Browse Forums Building A New House 1 Aug 12, 2015 11:41 pm Hi All, We are planning to do knock down and rebuild. There is a council's storm water drainage easement on our property. Our builder is thinking of tapping into the drainage easement. Its tender states: "owner to organise to confirm pipeline is located within the easement, its size, depth and that it is functional. Plumbers Certificate to state "Pipeline of XXX diameter has been located per attached sketch at a depth of XXX and tested to its downstream outlet, and is functional with sufficient capacity to cater for its intended catchment as per AS3500" 1) Will above required information normally available at the council, such as council has the diagram/report etc has these info? 2) Will it be normally available at the Land and Property Information Office? 3) Or we need to hire a plumber or surveyor to obtain above required information? Any advice or feedback are warmly welcome. Thanks very much for your help. Re: Stormwater to the council drainage easement 2Aug 13, 2015 5:51 am Okay I'm not a pro but from what I've picked up along the way... If it is the council's easement try them and also get a water pipes diagram... Obviously that's not the proper name... We got one from our local Reece store for Sydney Water. Then hopefully you should have able to confirm whether there are actually any pipes in there. I have been told not always! M Y C U S T O M C O R A L B R O N T E 43 ...............Kitchen! 16 Nov 2016 https://forum.homeone.com.au/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=79581 Stormwater to the council drainage easement 3Aug 13, 2015 7:32 am Drainage easements are normally owned by council. When you apply for council's 149 certificate, the info on the drainage easement should be mentioned and indicated in the certificate. You may also find the width of this easement and other easements as indicated on the Deposited Plan of your property at LPI but I guarantee that you will not find levels/depth of the easements on the plan. Schedule 2 of your property title will also show any dealing and/or easement affecting your property. Sydney Water's Sewer Service diagram (SSD) for your property is available at your nearest quick check agent. All these plans should tell you of any easements burdening your property. NOTE: A copy of your property's SSD, Title and DP should be in the documents you received back when you settled your property. Re: Stormwater to the council drainage easement 4Aug 13, 2015 7:47 am Thanks very much MrsJM, (please correct me if I am wrong)I think the pipe should be in the drainage easement, as when it rains, I can see the water goes through the drainage easement. So it is more about trying to find out more details about the drainage easement pipeline such as its diameter and location under the ground etc. I had tried to ring the council engineer and left messages a few days ago, but they still have not come back to me. I will ring them again later today to follow up. I also tried dial before you dig, Sydney water's computer system sent me a diagram. It only shows sewer location, but for some reason, it does not show any stormwater pipe lines or the drainage easement on my property in the diagram. A dumb question: why does the builder require those information about the pipeline? My guess is so that the builder knows where and how much to dig while designing the stormwater system to tap into the drainage easement pipeline, am I right??? Thanks very much Re: Stormwater to the council drainage easement 5Aug 13, 2015 9:00 am Ask the Builder to give you a PA (provisional allowance) to include all this work in your contract and get them to explain to you how they estimated the PA. If you think you can follow their steps and get the work done yourself then get it deleted in your contract before signing it. Re: Stormwater to the council drainage easement 6Aug 13, 2015 9:10 am KKPP .... I also tried dial before you dig, Sydney water's computer system sent me a diagram. It only shows sewer location, but for some reason, it does not show any stormwater pipe lines or the drainage easement on my property in the diagram. A dumb question: why does the builder require those information about the pipeline? My guess is so that the builder knows where and how much to dig while designing the stormwater system to tap into the drainage easement pipeline, am I right??? Thanks very much Hi, Sydney Water(SW) DBYD will only show you SW's assets and not drainage easements. You are correct that the pipe is within the easement, as the pipe is meant to protect that pipe/asset. Council will not approve your proposed plan if the it doesnt show adequate protection of this pipe, which is the same with SW. With SW assets within private properties intending to build, owners' first step is to go to Quick Check agent to direct owner to the correct process and requirements to proceed with building approval. Speak with council and ask them about that clause and they should be able to pount you to the right direction on how to arrange this. Re: Stormwater to the council drainage easement 7Aug 13, 2015 11:23 am Thanks very much CalvinHobbes, I checked with my local council, and so far they are not willing to give me any paper work such as diagram or report etc (saying for some legal reasons, they can not give us these information) apart from when I really tried hard to get more information, the drainage engineer at the council told me verbally the diameter of pipeline is 0.6 meter and it is located at the depth of 0.5 meter, I even tried to email them to confirm what they told me so that I can get these info in writing, but so far they refuse to confirm by email. I found it is really frustrating dealing with the council, and do no know which button to push?? (as I have never dealt with them before apart from faithfully paying my council rates each year) I am also confused whether it is within council's rights to hold these information about the drainage easement on my property from the property owner? Or we as the owner of the property has the right to obtain these information from the council (such as under the freedom of information etc)?? Many thanks Re: Stormwater to the council drainage easement 8Aug 13, 2015 12:15 pm This will be uncovered normally via a development application on your property. No council will give information over the phone and you will need to prove that you are authorised to access this info. Which builder are going with? The drainage will definitely be considered in your hydraulic design. Re: Stormwater to the council drainage easement 9Aug 13, 2015 8:08 pm Thanks CalvinHobbes, we are going with Metricon. I actually ended up went to see the council's engineer, and he actually did draw a rough sketch on a piece of paper with those information required, but when my storm water engineer emailed him later to confirm the information on the sketch paper, he refused to confirm in writing and backed out and instead replied with the following in writing: "I would like to confirm that all the drainage information has been created for the purpose of showing basic locality information. Property boundary line network data is supplied by State Government. Any error should be reported to the GIS Section. Council accepts no responsibility for any errors or omissions. Any feedback on omissions or errors would be appreciated. The applicant shall do his own investigation to obtain the accurate information." Very frustrating, not sure what else can I do? Re: Stormwater to the council drainage easement 10Aug 13, 2015 8:47 pm Just curious, can you PM me the property address? You should be able to encase the sewer but you will need it designed and approved and access to lot 580 to do the work 2 17168 You might be able to apply to divert the sewer at your expense. In NSW you would contact a Water services co-ordinator and they would give you advice as to whether or not… 1 16150 Thanks - yea sounds like I need to submit build over easement application....ugh guess I better start finding someone who can do the engineering drawings 3 3387 |