Browse Forums Building A New House 1 Apr 14, 2015 10:17 am Here's the bulkhead in question. It's in line at the ceiling, but over the 200 or so mil to the bottom, its out by 10mm. It should be flush with the corner of the wall. It's clearly a visible defect.
Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ There is no way that can be acceptable? It looks horrendous! I'll push it regardless as this is just another issue at the moment. Just want to hear your opinions. Cheers all. Tony. Re: Bulkhead not plumb. Builder claims it's fine. Thoughts? 2Apr 14, 2015 10:34 am I think this would annoy any sane person. It is just horrible. Our home frontage is 25000mm+ and we have a tolerance of 1-2mm off square. Working closely with chippy's for a few years like I did, this is very, very common in the industry with trades just not caring or being forced to just finish by their boss. If you have the plans, pull them out as ammo and keep on them.. Re: Bulkhead not plumb. Builder claims it's fine. Thoughts? 3Apr 14, 2015 11:19 am Ouch! That would drive me insane! My hubby and I are both sticklers for parallels and something like that would literally keep me awake at night. Unless it can be disguised with a cornice it would have to go! Yanchep build with Dreamstart Homes ____________________________________________________________ Our build thread - viewtopic.php?f=31&t=73323 Re: Bulkhead not plumb. Builder claims it's fine. Thoughts? 4Apr 14, 2015 11:25 am I'm unable to rest I kid you not! Just knowing someone is trying to tell you a sloping wall (which is effectively what it is) is acceptable is making my blood boil! If you have to threaten to get a building inspector in to check ALL THE OTHER WALKS ARE SQUARE they should fix it quick smart. Don't pay a cent until it's fixed! Yanchep build with Dreamstart Homes ____________________________________________________________ Our build thread - viewtopic.php?f=31&t=73323 Re: Bulkhead not plumb. Builder claims it's fine. Thoughts? 6Apr 15, 2015 9:00 am that would not meet the guide to standards and tolerances. have a look in there and ping the builder on it. Its not fine. Creator of superduperonium, expert at expert things, nobel laureate, can hold my breath for 10 minutes. Re: Bulkhead not plumb. Builder claims it's fine. Thoughts? 7Apr 15, 2015 7:24 pm I had a look through the standards and tolerances guide but couldn't apply what was written to this situation. It probably comes down to my inexperience though! Most plaster or framing related topics were concerning whole walls. I'm sure it's in there if you know what you're looking for. Cheers all. Re: Bulkhead not plumb. Builder claims it's fine. Thoughts? 8Apr 15, 2015 11:28 pm tony_m I had a look through the standards and tolerances guide but couldn't apply what was written to this situation. It probably comes down to my inexperience though! Most plaster or framing related topics were concerning whole walls. I'm sure it's in there if you know what you're looking for. Cheers all. You didn't look hard enough... 9.10 Verticality or plumbness of internal and external wall surfaces Wall surfaces are defective if they deviate from vertical by more than 4 mm within any 2 m height. That's out by more than twice the tolerance in 10% of the stated measure. thus defect. The wall doesn't need to be 2m for the tolerance to apply. If the wall was 1m, then a tolerance of 2mm would apply and so fourth. Re: Bulkhead not plumb. Builder claims it's fine. Thoughts? 9Apr 16, 2015 4:29 am I'm running off the QBCC guide. Yours is slightly different and worded better, perhaps. This is the closest I can find, in the framing section: "Posts and wall frames are defective if they deviate from vertical by more than 4 mm within any 2 m height". Which I thought would apply, but wasn't 100% sure. Thanks for checking it up. Edit - Source: QBCC Standards and Tolerances 4.02 Verticality or plumbness of timber frames and exposed posts. Posts and wall frames are defective if they deviate from vertical by more than 4 mm within any 2 m height. 4.03 Straightness of timber frame surfaces. Frames are defective if they deviate from plane (horizontal or vertical bow) by more than 4 mm in any 2 m length of wall. Frames that will be subject to the subsequent fixing of plasterboard must be such that when a 1.8m straightedge is placed over the wall frame the maximum deviation from the straightedge must not exceed 4mm over 90% of the area and not exceed 5mm over the remaining area. Frames that exceed these tolerances are defective." Re: Bulkhead not plumb. Builder claims it's fine. Thoughts? 10Apr 16, 2015 10:39 am Hey tony_m, I assume you're in Queensland if you're using the QBCC guide. I found this bit in that guide: 9.09 Verticality or plumbness of internal and external wall surfaces Wall surfaces are defective if they deviate from vertical by more than 4 mm within any 2 m height. And also this bit in the intro: 0.03 Measurement of tolerances The tolerances in this Guide apply up to and including the length over which each tolerance is stated to apply. It is not intended that tolerances will be interpolated or proportioned to the actual length of building element measured. For example, where the Guide specifies a 4 mm maximum deviation measured over a 2 m length of wall surface, the Guide means that the same 4 mm deviation is to be applied over a 1 m wall surface or a 500 mm wall surface. The tolerance cannot be interpolated to mean a 2 mm deviation over a 1 m wall surface or 1 mm deviation over a 500 mm wall surface. Similarly, deviations over longer wall surfaces would be defects if the deviation exceeded 4 mm within any 2 m length of that surface. Therefore, based on your info this bulkhead is definitely NOT within standards. Jen (& Dave) Plantation Bronte, Ormeau Ridge, Gold Coast QLD 12/03/2015 - Commencement... 26/08/2015 - Handover! viewtopic.php?f=31&t=76446 Re: Bulkhead not plumb. Builder claims it's fine. Thoughts? 11Apr 18, 2015 8:33 am I was chasing up the SS almost daily, and he finally got over to the property on Friday. "Seems OK" He said. Apparently they have another property around the corner with an identical bulkhead!? I argued that there is no way that its plumb. He's "Going to have another look", which to me means it was not even measured. Also he is getting his boss's advice, second opinion. I can't understand how hard this is? He tried to explain that as the plaster is 10mm thick, this is why it sticks out 10mm. Couldn't explain then why it begins in the right place, but deviates out. If it wasn't so insulting it'd almost be funny. I mean they can fix it now, or fix it after PCI, their choice, but it's getting done. Re: Bulkhead not plumb. Builder claims it's fine. 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