Browse Forums Building A New House 1 Oct 02, 2014 10:15 pm Hi everyone. Has anyone else had the issue of plumbing being put in the wrong place? We inspected our house tonight and a new wall has been put up and it's been laid across what would have been the ensuite toilet outlet pipe ( 100mm pipe). Our ensuite toilet has no hole in the floor for plumbing and now I'm wondering what the outcome will be. Has anyone had this issue and how was it resolved? I don't want the integrity of the pad compromised by it be cut up, but I'm guessing this is what'll have to be done. Re: Plumbing in wrong place 2Oct 03, 2014 6:53 am can you post a photo? Foremost Building Expert in Australia,assisting with building problems/disputes, building stage inspections,pre-contract review advice for peace of mind 200 blogs http://www.buildingexpert.net.au/blog Re: Plumbing in wrong place 3Oct 03, 2014 7:52 am The waste pipe for our Loo was placed off centre. Not quite as out of place as under a wall! But I'm still not that happy with the end solution... Firstly, the pipe in the wrong spot: Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Toilet not centre: Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Toilet not square: Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ The annoying part is that I mentioned this to the SS as soon as the frames were up. He said he would look into it. I was thinking, they were going to provide me with a full width toilet that can hide innaccuracies like this - the ones where the cistern is connected to the pan. But nope, I get a wonky toilet. Guess what I'll be thinking every time I use it! Not sure how much of a stink to kick up about it... Re: Plumbing in wrong place 4Oct 03, 2014 8:19 am MadamImAdam The waste pipe for our Loo was placed off centre. Not quite as out of place as under a wall! But I'm still not that happy with the end solution... Guess what I'll be thinking every time I use it! Not sure how much of a stink to kick up about it... I bet that will give you the sh!ts !! When our slab was laid, we ended up with the main toilet pipe being slightly off centre, as well as one of the downpipes being located a hell of a long way out of place. The downpipe comes out of the ground over a metre out from the western wall, when on the plan the downpipe on the gutter is shown as being on the south wall. Owner Building at Jimboomba Woods in Logan City Qld. Blog : http://bandlnewhomebuild.blogspot.com H1 thread : viewtopic.php?f=38&t=68283 . Re: Plumbing in wrong place 6Oct 03, 2014 9:25 am What is on display is inaccurate set out and poor workmanship. Builder should have centred the pipe even if it meant chipping away edge of slab to do it and then provide you with engineering certificate and termite re treatment. Alternatively many builders now use "smart waste" + offset pipe that gives them several inches of tolerance, but you can't beat accurate set out. Foremost Building Expert in Australia,assisting with building problems/disputes, building stage inspections,pre-contract review advice for peace of mind 200 blogs http://www.buildingexpert.net.au/blog Re: Plumbing in wrong place 7Oct 03, 2014 9:27 am That is extremely annoying. Just shows how important pre-pour inspections are. I think you would do more damage digging up the slab than good. Re: Plumbing in wrong place 8Oct 03, 2014 9:38 am building-expert What is on display is inaccurate set out and poor workmanship. Builder should have centred the pipe even if it meant chipping away edge of slab to do it and then provide you with engineering certificate and termite re treatment. Alternatively many builders now use "smart waste" + offset pipe that gives them several inches of tolerance, but you can't beat accurate set out. Hi Expert I am familiar with an offset collar which i think gives you up to 40mm, which I think they may have used in this case. Are you saying there is another system that gives you a bit more? Re: Plumbing in wrong place 9Oct 03, 2014 11:40 am B STAR building-expert What is on display is inaccurate set out and poor workmanship. Builder should have centred the pipe even if it meant chipping away edge of slab to do it and then provide you with engineering certificate and termite re treatment. Alternatively many builders now use "smart waste" + offset pipe that gives them several inches of tolerance, but you can't beat accurate set out. Hi Expert I am familiar with an offset collar which i think gives you up to 40mm, which I think they may have used in this case. Are you saying there is another system that gives you a bit more? Yes here it is Foremost Building Expert in Australia,assisting with building problems/disputes, building stage inspections,pre-contract review