Browse Forums Building A New House Re: KDR with Sekisui House: can we refuse a variation? 1641May 12, 2015 9:26 pm ouch yvonne ... clearly admin people are clueless and have not seen the practicality of the work ... Re: KDR with Sekisui House: can we refuse a variation? 1642May 12, 2015 9:31 pm deluded ouch yvonne ... clearly admin people are clueless and have not seen the practicality of the work ... I can't even say it's just the admin person. Although she's sat on it for 5 days which doesn't help matters! (it's dated 6th May, expires tomorrow and I got it today!) She was doing the whole "what? they didn't discuss this one with you before?" thing... *sigh* Re: KDR with Sekisui House: can we refuse a variation? 1643May 12, 2015 9:36 pm Omg what is up with these variations! These last minute charges are leaving a bad taste in the mouth. So disappointing when I'm sure all you want is to get those hot little keys in your hands! Re: KDR with Sekisui House: can we refuse a variation? 1644May 12, 2015 10:51 pm What the H? That's insane to get variations now, you're almost done! That's just incompetence You did your own rock/trench cutting so that shouldn't even be listed. How about sending them an invoice for your time which they've wasted making you read about their incompetencies and all the research you had to do to counteract their overcharging and doubledipping. Make it add up to $2,563. Honestly, that's is exactly what I would do -- I know I joke around a lot, but that is what I'd do. Re: KDR with Sekisui House: can we refuse a variation? 1645May 12, 2015 11:02 pm Actually, I've thought about it more. You signed a contract to do certain work. If there were unforseen changes that pop up, they needed to consult you before going ahead, because you only signed for what was in the contract. Anyway, you say you've already paid for it. If they miscalculated the amount and underestimated then that's their fault (incompetence) and should wear it. Either call her and tell her or write to her. If she argues it, write to her manager. Shame you have to do this, it's a waste of your time and causes ill-feeling. Re: KDR with Sekisui House: can we refuse a variation? 1646May 12, 2015 11:09 pm We joke about sending them invoices all the time. I want them to just respond to our emails! I wonder if someone's bonus or pay is being impacted by our build. It does seem a bit stupid. Re: KDR with Sekisui House: can we refuse a variation? 1647May 12, 2015 11:12 pm TomCat Actually, I've thought about it more. You signed a contract to do certain work. If there were unforseen changes that pop up, they needed to consult you before going ahead, because you only signed for what was in the contract. Anyway, you say you've already paid for it. If they miscalculated the amount and underestimated then that's their fault (incompetence) and should wear it. Either call her and tell her or write to her. If she argues it, write to her manager. Shame you have to do this, it's a waste of your time and causes ill-feeling. Thanks tomcat. We've actually done this. And today is the second time. The first was about the expensive trench. This time it's detailing the section in the contract that says they need to get us to sign the variation before the work happens. I need to charge them legal fees as I've been reading up on consumer law and the contract again and again! Thanks for the support! Re: KDR with Sekisui House: can we refuse a variation? 1648May 12, 2015 11:27 pm Quote: I need to charge them legal fees as I've been reading up on consumer law and the contract again and again! There you go! Yes, legal rates ... and lawyers charge for every second, every call, every millimetre, crumb and toilet paper sheet in between Re: KDR with Sekisui House: can we refuse a variation? 1649May 13, 2015 1:15 am Good luck Yvonne! They should know better than to try it on with you! Re: KDR with Sekisui House: can we refuse a variation? 1650May 13, 2015 5:34 am Will see what they say with what we have now... Re: KDR with Sekisui House: can we refuse a variation? 1651May 13, 2015 7:36 am Just catching to find you copping another variation I reakon if you can prove you have already paid the Rock removal and conduit then fight it for sure. I would say surely they can't just do it unless you sign off. All of our variations (caused by us none have been like yours) the builder would not action or do until we returned the signed variation I would assume because if they just went and did it and you never signed they could never force you to pay. These sorts of variations are what I was always worried about we have only built with fixed price contract that include earthworks and services etc so didn't have to stress over the unknown. Re: KDR with Sekisui House: can we refuse a variation? 1652May 13, 2015 7:51 am It's annoying for sure. Strangely enough I believe we will get through this as I can't see how they can charge for it. It's not like our tiger tails or our extra fill or council cross over deposit. This one I just can't see it happening. But I really just want them to get on with it so we can get in. Suspect the gas connection is what is holding us up now. (Always something isn't it!) Re: KDR with Sekisui House: can we refuse a variation? 1653May 13, 2015 8:00 am yvonneh It's annoying for sure. Strangely enough I believe we will get through this as I can't see how they can charge for it. It's not like our tiger tails or our extra fill or council cross over deposit. This one I just can't see it happening. But I really just want them to get on with it so we can get in. Suspect the gas connection is what is holding us up now. (Always something isn't it!) can you do bottle gas instead of the $5000 connection fee they were charging? $5000 buys about 10yrs of 45kg bottles... Re: KDR with Sekisui House: can we refuse a variation? 1654May 13, 2015 8:18 am Probably should have thought about this when we saw it in the contract... Good tip. Probably should have spent the money on solar hot water and gone induction cooking! Re: KDR with Sekisui House: can we refuse a variation? 1655May 13, 2015 8:52 am This is really ridiculous, you did the hard work of getting that trench and removed rocks. And they're charging more... Now I'm very scared. So many variations after contact. Yes I'm going to re-read every lines in the contract. Really I was looking forward to hearing ...you have received your house key. Go get your boxing gloves on . Re: KDR with Sekisui House: can we refuse a variation? 1656May 13, 2015 8:57 am Hi Yvonne, have had a read through this thread and your blog post. For now, I would say your best course of action is to simply ask them to demonstrate the basis of the cost and the reason why they consider the items to be variations. Right now, you don't have enough information from them to be able to assess either the validity in the first place or if the quantum is accurate. Also, see if you can speak to the SS (speak, not write). Most variations are instigated from the site, so he may have some insight into how these variations developed. He also might be able to give you some thoughts if they are not warranted. I would leave the whole legal thing aside for just a little while (predatory pricing, excessive use of market force etc) until you see where they are going with this and provide some substantiation. Seksui KDR in Sydney (2015-2016) Links --> | H1 thread | Final plans | Timing of works updated 9/3/16 | Re: KDR with Sekisui House: can we refuse a variation? 1657May 13, 2015 10:11 am Thanks clintdb sage advice. Will definitely wait for their response including talking with our SS about this before taking any action Re: KDR with Sekisui House: handover early June 1658May 13, 2015 2:50 pm Just hassled my SS. He said he needs to give 10 days notice but he hasn't been on site yet so it won't be for at least two weeks. Which really takes it to June. Where's that emoticon that has someone falling over? This one will have to do for now: Re: KDR with Sekisui House: handover early June 1659May 13, 2015 2:54 pm Oh wow... not sure it it is exciting news... just never ends...hope this is it and you move in!! You're running out of pics to update us piggies with this wait.. hahahah All seriousness "yay" the date is getting clearer!! 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