Browse Forums Building A New House Re: Plumbing inspection failed 41Mar 31, 2014 12:00 pm Hi Snandan, That's okay. Talk to the council inspector and find out all you can and then write to your builder stating that you understand why the inspection has failed but that you do not accept that it needs to be done at your cost. They didn't give you the option to decide where the water outlet was placed and therefore they need to take responsibility for their work. Just say it all nicely and see where it gets you. Re: Plumbing inspection failed 42Mar 31, 2014 12:08 pm And you know Snandan, I'd actually take comfort from the fact that your inspector is really looking after your interests. It sounds like he/she is picky and that is what you need. Now you just need to make sure you don't foot the bill for fixing their defects. Re: Plumbing inspection failed 43Mar 31, 2014 12:46 pm That is true. I will be in touch with the inspector to get a full report. I have also been advise to get an independent inspector out to see if the fittings have been done as per specifications of the product. Re: Plumbing inspection failed 44Mar 31, 2014 1:38 pm I have been in contact with the council and they informed me that the plumber should have done all tests before requesting inspection. The report states the following defects: 1. Hydrostatic Test Certificate required to be submitted to council. 2. Dual check to be fitted to the shower hose x2 The builder is saying: As you can see by the specifications you sent ,there are no details for heights and the length of the hose. - which is correct, it did not have that. The shower fitting would have to be installed at least 1 meter higher for this to pass the inspection and that can not be done. They also do not wish to tell me details of the plumber who fitted the unit. Images of the problem: Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Re: Plumbing inspection failed 45Mar 31, 2014 2:14 pm Your shower rail is a little different to ours because you seem to have a fixed shower head as well. I'm finding it a bit difficult to tell from the photo where the water outlet is but if your shower head is the Krome 100 3F then there are certainly technical specifications here: http://www.flexispray.com.au/index.php/ ... owers.html though the writing is so tiny I can't see any figures. Have the builders told you what is involved in the variation? Is it just a straight up payment for the dual check? Renovator's delight have a clearer picture here: http://rdd.com.au/all-products/bathroom ... hower.html This shows that the water inlet/outlet is quite high already so it looks like it couldn't be put any higher. But why didn't the plumber read the tech specs first? It just sounds like this is a regulation that is so little enforced the plumber doesn't even know it! Re: Plumbing inspection failed 46Mar 31, 2014 3:45 pm Liliana Your shower rail is a little different to ours because you seem to have a fixed shower head as well. I'm finding it a bit difficult to tell from the photo where the water outlet is but if your shower head is the Krome 100 3F then there are certainly technical specifications here: http://www.flexispray.com.au/index.php/ ... owers.html though the writing is so tiny I can't see any figures. Have the builders told you what is involved in the variation? Is it just a straight up payment for the dual check? Renovator's delight have a clearer picture here: http://rdd.com.au/all-products/bathroom ... hower.html This shows that the water inlet/outlet is quite high already so it looks like it couldn't be put any higher. But why didn't the plumber read the tech specs first? It just sounds like this is a regulation that is so little enforced the plumber doesn't even know it! Yes, it is the Krome 100 3F and we gave the builder the spec off the site but it was not good enough as it did not have the hose measurements apparently. http://www.flexispray.com.au/index.php/component/content/article/23-shower-item/178-krome-100-3f-exposure-rail-shower.html No details of any of our questions have been answered other than they will be sending a variation for fitting and inspection. When I spoke to the council they informed me the builder had got them to do 2 inspections 1 day after the other. In the first one they failed 6 items of regulations. Then the 2nd time they failed the 2 which i mentioned before and this was identified in the 1st inspection report as well. Not only that I asked the council officer if these checks or defects they picked up should have been picked up and tested by the plumber? and they said yes, it should have been tested before they came out to inspect. So twice the builder and their contractor have failed regulations and not learnt their lesson. Re: Plumbing inspection failed 47Mar 31, 2014 4:40 pm I have recieved variation of $505....and this is all it says: Supply and install dual check valve to client supplied shower fittings to Ensuite and bathroom, including re-inspection fee. The not so funny thing is that as far as what the council officer told me; there is no inspection fee. :S Re: Plumbing inspection failed 48Mar 31, 2014 5:16 pm Will the council put it in writing that there was no second inspection fee? You could try contacting the Queensland equivalent of the plumbing commission and asking them if this is a regulation the licensed plumber should have been expected to know. If it is, then you shouldn't be charged the inspection fee as the plumber shouldn't have installed the shower heads before requesting the dual check. You could also try contacting the Queensland equivalent of Consumer Affairs and seeing what they say are your obligations. Depending on how you feel about the builder (have they been alright up until now?) you could offer to pay half and say the correct installation was a shared responsibility - their responsibility to ask for the technical data and yours to provide it. At least you can be confident when you move in that your house will be well "regulated". Re: Plumbing inspection failed 49Mar 31, 2014 5:20 pm snandan, what fitting (and height) is their standard inclusion? 