Browse Forums Building A New House 1 May 23, 2008 5:19 pm Hi all,
Really need your help on this. 1.My builder provides several tenders each time changes are made. 2. I signed a tender on the 7/3 and now my builder says that drafting will not be able to build as per price in this tender. They will have to charge me more to accomodate upstairs. 3.The builder says that the tender stand only unitil " Plans are drawn" However all their previous tenders have led me to believe that these changes are possible within the price. 4.Another thing - I asked for gyprock cut outs and was quoted $350 for this. This was added to a previous tender. Now with the current tender it has been increased to $950. Builder says that drafting and estimating made a mistake. What should I do???? Would really appreciate your advice. Thank you Raz If you think you can, you can. Re: TENDER PRICE HAS CHANGED AND BUILDER WONT STICK TO TENDER??? 2May 23, 2008 5:21 pm Have you signed a contract yet? C&G -------------------------------- A new building chapter begins.. Re: TENDER PRICE HAS CHANGED AND BUILDER WONT STICK TO TENDER??? 3May 23, 2008 5:26 pm Wow Raz, I didn't think they'd do that!
I got a tender back this week with lots of increases on it too. Well I requested some changes and the changes they added to certain points made those points jump more than I would have expected for the changes I made. I made the comment that I would be going back to a previous tender for some items and she said that was ok. I don't quite understand what you're saying though? What do you mean "charge you more to accommodate upstairs?" What do you mean by "However all their previous tenders have led me to believe that these changes are possible within the price. " Which changes did you think were possible within which price? Re: TENDER PRICE HAS CHANGED AND BUILDER WONT STICK TO TENDER??? 4May 23, 2008 9:35 pm Hi Chrissie and Graham,
No I havent yet. My builder's process is diff- we sign a tender on which plans are drawn and submitted to council. Contracts are then signed. Raz If you think you can, you can. Re: TENDER PRICE HAS CHANGED AND BUILDER WONT STICK TO TENDER??? 5May 23, 2008 9:38 pm Sounds wrong to me …..is he going to keep changing prices all the way through? Internal and External Building and Colour Consultant Online - Worldwide http://www.denovoconcepts.com Re: TENDER PRICE HAS CHANGED AND BUILDER WONT STICK TO TENDER??? 6May 23, 2008 9:51 pm Rachelle,
Sorry I sounded really confusing. Im going to try again to explain this better. This is the scenario:- 1. I signed a tender lets call this tender 3. 2. To this tender I re-added a bathtub to master bedroom which was already priced in tender 1 but I had deleted in tender 3 3. New tender No 4 arrived with a much higher price for other structural changes to Master Bed due to the addition of b athtub. ( not shown in previous tender). 4. They say that estimating department/drafting has to now include this extra cost. This is just one example. I have had to make several changes like this. So the price for changes are not reallly what they have provided for in the tender. Raz If you think you can, you can. Re: TENDER PRICE HAS CHANGED AND BUILDER WONT STICK TO TENDER??? 7May 23, 2008 10:05 pm Hi Michelle,
Thanks for your reply. I'm kinda concerned... What should I do???? be quiet or actually raise the issue? It seems such strange practice to increase price in this way. Raz If you think you can, you can. Re: TENDER PRICE HAS CHANGED AND BUILDER WONT STICK TO TENDER??? 8May 23, 2008 10:13 pm that's definitely not right. you original tender should still valid, you just sign on extra variations, which is either added on top or changes whatever overlaps between the 2.
which builder is this?? Re: TENDER PRICE HAS CHANGED AND BUILDER WONT STICK TO TENDER??? 9May 24, 2008 5:41 am ah so this happened as a result of drawing plans?
I don't think it sounds right, you'd be well withiin your right to get your deposit back for something like this. Re: TENDER PRICE HAS CHANGED AND BUILDER WONT STICK TO TENDER??? 10May 24, 2008 6:42 am Hi Raz,
It sounds to me there is a problem with communication from their part. What they say at one tender, seems to be not the case at the next one. Keep in mind that building costs are rising all the time and I wouldnt be surprised if they are putting up the cost each tender to cover themselves...at your expense of course. We were told that to build our house today would cost at least another 70k and we only signed late last year. I indeed would not be happy and I really think you need to have a meeting to express your concerns about these 'Price increases' My concern is that you havent even started building and already there are major concerns with your builder. You need to clear this up and give them a chance to explain/justify. So ask for a meeting and clarify all these issues. Are you going with a volume builder or custom home builder? Mrs B Re: TENDER PRICE HAS CHANGED AND BUILDER WONT STICK TO TENDER??? 11May 24, 2008 8:26 am I agree with Mrs B.
