Browse Forums Building A New House Re: Building with Metricon 7750Aug 30, 2018 5:26 pm Our Bayside KDR Thread: viewtopic.php?f=31&t=78298 Re: Building with Metricon 7753Aug 31, 2018 7:23 am Wild Do we get to choose which slab we require as part of build or its pretty stock standard ? What about frame, do we have to nominate steel or wood frame or M does that for us. You can ask for a Raft slab during the tender process, if your block is sloping or your doing a split level home they may even suggest it. Do expect to pay for the privilege though, my experiences with M are that they will do nearly anything you want providing you are willing to put your hands in your pocket for it (and pay the 25% builders margin). Fact is most volume builders will want to do waffle as its quicker, cheaper etc, also in most cases raft isn't needed. Unless there is a specific engineering issue that requires one, it may not be worth the hassle M will do Steel Frames as well, in fact we did get asked if we wanted a quote on them during our tender process, however we never bothered (as personally I'm not a fan of steel), but as is usual with M expect a shock when you get the price, going outside of the spec does drastically increase costs. Oh and another thing, if you can (not that you probably can do this) demand that your plans and estimate are done by a senior draftsman and estimator. We are still rectifying issues now (well our SM is) from stuff ups some junior estimator/drafter made, there doesn't seem to be much oversight between them and when a junior does work it doesn't get checked off by a senior. Re: Building with Metricon 7754Aug 31, 2018 8:49 am zooch84 Wild Do we get to choose which slab we require as part of build or its pretty stock standard ? What about frame, do we have to nominate steel or wood frame or M does that for us. You can ask for a Raft slab during the tender process, if your block is sloping or your doing a split level home they may even suggest it. Do expect to pay for the privilege though, my experiences with M are that they will do nearly anything you want providing you are willing to put your hands in your pocket for it (and pay the 25% builders margin). Fact is most volume builders will want to do waffle as its quicker, cheaper etc, also in most cases raft isn't needed. Unless there is a specific engineering issue that requires one, it may not be worth the hassle M will do Steel Frames as well, in fact we did get asked if we wanted a quote on them during our tender process, however we never bothered (as personally I'm not a fan of steel), but as is usual with M expect a shock when you get the price, going outside of the spec does drastically increase costs. Oh and another thing, if you can (not that you probably can do this) demand that your plans and estimate are done by a senior draftsman and estimator. We are still rectifying issues now (well our SM is) from stuff ups some junior estimator/drafter made, there doesn't seem to be much oversight between them and when a junior does work it doesn't get checked off by a senior. Thanks for the reaponse, I will ask for senior draftsman and estimator but unsure if they will listen lol. Re: Building with Metricon 7755Aug 31, 2018 10:32 am madj-m bec w madj-m I suspect M will provide outrageous estimates for a footing system other than a waffle slab to put clients off. I've requested a stiffened raft slab (yet to have signed building contracts) and when i showed my builder mate the estimate he started laughing and says its at least 15% more than what it should be. Oh yes, I'm sure he got a good laugh out of it! It doesn't surprise me that it's overly inflated. Anything on top of standard is going to cost you a bucket load - hence why their base price tends to be under $10k a square. On their website, where they mention they can do it, they also mention the possibility of it being costly. Its all relative. If you want quality you need to pay. At the end of the day, a private builder will charge over 20% more than M for the same spec house. I know, i've been down this road. I absolutely agree, you need to pay for quality. My Dad is a retired builder, so I know all about that. But I don't agree that a private builder will charge over 20% more than M for the same spec house. The quotes I've sought, building on stumps with premium inclusions above what Designer spec M houses offer. Put M at over $3,500 more per square than a private local builder, with a great reputation for quality in my area. The extra fee for stumps is what makes it better for me to go with a local builder now. Re: Building with Metricon 7756Aug 31, 2018 10:38 am bec w madj-m bec w Oh yes, I'm sure he got a good laugh out of it! It doesn't surprise me that it's overly inflated. Anything on top of standard is going to cost you a bucket load - hence why their base price tends to be under $10k a square. On their website, where they mention they can do it, they also mention the possibility of it being costly. Its all relative. If you want quality you need to pay. At the end of the day, a private builder will charge over 20% more than M for the same spec house. I know, i've been down this road. I absolutely agree, you need to pay for quality. My Dad is a retired builder, so I know all about that. But I don't agree that a private builder will charge over 20% more than M for the same spec house. The quotes I've sought, building on stumps with premium inclusions above what Designer spec M houses offer. Put M at over $3,500 more per square than a private local builder, with a great reputation for quality in my area. The extra fee for stumps is what makes it better for me to go with a local builder now. It's more the fact that such a thing is going very out of spec for volume builders. They work on churning out inherently the same designs over and over again, if you go along with things outside of the spec