Browse Forums Building A New House Re: What is a reasonable Builder's Margin? 42Jul 22, 2018 8:21 am Designer,Engineer (Civil,Const & Envir),Builder,Concrete & Masonry Contract.Struct Repairs Re: What is a reasonable Builder's Margin? 43Jul 24, 2018 7:03 am Foremost Building Expert in Australia,assisting with building problems/disputes, building stage inspections,pre-contract review advice for peace of mind 200 blogs http://www.buildingexpert.net.au/blog Re: What is a reasonable Builder's Margin? 48Oct 06, 2018 7:23 am Designer,Engineer (Civil,Const & Envir),Builder,Concrete & Masonry Contract.Struct Repairs Re: What is a reasonable Builder's Margin? 51Oct 06, 2018 10:42 am LOL Wheel him out of retirement mate, he 'd be earning more than a doctor/specialist Do the math any way you like but your figures don't add up Here what does a bricklayer earn in australia how may bricks does a bricklayer lay in an hour Designer,Engineer (Civil,Const & Envir),Builder,Concrete & Masonry Contract.Struct Repairs Re: What is a reasonable Builder's Margin? 54Oct 06, 2018 11:58 am DJVDH What figures? Are you high? Ha.. you are way too high salary wise Here Bricklayer Salary $1500/day= $390K/year Designer,Engineer (Civil,Const & Envir),Builder,Concrete & Masonry Contract.Struct Repairs Re: What is a reasonable Builder's Margin? 57Oct 06, 2018 4:29 pm alexp79 I would say 500 bricks a day is average. Generally, I would expect a single bricklayer to lay up to 2 cubic meters of bricks per day It depends on the brick sizes 2m3/day Verticore (216 bricks/m3) 2 x 216 brick day = 432 bricks Day hth Designer,Engineer (Civil,Const & Envir),Builder,Concrete & Masonry Contract.Struct Repairs Re: What is a reasonable Builder's Margin? 58Oct 06, 2018 7:58 pm A pack or a pallet a day is very reasonable work for a one man band brickie but possibly more if the walls are long straights. The lesser number of cuts make it far quicker. Obviously it changes with height as well. He's be almighty buggered by end of week though. Had a wonderful Yorkshireman brickie in Melbourne...hard honest stubborn man. He'd do 700-800 daily but deserved every penny as his back and hands were riddled with pain. Strangely enough the only other brickie I know who was as meticulous was Ethopian although slower..go figure ! I'd rather have fewer laid without bits to keep the mud workable longer. I peek at the back of the ute for the tell tale bottle and address it accordingly. Most doubles plus labourer will do max 1.5 pack each brickie to pay for the labourer. The important factor is labor cost per brick. Pay too little and you should expect delays when it's busy. Big jobs 1.20-1.25, resi jobs 1.40-1.60 for standards then add the extras like sills and cuts etc. The biggest ripoff must be the 'sandstone' specialists ..LOL Re: What is a reasonable Builder's Margin? 59Oct 09, 2018 12:54 pm Hello all, I work for a builder in Perth, I have worked previously for 2 of the biggest 3 builders in Perth, the house margin is confidential and can be whatever the builder sees fit to charge, but I can tell you in Perth that the figures quoted in this post are way higher than the actual margin, you would shake your head in disbelief when you weighed it up against the risk. In regards to variation margin the standard HIA contract for WA for under $500,000 which would be the most common contract used the builder has to stipulate the margin for variations (Clause 11 of the contract), I very much doubt the majority of the builders would stick to this (They would add a greater % than reflected in the contact) but with my current employer we stick to the contract margins stipulated, we did have the building commission audit us sometime ago and they asked about variation margin and we had to show evidence that we stuck by the contract, they looked rather surprised that we had so that tells you something. Re: What is a reasonable Builder's Margin? 60Jan 25, 2019 10:11 am As the Building expert stated, builder margin is confidential to the builder, although a margin will be disclosed in variations, for PC and PS items. Do not assume that the margin on those items is the same as the margin on the rest of job. As a client,if you decide on a variation then you should expect the variation quote to include a 20 to 25% margin, plus an upfront fee for the variation usually $250. Lets say you decided to change the a wall and its details, then within the overall cost you will be charged for quoting time costs as well. I hear someone say, $250 fee for just making or asking for a variation? Why, that's not fair, is it? The answer is yes it is, as the builder has to interrupt his whole schedule which includes all work outside your job, contract legal docs like variation, extension of time, contract need to be signed/updated, altered and filed. Home warranty insurance, builders insurance requires updating. This all adds up to more than you will ever know. The re scheduling of trades can be costly, eg lets say that your variation delayed works by 2 days, which put my bricklayer out of schedule where he would then lose 2 days waiting on variation works to be completed. If he has another job he can start, he has the right to do it so he is not losing money. If that job takes 2 weeks, then your job will be delayed 2 weeks. Your variation has now held up the bricklayer and all other trades and further delays can snowball. That 2 week stoppage on your job will cost the builder thousands of lost dollars, because you have just taken 2 weeks out of his financial year to earn income. For some of you here that may be hard to understand, read it a few time, let it sink in and think about it, and it should then make sense. if it doesn't then your IQ is too low for me to explain further. But that's not all folks. LIABILITY. The builder is totally responsible for everyone and every conceivable thing that can go wrong on a builders site. WHS laws hold the builder as responsible for all safety and accidents and the builder is guilty until he proves himself innocent. Court and money costs over years, along with stress normally destroy the builder before the court case ends, and even when the builder wins there is no compensation for him. I myself know two builders where this happened. Lawyers will tell any builder that the law is totally stacked against them. An then you have all the trades that you have to guide through the project. What if one of your subcontractors go broke halfway through the project?? Being a builder is one of the most difficult occupations. You tell me of any occupation whereby; you have to guarantee your work for 7 years which includes all your trades work, lose everything because of WHS laws, your client turns around and says he is not paying or he runs out of money, your client is foreclosed by his bank and he doesn't tell you and you have $100,000s owing to suppliers. The law can now also go back further than 6 year and hold you responsible. I could go on and on. One thing to note is subbies are said to be accountable now but that's a lot of bs. If my subby did some bad work and its discovered later the QBCC makes me the builder rectify it, then its up to me to chase the repairs or costs up with the subby, court costs alone stop me and no subby will turn around and pay. You cant even sue a doctor or specialist these days as the AMA lobbied and had the laws changed in their favour. What about handing over tens or hundreds of thousands for a brand new car, and your dealer rejects your warranty claim.....there is no law that fines the dealer or takes his licence away, like our QBCC does. Lets say you see your financial adviser and invest and lose because that dipshit told you to invest in a forest that burnt down......no law their to sue his arse. So how much do you think a builder should be charging with all this risk? How much do you think he should be making per year as gross salary alone? Lets say a plumber fixing leaking taps and hot water systems is grossing $120,000 per year salary, what would you think a builder should earn? How much net profit do you think a builders company should make? Seems good to me. I've been told $4-5k/sqm is reasonable in Perth. 2 11189 Hi Mofflepop, I would recommend finding a building designer to prepare plans, they should design to your specified budget. The benefit is you can tender the project out… 9 20432 |