Browse Forums Building A New House Re: Building with Metricon 7181May 17, 2018 9:45 pm Thanks I did email the accounts dept saying that was work still to be finished and they called our SS and he said it is complete and if we want to call him to discuss then we could do so but we have asked already about these issues 🤦♀️ Re: Building with Metricon 7182May 17, 2018 10:00 pm ![]() ![]() Got assessed as class p slab. Does anyone know what means to the slab and how much more it will cost? Hi Sandymeo, You will need to specify why your site has been classified as Class P, before we can assist. Class P, means problem site and this covers multiple aspects i.e. Trees, knock down/rebuild, uncontrolled/non structural fill, old dams the list goes on. Each will entail a different design, for example, if you have a mature tree front right of your property and clay soils the site will be classified as Class P and the engineer will most likely just include a few extra piers to deal with the situation. However if you have 4metres of uncontrolled/non structural fill across your site then the engineer will design piers 5metres+ deep across the site. You can see the difference in costs. Your borehole report/site classification report/bore survey many names for it this day, will/should give the reason for the Class P, and therefore you need to obtain a copy and understand the reason, if it does not make sense then do not be afraid to p. Pick up the phone and call the geotechnical consultant. They should be more then happy to explain the reasoning behind the Class P. From there if the builder doesn't give you a reasonable reply as to why one cost is associated to the other, seek a third party opinion. Regards Geo1 I agree ours was P because of trees out the front. As well as we needed 60 piers as next door neighbours build on the fence line. Therefor when we moved it across it was close to the other side we were close to neighbours easement. As well as I think our soil was more like clay. Good thing they found rock after we fixed site cost. As soil test never detected it. viewtopic.php?t=86597 Re: Building with Metricon 7183May 17, 2018 10:16 pm Doulton777 I assume you are in NSW. In QLD you may have had a few extra piers out the front to deal with the tree. Unless you had a large builders site cut/fill in which case all builders will pier their own fill as its never certified as "structural fill. For trees, we work off MATURE height and site class i.e. Class M - 0.5 times mature height Class H1 - 0.75 times mature height (I still work off 1.0 x Height) Class H2 - 1.0 times mature height Class E - 1.5 times mature height Where this circle intercepts your dwelling, you will require piers. Still does not deal with the fact when the tree gets removed and/or dies. i.e. When clays gain moisture as in "wet up" like a sponge they expand When clays dry out they shrink/settle. The idea about existing trees is they will dry the soils within their range (noted above) and cause settlement/shrinkage hence the requirement for piers. Fact is when the tree is 10-25 years old, its safe to assume that the soils around it are already "drier" then "normal" and then only thing that can effect your slab is when the tree is removed or dies and therefore the ground around it "wets" back up to "normal". This is generally why good geotechnical engineers refer to Appendix H and Appendix Ch and not only will you require piers but you will require an upgraded (I always say downgraded as its costs more money) slab. Because when the ground "wets" up back to normal the structural stiffness of your slab governs the degree of resistance. i.e. Class M soils with trees when try will actually perform like Class H1 soils when wetting up. Really not rocket science when you think about it. Regards Geo1 Re: Building with Metricon 7184May 17, 2018 10:26 pm ![]() Doulton777 I assume you are in NSW. In QLD you may have had a few extra piers out the front to deal with the tree. Unless you had a large builders site cut/fill in which case all builders will pier their own fill as its never certified as "structural fill. For trees, we work off MATURE height and site class i.e. Class M - 0.5 times mature height Class H1 - 0.75 times mature height (I still work off 1.0 x Height) Class H2 - 1.0 times mature height Class E - 1.5 times mature height Where this circle intercepts your dwelling, you will require piers. Still does not deal with the fact when the tree gets removed and/or dies. i.e. When clays gain moisture as in "wet up" like a sponge they expand When clays dry out they shrink/settle. The idea about existing trees is they will dry the soils within their range (noted above) and cause settlement/shrinkage hence the requirement for piers. Fact is when the tree is 10-25 years old, its safe to assume that the soils around it are already "drier" then "normal" and then only thing that can effect your slab is when the tree is removed or dies and therefore the ground around it "wets" back up to "normal". This is generally why good geotechnical engineers refer to Appendix H and Appendix Ch