You need to sit down and discuss this with them ASAP! And whilst we sit back saying they need to make increases because products are going up, don’t be fooled……they know this well before you or I do, and should have already put the increases in when doing their first tender! Signs of builders getting greedy! FINE……but lets hope they give you what you pay for, and in some cases………..this is not happening! Internal and External Building and Colour Consultant Online - Worldwide http://www.denovoconcepts.com Re: TENDER PRICE HAS CHANGED AND BUILDER WONT STICK TO TENDER??? 12May 24, 2008 9:06 am Mrs B,
Thanks you for your detailed analysis. Just what I really needed. The builder should stand by the tender and I will on Monday escalate this to sales manager/owner, SC has been trying to justify/explain this by saying 1. The drafting department overlooked this or made a mistake. 2. The tender only stands till plans are drawn up.( this is not there in the fine print of the tender). 3. Continuing on with the bath tub eg SC has said " Well if you want the bathtub we have to make changes to Bed 1 and which will be x dollars." They should have presented all of this to me before.- all changes to the floor plan were submitted to drafting/estimating and and why didint they pick this up before I signed the tender. The builder does seem to have big issues in the drafting/estimating area several of the tenders including my 2 sets of plans have an unacceptable number of measurement errors. This impact of this has been such a waste of several weeks and I have had to change the floor plan to accomodate this. Raz If you think you can, you can. Re: TENDER PRICE HAS CHANGED AND BUILDER WONT STICK TO TENDER??? 13May 24, 2008 9:12 am HI Michelle,
I guess builders can become v greedy becos they have us captive. I do intend to discuss with my builder on Monday. However I need some strategy to pin them down to their tender. For eg with the gyrock cut outs not only their quote but their previous 2 tenders priced it an $350. Now they want $950. I have raised this with SC and she simply said that "This price didn’t originally allow for the columns which has been included as part of design (only the cut-outs). Estimating have picked this up now that the plans have been drawn and added in the extra cost. " Thank you for your reply I really appreciate it. Raz If you think you can, you can. Re: TENDER PRICE HAS CHANGED AND BUILDER WONT STICK TO TENDER??? 14May 24, 2008 10:34 am Raz, all the strategy you need is in writing….. from their previous tenders!!!
Make sure you go equipped with all the tender changes as well as the first one you got from them. Then possibly drop mid conversation “Your wondering what your solicitor will think about all this?” see what happens after that. Don’t threaten anything, just make mention you are giving it some thought. Like Mrs B said, there’s a huge lack of communication going on with them………I would like to call it something else ….but I won’t! Get in their face Raz! Internal and External Building and Colour Consultant Online - Worldwide http://www.denovoconcepts.com Re: TENDER PRICE HAS CHANGED AND BUILDER WONT STICK TO TENDER??? 15May 24, 2008 10:57 am Yeah I agree with Michelle!
I would seriously think about pulling out if these issues are not resolved. Once you have signed the contract, the ball is in their court! Re: TENDER PRICE HAS CHANGED AND BUILDER WONT STICK TO TENDER??? 16May 24, 2008 11:13 pm think from another way:
1. how much time & $ you have spent with this builder? 2. have you submitted to council yet? 3. what's the impact if this becomes another Beechwood or there's major problem/delay cause by the company's style of "bad" communication during your 12+months long construction period?? May be it's not too late to look into 2nd builder before you are stuck? How many builders did you approched before you decided with this company? if you go to them for help now I believe they will all be too happy to help you! Re: TENDER PRICE HAS CHANGED AND BUILDER WONT STICK TO TENDER??? 17May 25, 2008 9:42 am Michelle Raz, all the strategy you need is in writing….. from their previous tenders!!! Make sure you go equipped with all the tender changes as well as the first one you got from them. Then possibly drop mid conversation “Your wondering what your solicitor will think about all this?” see what happens after that. Don’t threaten anything, just make mention you are giving it some thought. Like Mrs B said, there’s a huge lack of communication going on with them………I would like to call it something else ….but I won’t! Get in their face Raz! Hi Michelle. Thank you very very much for your reply. its been so helpful to guide me how to formulate a letter to them. I am going to say that I am very concerend that individual tender prices although provided for in previous tenders are increasing. ..... Still thinking about how to word it.!!!!!! Raz If you think you can, you can. Re: TENDER PRICE HAS CHANGED AND BUILDER WONT STICK TO TENDER??? 18May 25, 2008 9:46 am sammy Yeah I agree with Michelle! I would seriously think about pulling out if these issues are not resolved. Once you have signed the contract, the ball is in their court! Hello Sammy, Yes I am going to write/ talk about this issue with Manager. I guess the reality is that if they cant resolve this what's the point of going through with them. However I have so much time and emotion is invested in projects like this... its upsetting.! Raz If you think you can, you can. Re: TENDER PRICE HAS CHANGED AND BUILDER WONT STICK TO TENDER??? 19May 25, 2008 9:51 am ahuang think from another way: 1. how much time & $ you have spent with this builder? 2. have you submitted to council yet? 3. what's the impact if this becomes another Beechwood or there's major problem/delay cause by the company's style of "bad" communication during your 12+months long construction period?? May be it's not too late to look into 2nd builder before you are stuck? How many builders did you approched before you decided with this company? if you go to them for help now I believe they will all be too happy to help you! HI Allan, 1. I have been talking to this builder for a while now ... I think from Sept or oct 07. $- spent $3500. 2. Not gone to council yet. this depost of $3500 is to do just that. 3.The impact of another Beechwood style will be huge on me.... imagine waiting years for insurance etc to finish the project. The really hard part is that I looked at several builders in the price. so spent a few months looking at them. I heard horror stories for so many of them. With this builder I actually went to people who have built with them and talked to them and go the most positive response for this builder In a real dilemma.... Raz If you think you can, you can. Re: TENDER PRICE HAS CHANGED AND BUILDER WONT STICK TO TENDER??? 20May 25, 2008 12:45 pm Hi Raz,
I think you must also consider the amount of time you have spent. Remember time is money. We went through this with Beechwood. It took about a year before it finally went to council. In the mean time we have to pay mortgages and rent. Not to mention the inconvenience of not having your own place. We finally changed to another builder, which was lucky because otherwise we would be one of those unfinished homes right now! Sometimes we forget that you may loose more money trying to negotiate a few hundred dollars discount when you may loose thousands in mortgage and rent. Good luck. Thanks Simon, I guess I'm no concerned with the volume of the noise rather that dead and hollow sound and feel that is associated with floating floors. But I'm not sure… 3 6141 Hey. Head to a metal and decide on which profile you will use first. Profiles with larger corrugations can greatly change the appearance of the color in different… 0 3384 I work with owner, he/she is my man on the ground and I instruct them when to visit the site and take photos and I have other tools in the bag. 4 15275 |