advice for peace of mind 200 blogs http://www.buildingexpert.net.au/blog Re: Plumbing in wrong place 10Oct 03, 2014 11:47 am Get an independent building inspector ASAP so that there is a written report and then you need to address this with the builder in writing. An offset can be used but there should be no hacking into the slab as it will compromise its integrity. An offset will move it a small amount so this only works when the difference is not huge Re: Plumbing in wrong place 11Oct 03, 2014 12:45 pm I'll try and upload a pic. My toilet hole is about 400mm out. According to the brickies the plumber measured from the setback instead of side wall DUH! Brickies say the slab will have to be cut and pipe work modified but I'not happy about any pad cuts. I will seek more info regarding how this may affect the integrity of pad. Thanks for the feed back. Re: Plumbing in wrong place 12Oct 03, 2014 4:06 pm happyhouse Hi everyone. Has anyone else had the issue of plumbing being put in the wrong place? We inspected our house tonight and a new wall has been put up and it's been laid across what would have been the ensuite toilet outlet pipe ( 100mm pipe). Our ensuite toilet has no hole in the floor for plumbing and now I'm wondering what the outcome will be. Has anyone had this issue and how was it resolved? I don't want the integrity of the pad compromised by it be cut up, but I'm guessing this is what'll have to be done. Hi happyhouse, Unfortunately this is a pretty common occurrence, as much as we'd all like to be perfect as some would suggest we should be it really isnt a big deal if fixed correctly. The integrity of the slab is not an issue, sure some concrete needs to be cut out but around the pipes the steel is is cut back anyway so theres no concern there. The piece of slab is taken out the pipe moved and new concrete poured in the hole. The main concern is the termite barrier is redone correctly, keep a close eye on this and even ask the SS to show you where it was was redone. Re: Plumbing in wrong place 14Oct 05, 2014 8:05 am mgilla happyhouse Hi everyone. Has anyone else had the issue of plumbing being put in the wrong place? We inspected our house tonight and a new wall has been put up and it's been laid across what would have been the ensuite toilet outlet pipe ( 100mm pipe). Our ensuite toilet has no hole in the floor for plumbing and now I'm wondering what the outcome will be. Has anyone had this issue and how was it resolved? I don't want the integrity of the pad compromised by it be cut up, but I'm guessing this is what'll have to be done. Hi happyhouse, Unfortunately this is a pretty common occurrence, as much as we'd all like to be perfect as some would suggest we should be it really isnt a big deal if fixed correctly. The integrity of the slab is not an issue, sure some concrete needs to be cut out but around the pipes the steel is is cut back anyway so theres no concern there. The piece of slab is taken out the pipe moved and new concrete poured in the hole. The main concern is the termite barrier is redone correctly, keep a close eye on this and even ask the SS to show you where it was was redone. You would think that builder would perform basic checks before slab is poured but all to often there is no checking at all, it's all in the hands of a subbie that may or may not have been squeezed on price. It has nothing to do with fortune and perfection and everything to do with basic control and QA which too many builders even some premium project builders just don't do. No one expects builders to be perfect but we do pay builders a lot of money for what they do and we expect them to control production on site, perform in professional and workmanlike manner and do a good job. Here is another good reason why you should have pre slab inspection http://www.buildingexpert.net.au/new-home-pre-slab.htm Foremost Building Expert in Australia,assisting with building problems/disputes, building stage inspections,pre-contract review advice for peace of mind 200 blogs http://www.buildingexpert.net.au/blog Re: Plumbing in wrong place 16Oct 05, 2014 4:20 pm building-expert mgilla happyhouse Hi everyone. Has anyone else had the issue of plumbing being put in the wrong place? We inspected our house tonight and a new wall has been put up and it's been laid across what would have been the ensuite toilet outlet pipe ( 100mm pipe). Our ensuite toilet has no hole in the floor for plumbing and now I'm wondering what the outcome will be. Has anyone had this issue and how was it resolved? I don't want the integrity of the pad compromised by it be cut up, but I'm guessing this is what'll have to be done. Hi happyhouse, Unfortunately this is a pretty common occurrence, as