and not only will you require piers but you will require an upgraded (I always say downgraded as its costs more money) slab. Because when the ground "wets" up back to normal the structural stiffness of your slab governs the degree of resistance. i.e. Class M soils with trees when try will actually perform like Class H1 soils when wetting up. Really not rocket science when you think about it. Regards Geo1 I’m in Victoria. I didn’t go to deeply into it. But at least it’s quiet stable and my private inspector said our house won’t be moving anywhere with the piers Metricon put into it. But thanks for the advice. I should have came on here soon as I got my site cost. viewtopic.php?t=86597 Re: Building with Metricon 7185May 17, 2018 11:11 pm ![]() Metricon would have to be one of the biggest bullies around. It does not matter what the contract states or what the Government legislation states, it is always do as they say or they will stop the build. In Victoria the State Legislation prevents them taking possession of the land or to deny anyone access. Even the High Court of Australia has said they can't do it. But does not stop them. The same old stuff. They just say that they will stop all work and delay your home for months if you try to defy them. Worse still they threaten to pull any insurance cover on the house. As an individual it is very difficult to get your own insurance to cover a half built house. So then you have to do what they want or risk your investment in the house. So if you have a contract with them, you might as well throw it in the bin as they will not abide by it. Expect to deal with continual threats if you ever question their right to do something. I have never known any company to treat their customers with outright contempt like Metricon does. They are great are making up excuses, use others as their escape goat, play the dumb card and if you don't pick it up they pretend it never happened. Re: Building with Metricon 7186May 17, 2018 11:17 pm ![]() Thanks I did email the accounts dept saying that was work still to be finished and they called our SS and he said it is complete and if we want to call him to discuss then we could do so but we have asked already about these issues 🤦♀️ A good excuse that they do is if you won't want to pay, they say that the tradies got held up at another job. It's there way of indirectly stopping your build without saying that they are. Happened to us a few times when we questioned the invoice. Re: Building with Metricon 7187May 18, 2018 7:19 am ![]() Doulton777 I assume you are in NSW. In QLD you may have had a few extra piers out the front to deal with the tree. Unless you had a large builders site cut/fill in which case all builders will pier their own fill as its never certified as "structural fill. For trees, we work off MATURE height and site class i.e. Class M - 0.5 times mature height Class H1 - 0.75 times mature height (I still work off 1.0 x Height) Class H2 - 1.0 times mature height Class E - 1.5 times mature height Where this circle intercepts your dwelling, you will require piers. Still does not deal with the fact when the tree gets removed and/or dies. i.e. When clays gain moisture as in "wet up" like a sponge they expand When clays dry out they shrink/settle. The idea about existing trees is they will dry the soils within their range (noted above) and cause settlement/shrinkage hence the requirement for piers. Fact is when the tree is 10-25 years old, its safe to assume that the soils around it are already "drier" then "normal" and then only thing that can effect your slab is when the tree is removed or dies and therefore the ground around it "wets" back up to "normal". This is generally why good geotechnical engineers refer to Appendix H and Appendix Ch and not only will you require piers but you will require an upgraded (I always say downgraded as its costs more money) slab. Because when the ground "wets" up back to normal the structural stiffness of your slab governs the degree of resistance. i.e. Class M soils with trees when try will actually perform like Class H1 soils when wetting up. Really not rocket science when you think about it. Regards Geo1 Hi site has been classed as P as a tree on neighbours house has been removed a couple of years ago. So abnormal moisture conditions due to trees being removed. However founding recommendations states class H2 for purpose of Yt. I dont know what this means. We also have easement running along rear and side boundary. We are building 2.3m away from side boundary and 8 m from rear boundary that has easement. Re: Building with Metricon 7188May 18, 2018 7:54 am Hi all, We just received a site start / completion date from M, 17/05 - 21-01-19. How much do I trust these dates? as I am up the lease and would like to know should I be asking for a 6 month extension or a years worth? my lease expires on the 29-08-2018. thanks! Re: Building with Metricon 7189May 18, 2018 12:52 pm ![]() ![]() Thanks I did email the accounts dept saying that was work still to be finished and they called our SS and he said it is complete and if