Browse Forums Building A New House Re: Plumbing inspection failed 21Mar 29, 2014 7:40 pm snandan, did you price a shorter hose? Just wondering...did the builder know that you were supplying the fittings to the plumber and when you did give them to the plumber, were the pipes already plumbed? Something has got up their nose. 3in1 Supadiverta. Rainwater Harvesting Best Practice using syphonic drainage. Cleaner Neater Smarter Cheaper Supa Gutter Pumper. A low cost syphonic eaves gutter overflow solution. Re: Plumbing inspection failed 23Mar 30, 2014 9:30 am SaveH2O I'm worried too!! Last night I dreamt that I was eating a huge marshmallow but when I woke up...my pillow was gone. When I stopped building contracting my nightmares stopped. Now I have the best job in the world. Nothing's my problem! Just trying to stop nightmares for others. Foremost Building Expert in Australia,assisting with building problems/disputes, building stage inspections,pre-contract review advice for peace of mind 200 blogs http://www.buildingexpert.net.au/blog Re: Plumbing inspection failed 24Mar 30, 2014 3:35 pm SaveH2O snandan, did you price a shorter hose? Just wondering...did the builder know that you were supplying the fittings to the plumber and when you did give them to the plumber, were the pipes already plumbed? Something has got up their nose. I did not price a shorter hose, I didn't think of it. The builder had all the specs before the build even started. This is back in nov last year. I gave the actual items on 12th march at the site supervisors request and they were to install it then. I double check with the plumber and asked him is that all good, do you need anything else. All he said no, all good. I was a bit sus about it so I made sure he signed off on paper saying he has checked the goods and accepted it for fitting. They didnt fit it on the day i supplied it to them as they had the fittings in the wrong spots. So then they had to adjust all the fittings and then fit the items. They lost one of the packages at first. Asked us to replace it at our own cost. This was on monday and when we went to do the walk through on thursdsy it was all fitted. Looked fine to me. And on friday they do an inspection and tell em it has falied inspection. Re: Plumbing inspection failed 25Mar 30, 2014 3:48 pm Liliana Just thinkng about what SaveH20 said about the height of the pipes, the following picture shows how our shower is attached to the wall: Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ So it looks like the pipes are set fairly low and the problem could have been prevented. Snandan - you may want to see how your shower rose was fitted to the wall. The hose sits similar to that image. That hose loop does not touch the floor. Re: Plumbing inspection failed 26Mar 30, 2014 3:57 pm Our hose loop doesn't touch the floor of the shower but if you take the shower off the support the shower rose does lie on the floor. But if the point where the shower hose is attached to the wall were higher up then the shower rose would not lie on the floor. Is yours attached at the same height? Re: Plumbing inspection failed 27Mar 30, 2014 4:08 pm Liliana Our hose loop doesn't touch the floor of the shower but if you take the shower off the support the shower rose does lie on the floor. But if the point where the shower hose is attached to the wall were higher up then the shower rose would not lie on the floor. Is yours attached at the same height? It is exactly what you said. The hose or any part of it does not touch the floor unless you take it off the hook and put it on the floor like the specs images shown for the product - http://www.flexispray.com.au/index.php/component/content/article/23-shower-item/178-krome-100-3f-exposure-rail-shower.html. It looks to be at a similar height.... Re: Plumbing inspection failed 28Mar 30, 2014 5:19 pm The correct connection height as seen in the diagrams is a lot higher (and looks neater) than in the photo Liliana posted. If the plumber knew what fitting was to be plumbed, he should have plumbed the pipes accordingly. Despite not doing this (if he had sufficient prior notice as snandan has indicated he had), the plumber has fitted the flexispray even though he would/should have known that it would hit the floor if ever dropped as well as being technically not compliant with the back flow regulations. My bet is that they never expected it to be picked up during an inspection and went with it. Now the builder is blaming snandan and talking about variations because to fit it correctly, the tiles etc have to be removed and the pipes re-plumbed. 3in1 Supadiverta. Rainwater Harvesting Best Practice using syphonic drainage. Cleaner Neater Smarter Cheaper Supa Gutter Pumper. A low cost syphonic eaves gutter overflow solution. Re: Plumbing inspection failed 29Mar 30, 2014 5:43 pm I think you're right SaveH20. At least you can go into the discussion well prepared Snandan and you can point out that, if the shower had been installed correctly, there would have been no need for a valve. You can also thank somebody that problems are actually being picked up and that you don't end up like us - always finding things out too late. Though, looking at this site, the shower outlet seems to be like ours??? http://www.methven.com/au/ranges/futura/ Re: Plumbing inspection failed 30Mar 30, 2014 5:59 pm SaveH2O The correct connection height as seen in the diagrams is a lot higher (and looks neater) than in the photo Liliana posted. If the plumber knew what fitting was to be plumbed, he should have plumbed the pipes accordingly. Despite not doing this (if he had sufficient prior notice as snandan has indicated he had), the plumber has fitted the flexispray even though he would/should have known that it would hit the floor if ever dropped as well as being technically not compliant with the back flow regulations. My bet is that they never