they tend to freak out and/or what to charge you fro the privilege , it's really a way of saying, no we don't want the job go away. It is true that in general however private builders are more expensive, usually anywhere from 1.5 to 2x per sqm the cost. If you can find a builder for less thats great, but it generally isn't the case. But seeing as the market is very competitive maybe some are reducing the rates to get the business Re: Building with Metricon 7757Sep 01, 2018 2:42 pm Hi Guys, Bit upset today, got below email from Metricon after a Month of post initial deposit submission. Please be advised that after your job going through compliance the Mantra 29 will not work on your block. This is due to the soil & survey reports showing higher fall levels from side to side and will require retaining walls on both sides of the block. Therefore, we would need to go with a home design suitable for a 14m block instead. Could we please arrange a time to get together and discuss some other designs which may suit? The Maximum width we can go on the home is 1300mm wide allowing for retaining walls either side. Regards, I always wanted to build floor a plan with 16M frontage and that was the whole point of buying this block of land, fall across the block is 1900MM with 650 average cut or fill across the whole block. I am totally unsure what to do here, M took a month to find this out : ( does it mean that none of the builder can build wider then1300MM on this block at all ? Can anyone please help ? Re: Building with Metricon 7758Sep 01, 2018 8:30 pm Just go find another builder. What's the big deal?? Wild Hi Guys, Bit upset today, got below email from Metricon after a Month of post initial deposit submission. Please be advised that after your job going through compliance the Mantra 29 will not work on your block. This is due to the soil & survey reports showing higher fall levels from side to side and will require retaining walls on both sides of the block. Therefore, we would need to go with a home design suitable for a 14m block instead. Could we please arrange a time to get together and discuss some other designs which may suit? The Maximum width we can go on the home is 1300mm wide allowing for retaining walls either side. Regards, I always wanted to build floor a plan with 16M frontage and that was the whole point of buying this block of land, fall across the block is 1900MM with 650 average cut or fill across the whole block. I am totally unsure what to do here, M took a month to find this out : ( does it mean that none of the builder can build wider then1300MM on this block at all ? Can anyone please help ? Re: Building with Metricon 7759Sep 01, 2018 8:42 pm sweetswisssteel Just go find another builder. What's the big deal?? Wild Hi Guys, Bit upset today, got below email from Metricon after a Month of post initial deposit submission. Please be advised that after your job going through compliance the Mantra 29 will not work on your block. This is due to the soil & survey reports showing higher fall levels from side to side and will require retaining walls on both sides of the block. Therefore, we would need to go with a home design suitable for a 14m block instead. Could we please arrange a time to get together and discuss some other designs which may suit? The Maximum width we can go on the home is 1300mm wide allowing for retaining walls either side. Regards, I always wanted to build floor a plan with 16M frontage and that was the whole point of buying this block of land, fall across the block is 1900MM with 650 average cut or fill across the whole block. I am totally unsure what to do here, M took a month to find this out : ( does it mean that none of the builder can build wider then1300MM on this block at all ? Can anyone please help ? It’s a big deal because you invest so much time selecting a house and going through the entire process. Only to be told later you can’t have it. It isn’t always easy to go and find another plan that suits your family and budget. It would be very frustrating and upsetting. Re: Building with Metricon 7760Sep 01, 2018 8:44 pm shokel1975 sweetswisssteel Just go find another builder. What's the big deal?? Wild Hi Guys, Bit upset today, got below email from Metricon after a Month of post initial deposit submission. Please be advised that after your job going through compliance the Mantra 29 will not work on your block. This is due to the soil & survey reports showing higher fall levels from side to side and will require retaining walls on both sides of the block. Therefore, we would need to go with a home design suitable for a 14m block instead. Could we please arrange a time to get together and discuss some other designs which may suit? The Maximum width we can go on the home is 1300mm wide allowing for retaining walls either side. Regards, I always wanted to build floor a plan with 16M frontage and that was the whole point of buying this block of land, fall across the block is 1900MM with 650 average cut or fill across the whole block. I am totally unsure what to do here, M took a month to find this out : ( does it mean that none of the builder can build wider then1300MM on this block at all ? Can anyone please help ? It’s a big deal because you invest so much time selecting a house and going through the entire process. Only to be told later you can’t have it. It isn’t always easy to go and find another plan that suits your family and budget. It would be very frustrating and upsetting. Don’t lose faith Wild, have your meeting with them and weigh up your options after that. Good luck! Hi, First of all, thank you to this community for sharing your thoughts and opinions. We are in early days of our pre-contract stage for Metricon Doulton and we are… 0 10749 Hello All 🙂 We are planning to start our journey of construction our first home. 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