much as we'd all like to be perfect as some would suggest we should be it really isnt a big deal if fixed correctly. The integrity of the slab is not an issue, sure some concrete needs to be cut out but around the pipes the steel is is cut back anyway so theres no concern there. The piece of slab is taken out the pipe moved and new concrete poured in the hole. The main concern is the termite barrier is redone correctly, keep a close eye on this and even ask the SS to show you where it was was redone. No one expects builders to be perfect but we do pay builders a lot of money for what they do and we expect them to control production on site, perform in professional and workmanlike manner and do a good job. Here is another good reason why you should have pre slab inspection http://www.buildingexpert.net.au/new-home-pre-slab.htm Ahh b_e I would have loved to done a QA on one of the houses you built. But then again it would have been a waste of my time. I can only assume the reason you got into inspections was you were just so damn good at building houses and never made a mistake that it was your civil duty to pass on your god given skill and protect the world from all the humans that build houses. Re: Plumbing in wrong place 17Oct 05, 2014 5:12 pm mgilla wrote " Ahh b_e I would have loved to done a QA on one of the houses you built. But then again it would have been a waste of my time. I can only assume the reason you got into inspections was you were just so damn good at building houses and never made a mistake that it was your civil duty to pass on your god given skill and protect the world from all the humans that build houses." You have a real talent for getting it wrong. I have made every mistake in the book and many that I should not have repeated so I speak from authority of experience for the benefit of others. I retired from building when my kids grew up and left and I did not need the stress of building any more. I used to get paid for what I did now I get paid for what I know, suck it up. Foremost Building Expert in Australia,assisting with building problems/disputes, building stage inspections,pre-contract review advice for peace of mind 200 blogs http://www.buildingexpert.net.au/blog Re: Plumbing in wrong place 18Oct 06, 2014 2:12 am Thanks again for the feedback and JOEA, thanks for the pics of what I guess is going to have to happen to ours. I have been in touch with our building company and I've asked for an onsite meet with SS who I have not seen or heard from since signing up. Have also been in touch with Master Builders Association WA who said I should be concerned about the water membrane and termite treatment and that I should get something in writing stating how this situation has been erectified. Hopefully our SS will meet with me on Tues or Wed coming and we can resolve this. Haven't put the pics on the computer yet as have been working but days off coming up and I will try to upload pics then. Joea, was that pic actually your house and is it now completed? Regards. Re: Plumbing in wrong place 19Oct 06, 2014 7:00 am happyhouse Thanks again for the feedback and JOEA, thanks for the pics of what I guess is going to have to happen to ours. I have been in touch with our building company and I've asked for an onsite meet with SS who I have not seen or heard from since signing up. Have also been in touch with Master Builders Association WA who said I should be concerned about the water membrane and termite treatment and that I should get something in writing stating how this situation has been erectified. Hopefully our SS will meet with me on Tues or Wed coming and we can resolve this. Haven't put the pics on the computer yet as have been working but days off coming up and I will try to upload pics then. Joea, was that pic actually your house and is it now completed? Regards. Happyhouse, I just commented on the photos. They were posted by: Insider. Cheers Re: Plumbing in wrong place 20Oct 06, 2014 10:38 am if they need to cut the slab, they will need engineering and inspection completed by the building surveyor prior to pouring. if you are unsure, ask for them to confirm this and they should be able to give you a copy of the inspection report from the building surveyor. these things do happen.... but its fixable and will not compromise the structural integrity of your home. hope that helps! Use a product like Equisol's Vitalise to clean the deck then coat with a penetrating timber oil. It will look 10 years younger and add value to your home. Visit for… 1 15784 Appreciate that Chippy. I won’t do sand under pavers and will connect all up under pavers, however I was going to do: 1) Roadbase compacted with manual hand tamper 2)… 10 18563 |