expected it to be picked up during an inspection and went with it. Now the builder is blaming snandan and talking about variations because to fit it correctly, the tiles etc have to be removed and the pipes re-plumbed. I am thinking that the plumbing has not been done correctly. Reason being I do remember the site supervisor did ask me about the shower fittings ealier in the build and I had said to them I have sent all the specs to your staff, and best for them to look at that, then to ask me what the shower fittings is like. Now they have stuffed it up and want me to cover their costs. Re: Plumbing inspection failed 31Mar 30, 2014 6:08 pm Liliana I think you're right SaveH20. At least you can go into the discussion well prepared Snandan and you can point out that, if the shower had been installed correctly, there would have been no need for a valve. You can also thank somebody that problems are actually being picked up and that you don't end up like us - always finding things out too late. Though, looking at this site, the shower outlet seems to be like ours??? http://www.methven.com/au/ranges/futura/ I surely will be asking them to confirm if it has been fitted according to the specs I provided. If not, they should have let me know of issues. They had 5 months to sit on it, I think that is more than ample time. Re: Plumbing inspection failed 32Mar 30, 2014 6:42 pm I'm not sure if it has been mentioned before. Couldn't you buy like a cheap and nasty short hand held shower head (or hose) or even normal showerhead, just to pass the inspection? Seems like a money grabbing exercise to charge for a variation. To the defence of the builder, they prob didn't know the length of the hose when you ordered it. Re: Plumbing inspection failed 33Mar 30, 2014 7:12 pm JB1 To the defence of the builder, they prob didn't know the length of the hose when you ordered it. Hi JB1 Is there a standard length of shower hose? We have a Methven Satinjet which seems to be sold just about everywhere. I'm surprised they don't say "Extra long shower hose...Beware"! Re: Plumbing inspection failed 34Mar 30, 2014 7:31 pm I've just measured ours and the hose (not including the actual shower head ) is 1500mm long. I think between 1200mm and 1500mm must be standard because I found the following note on a government website devoted to making amenities "disability-friendly": Installing shower hoses long enough to allow users sitting on a fold down seat to access and use them. For example, installing a 1200mm-1500mm length shower hoses attached to a 1800mm+ height water outlet may not provide adequate useability. Either a longer hose is required or a lower water outlet. It must be the water outlet that is the problem. Re: Plumbing inspection failed 35Mar 30, 2014 7:53 pm Liliana JB1 To the defence of the builder, they prob didn't know the length of the hose when you ordered it. Hi JB1 Is there a standard length of shower hose? We have a Methven Satinjet which seems to be sold just about everywhere. I'm surprised they don't say "Extra long shower hose...Beware"! I don't think so, because I've had some at different lengths. Re: Plumbing inspection failed 36Mar 30, 2014 10:01 pm JB1 I'm not sure if it has been mentioned before. Couldn't you buy like a cheap and nasty short hand held shower head (or hose) or even normal showerhead, just to pass the inspection? This was suggested but before we knew the connection heights. The flexispray can be easily retro fitted to replace a standard shower rose. Unfortunately, if snandan or Liliana now wanted to retro fit a standard shower rose to replace their units, the shower would only suit a midget! 3in1 Supadiverta. Rainwater Harvesting Best Practice using syphonic drainage. Cleaner Neater Smarter Cheaper Supa Gutter Pumper. A low cost syphonic eaves gutter overflow solution. Re: Plumbing inspection failed 37Mar 30, 2014 10:03 pm Liliana I'm surprised they don't say "Extra long shower hose...Beware"! Perhaps they should have labelled it: BEWARE!!! Extra thick plumber! 3in1 Supadiverta. Rainwater Harvesting Best Practice using syphonic drainage. Cleaner Neater Smarter Cheaper Supa Gutter Pumper. A low cost syphonic eaves gutter overflow solution. Re: Plumbing inspection failed 38Mar 31, 2014 7:09 am Maybe it wasn't (as you suggested earlier SaveH20) the plumber that fitted the shower rose. Looking back through my plumbing compliance certificate it says Install supplied tapware and waste to sinks basins & trough Does tapware include shower heads? Just checked Wikipedia - if you can trust this as a reference on plumbing, "tapware" does include shower heads. Re: Plumbing inspection failed 39Mar 31, 2014 11:52 am I am sure that the shower head is defined as tap ware. It defies logic to install the pipe connection so low as it restricts you to a hand held device unless the pipe work is accessed and changed. Not everyone likes the hand held ones. 3in1 Supadiverta. Rainwater Harvesting Best Practice using syphonic drainage. Cleaner Neater Smarter Cheaper Supa Gutter Pumper. A low cost syphonic eaves gutter overflow solution. Re: Plumbing inspection failed 40Mar 31, 2014 11:55 am After I asked all the hard questions to the Builder like: 1.Can you investigate and confirm that shower fittings has been fitted as per the specifications provided. 2.Why was I not informed of this issue when I sent the full specifications? 3.Why was I not informed on the 12th of March when I supplied the unit to your contractor that it was non compliant? 4. If the reason for non compliance is correct and the shower must be installed with the necessary check valve, why was it installed without it to begin with? All they replied to me is: "If its okay with you I will forward your number to the Logan City council Inspector and he will call you and explain why the plumbing final has failed . 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