3in1 Supadiverta. Rainwater Harvesting Best Practice using syphonic drainage. Cleaner Neater Smarter Cheaper Supa Gutter Pumper. A low cost syphonic eaves gutter overflow solution. Re: Plumbing inspection failed 50Mar 31, 2014 5:25 pm Liliana You could try contacting the Queensland equivalent of the plumbing commission and asking them if this is a regulation the licensed plumber should have been expected to know. It is like the plumber's 2 x table. The pipe height is wrong and the fitting should not have been connected to the low connection provided. A fail on two counts. I would be contacting the regulatory authorities and making a complaint about... 1. The non compliant plumbing. 2. The builder's conduct. The plumber only had to check the hose and shower head length before plumbing the pipes and again before fitting the flexispray. Any dumb a$$ plumber (and builder for that matter) should know to do that. 3in1 Supadiverta. Rainwater Harvesting Best Practice using syphonic drainage. Cleaner Neater Smarter Cheaper Supa Gutter Pumper. A low cost syphonic eaves gutter overflow solution. Re: Plumbing inspection failed 51Mar 31, 2014 5:40 pm Liliana Will the council put it in writing that there was no second inspection fee? You could try contacting the Queensland equivalent of the plumbing commission and asking them if this is a regulation the licensed plumber should have been expected to know. If it is, then you shouldn't be charged the inspection fee as the plumber shouldn't have installed the shower heads before requesting the dual check. You could also try contacting the Queensland equivalent of Consumer Affairs and seeing what they say are your obligations. Depending on how you feel about the builder (have they been alright up until now?) you could offer to pay half and say the correct installation was a shared responsibility - their responsibility to ask for the technical data and yours to provide it. At least you can be confident when you move in that your house will be well "regulated". I am enquiring about the inspection fees from the council and based on the information given by council all checks should have been done by the plumber. I would have been happy to pay for the $20 * 2 valves but $505 is so over the top. I will try and contact the plumbing commission and for sure will be contacting the building association that mediates issues like these. Re: Plumbing inspection failed 53Mar 31, 2014 5:44 pm SaveH2O Liliana You could try contacting the Queensland equivalent of the plumbing commission and asking them if this is a regulation the licensed plumber should have been expected to know. It is like the plumber's 2 x table. The pipe height is wrong and the fitting should not have been connected to the low connection provided. A fail on two counts. I would be contacting the regulatory authorities and making a complaint about... 1. The non compliant plumbing. 2. The builder's conduct. The plumber only had to check the hose and shower head length before plumbing the pipes and again before fitting the flexispray. Any dumb a$$ plumber (and builder for that matter) should know to do that. I so agree....they have not done that job correctly in the first place. Re: Plumbing inspection failed 54Mar 31, 2014 6:28 pm snandan just the standard ugly looking shower head Looking at the photo, it looks like the water connection is at the top. It is different to Liliana's fitting. The hose is connected to the bottom of the shower head rail and the hose is very long. Despite this, the plumber should not have connected it knowing that it wasn't compliant to do so and the issue should have been raised much earlier. 3in1 Supadiverta. Rainwater Harvesting Best Practice using syphonic drainage. Cleaner Neater Smarter Cheaper Supa Gutter Pumper. A low cost syphonic eaves gutter overflow solution. Re: Plumbing inspection failed 56Mar 31, 2014 7:46 pm HaHa. Good question. Would have asked and someone didn't want to risk it by not being honest. I'd like to know why steps weren't taken after the first inspection. They would have obviously known that an item not passed during the first inspection wasn't going to pass muster the second time if nothing had been done. It is as though they didn't want it to pass as surely they would have known that it wouldn't. Fitting a non return valve is the band aid approach. 3in1 Supadiverta. Rainwater Harvesting Best Practice using syphonic drainage. Cleaner Neater Smarter Cheaper Supa Gutter Pumper. A low cost syphonic eaves gutter overflow solution. Re: Plumbing inspection failed 59Apr 01, 2014 2:14 am Hi snandan, I assume that the hose detaches from the chrome rail/pipe where it connects at the bottom. If it does, why not ask Trade Link for a chrome plug that you can screw into that bottom connection. That way, you remove the hose but still have the shower head and it will pass inspection with no variation. In the interim, you can look around for a shorter hose. 3in1 Supadiverta. Rainwater Harvesting Best Practice using syphonic drainage. Cleaner Neater Smarter Cheaper Supa Gutter Pumper. A low cost syphonic eaves gutter overflow solution. Re: Plumbing inspection failed 60Apr 01, 2014 10:13 am snandan "If its okay with you I will forward your number to the Logan City council Inspector and he will call you and explain why the plumbing final has failed . " That's probably a bit of a 'heads up' to me, as I'm dealing with them too. We've got a sloping block and had the water from the meter up to the water tank put in by plumber, and I backfilled it with sand around the poly pipe and then buried it in case of a rain storm that would've washed it all out (90+metre trench) and on to the road, and took photos of it, and LCC won't pass it until it gets dug up for them to actually view it. Plumber has told me not to worry though, as the photos that he sent to them should be enough. I do hope in your case you get the inspector to call you back, better yet email you the details as to the non-compliance, so you can take it back to the builder to sort out for you. Owner Building at Jimboomba Woods in Logan City Qld. Blog : http://bandlnewhomebuild.blogspot.com H1 thread : viewtopic.php?f=38&t=68283 . In my experience roof is essential element of the building envelope and hence a common property and should be covered by owners corporation however a detailed review of… 3 6168 For anyone that comes across this issue in the future - Just did what aussieta said and found a plumber to inspect it and sign off on it. Was difficult to find someone to… 3 7026 5 3775 |