we want to call him to discuss then we could do so but we have asked already about these issues 🤦♀️ A good excuse that they do is if you won't want to pay, they say that the tradies got held up at another job. It's there way of indirectly stopping your build without saying that they are. Happened to us a few times when we questioned the invoice. Wow! So did you pay them? Re: Building with Metricon 7190May 19, 2018 8:35 am ![]() ![]() ![]() Thanks I did email the accounts dept saying that was work still to be finished and they called our SS and he said it is complete and if we want to call him to discuss then we could do so but we have asked already about these issues 🤦♀️ A good excuse that they do is if you won't want to pay, they say that the tradies got held up at another job. It's there way of indirectly stopping your build without saying that they are. Happened to us a few times when we questioned the invoice. Wow! So did you pay them? Re: Building with Metricon 7191May 19, 2018 9:26 am What are people’s thoughts on a fridge sticking out 200mm which includes the doors. Will this be ok or too much Re: Building with Metricon 7192May 19, 2018 9:43 am ![]() What are people’s thoughts on a fridge sticking out 200mm which includes the doors. Will this be ok or too much My limit is the thickness off the door so the door hinge should be flushed to the wall, otherwise it sticks out too much and could be a tripping hazard. Re: Building with Metricon 7193May 19, 2018 10:16 am I would be ok with 100, that's what we have here... 100 m means if it's a flush for for width, the doors will still open all the way 200 is pretty far out though Our Bayside KDR Thread: viewtopic.php?f=31&t=78298 Re: Building with Metricon 7194May 19, 2018 10:17 am Hi mine was 9th may 18 and completion is 30th March 2019....what r u building ? Im building the glendale 50. ![]() Hi all, We just received a site start / completion date from M, 17/05 - 21-01-19. How much do I trust these dates? as I am up the lease and would like to know should I be asking for a 6 month extension or a years worth? my lease expires on the 29-08-2018. thanks! Re: Building with Metricon 7195May 19, 2018 10:24 am ![]() Hi mine was 9th may 18 and completion is 30th March 2019....what r u building ? Im building the glendale 50. ![]() Hi all, We just received a site start / completion date from M, 17/05 - 21-01-19. How much do I trust these dates? as I am up the lease and would like to know should I be asking for a 6 month extension or a years worth? my lease expires on the 29-08-2018. thanks! We should have had the handover in Feb but I rejected it due to unsatisfactory work and poor quality work that I picked up. Re: Building with Metricon 7196May 19, 2018 10:35 am ![]() ![]() ![]() Got assessed as class p slab. Does anyone know what means to the slab and how much more it will cost? Hi Sandymeo, You will need to specify why your site has been classified as Class P, before we can assist. Class P, means problem site and this covers multiple aspects i.e. Trees, knock down/rebuild, uncontrolled/non structural fill, old dams the list goes on. Each will entail a different design, for example, if you have a mature tree front right of your property and clay soils the site will be classified as Class P and the engineer will most likely just include a few extra piers to deal with the situation. However if you have 4metres of uncontrolled/non structural fill across your site then the engineer will design piers 5metres+ deep across the site. You can see the difference in costs. Your borehole report/site classification report/bore survey many names for it this day, will/should give the reason for the Class P, and therefore you need to obtain a copy and understand the reason, if it does not make sense then do not be afraid to p. Pick up the phone and call the geotechnical consultant. They should be more then happy to explain the reasoning behind the Class P. From there if the builder doesn't give you a reasonable reply as to why one cost is associated to the other, seek a third party opinion. Regards Geo1 I agree ours was P because of trees out the front. As well as we needed 60 piers as next door neighbours build on the fence line. Therefor when we moved it across it was close to the other side we were close to neighbours easement. As well as I think our soil was more like clay. Good thing they found rock after we fixed site cost. As soil test never detected it. viewtopic.php?t=86597 Re: Building with Metricon 7197May 19, 2018 10:39 am ![]() ![]() ![]() Fireplace installation height assistance needed ASAP. We are installing a built in 1300mm wide fire place. Just wanted to know from those that have a fire place, what height off the ground did you install them and if you had to do it again would you change the height? Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Have you looked at the display homes and measured where their units sit? I am going out to the Glendale 42 at Rockbank today renman.... want me to measure the fireplace there for you? Re: Building with Metricon 7198May 19, 2018 10:54 am ![]() ![]() ![]() [quote="sandymeo"]Got assessed as class p slab. Does anyone know what means to the slab and how much more it will cost? Hi Sandymeo, You will need to specify why your site has been classified as Class P, before we can assist. Class P, means problem site and this covers multiple aspects i.e. Trees, knock down/rebuild, uncontrolled/non structural fill, old dams the list goes on. Each will entail a different design, for example, if you have a mature tree front right of your property and clay soils the site will be classified as Class P and the engineer will most likely just include a few extra piers to deal with the situation. However if you have 4metres of uncontrolled/non structural fill across your site then the engineer will design piers 5metres+ deep across the site. You can see the difference in costs. Your borehole report/site classification report/bore survey many names for it this day, will/should give the reason for the Class P, and therefore you need to obtain a copy and understand the reason, if it does not make sense then do not be afraid to p. Pick up the phone and call the geotechnical consultant. They should be more then happy to explain the reasoning behind the Class P. From there if the builder doesn't give you a reasonable reply as to why one cost is associated to the other, seek a third party opinion. Regards Geo1 I agree ours was P because of trees out the front. As well as we needed 60 piers as next door neighbours build on the fence line. Therefor when we moved it across it was close to the other side we were close to neighbours easement. As well as I think our soil was more like clay. Good thing they found rock after we fixed site cost. As soil test never detected it. viewtopic.php?t=86597 [/quote]You should be able to count them or even better that a drone pic of the piers when they are put in. Re: Building with Metricon 7199May 19, 2018 10:56 am ![]() ![]() ![]() [quote="Renman"]Fireplace installation height assistance needed ASAP. We are installing a built in 1300mm wide fire place. Just wanted to know from those that have a fire place, what height off the ground did you install them and if you had to do it again would you change the height? Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Have you looked at the display homes and measured where their units sit? I am going out to the Glendale 42 at Rockbank today renman.... want me to measure the fireplace there for you?[/quote]That would be great if you can. Just from the ground of the start of the glass panel and if have any pics that shows a sofa in the pic that fantastic as it will give us some perspective Re: Building with Metricon 7200May 19, 2018 11:14 am ![]() ![]() ![]() [quote="sandymeo"]Got assessed as class p slab. Does anyone know what means to the slab and how much more it will cost? Hi Sandymeo, You will need to specify why your site has been classified as Class P, before we can assist. Class P, means problem site and this covers multiple aspects i.e. Trees, knock down/rebuild, uncontrolled/non structural fill, old dams the list goes on. Each will entail a different design, for example, if you have a mature tree front right of your property and clay soils the site will be classified as Class P and the engineer will most likely just include a few extra piers to deal with the situation. However if you have 4metres of uncontrolled/non structural fill across your site then the engineer will design piers 5metres+ deep across the site. You can see the difference in costs. Your borehole report/site classification report/bore survey many names for it this day, will/should give the reason for the Class P, and therefore you need to obtain a copy and understand the reason, if it does not make sense then do not be afraid to p. Pick up the phone and call the geotechnical consultant. They should be more then happy to explain the reasoning behind the Class P. From there if the builder doesn't give you a reasonable reply as to why one cost is associated to the other, seek a third party opinion. Regards Geo1 I agree ours was P because of trees out the front. As well as we needed 60 piers as next door neighbours build on the fence line. Therefor when we moved it across it was close to the other side we were close to neighbours easement. As well as I think our soil was more like clay. Good thing they found rock after we fixed site cost. As soil test never detected it. viewtopic.php?t=86597 [/quote]Each pier will have a blue cap on it that you can see before they prep for the pour.. They will always use the number advised by engineering as they can't warranty the slab otherwise 80 is a LOT! we had 28 and they were close together!!! Our Bayside KDR Thread: viewtopic.php?f=31&t=78298 retail its around double the price of a similar sized actron/dakin system from memory, They are excellent systems though. But with how builder gouge on AC/heating, you… 4 36314 😃 will do an exclusive one for Simeon.. COVID back at home.. kept it simple & we moved in.. & yesterday was the first day at our new home.. Few more bits to go -… 4 44641 |