Browse Forums Building A New House 1 Nov 29, 2013 12:44 am Is there a list or guide anywhere (on or off the forum) to normal expenses incurred with a typical knock-down rebuild that aren't usually included in builder's tender? The tender we've received lists a dozen or so items not included in the pricing, but I wouldn't know if there were others things excluded that he didn't list. A ball-park figure of how much to allow for these essential "exclusions" would be great to have too. Also, of those exclusions that were listed by the builder, I don't know if all are essential or if some (eg. road boring; peg out for sewer) were excluded because we won't or might not need them. How does anyone set a budget when there are so many unknown costs? I'll list here the exclusions I have so far & perhaps you could add to it? Not little things like letterbox, anything that costs a few 100 dollars or more please. (custom builder so obvious stuff like flooring was specified & included) Construction Development Certificate & fees engineering inspections waterboard fees for instpections & stamped drawings architect inspections/fees aerial & telephone final fit-off boundry fencing & side gates rock excavation road boring or drilling window furnishings landscaping peg out for sewer or encasements Thank you! Re: Non-builder costs 2Nov 29, 2013 6:33 am We are in the process of a knock down rebuild, and luckily pretty much all of our site costs were included in their original price. What we didn't take into account, however was disconnection of power, gas and water. I can't remember exactly how much but it would have been close to a grand all up. Then of course paying to get it all connected again (and phone). Hopefully your builder is on top of it (ours wasn't) but if you are a small lot or have any council requirements re overlooking neighbours, make sure you are up to speed on the rules re window privacy screens/obscured glass so there are no nasty surprises along the way. And has your builder included the driveway? If I think of anything else, I'll let you know Re: Non-builder costs 4Mar 27, 2014 8:45 am I will start a list here of expenses I incur (not included by builder), which I hope will be helpful to others:
* Architect/Draftsman fees for design, working drawings & documents for DA: ~$10,000 * Contour Survey $990 (I think it's usually ~$1,600) * Stormwater Concept Plan (by a Stormwater engineer) $1150 * Erosion & Sediment Control Plan - by draftsman, included with drawings * Tree Survey - didn't need this after all! * Bushfire Assessment Report (~$500) * Soil Test (free for us! Done by previous owner) * Council fees for DA - varies by cost of building but also by council, ours was about $8000 I think * Private Certifiers for CC & OC $3300 * Demolition $24,000 (unusually high I think) Re: Non-builder costs 5Mar 28, 2014 10:48 pm This is what line items I have in my budget (not including the actual build which in my case is a project builder) * driveway * demolition and any disconnection of services and CDC * removalist/storage * landscape plan * building inspector * landscaping * decking * window furnishings * replace mailbox (if necessary) * fences * retaining walls * floors * additional powerpoints/light switches etc (which we removed from the tender) * new furniture and appliances (where needed) * reconnection of services * mail redirection * TV aerial * light fittings (for something better than oyster lights) Re: Non-builder costs 6Sep 24, 2014 12:26 pm These are the costs seldom spoken of and they can get away from you and add up quickly. Power supply pit $2900. Council fees application to build within a metre from an easement $800. Small lot under 300m/2 council application fee $330. Building surveyor $2600. Infrastructure fees $120 to $990. These are just a few many more exist as well as landscaping bonds which we have had some up to $8000. Asset protection bonds up to $5000. One of the worst parts is that all councils are different with their cost structures. Re: Non-builder costs 7Sep 24, 2014 1:01 pm Forg and yvonne, what demo company did you both go with? We're in the process of sorting through the quotes now... Follow my Coral Daydream 28 build: https://forum.homeone.com.au/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=72384 Re: Non-builder costs 8Sep 24, 2014 1:17 pm I had to look back through various emails ... you think I'd remember something from only a year ago. Turns out we used City Civil. We had three quotes come back at about the same at around $13k, and two more at about $16k; we chose one of the ~$13k ones. One of the three at ~$13k is a local company (Democorp) which I probably would've been more inclined to accept had they not had email problems - I thought they'd not responded so disregarded them, but the quote came through in email with a date of two weeks before I got it. Re: Non-builder costs 9Sep 24, 2014 1:26 pm Thanks Forg. Democorp don't service our area apparently. I'm actually really not enjoying this part of the process. I think the demo will be the most stressful part for us. Follow my Coral Daydream 28 build: https://forum.homeone.com.au/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=72384 Re: Non-builder costs 10Sep 24, 2014 1:29 pm Hmm, looks like City Civil have gone into liquidation... Follow my Coral Daydream 28 build: https://forum.homeone.com.au/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=72384 Re: Non-builder costs 11Sep 24, 2014 1:43 pm Our demolition is finishing today. We were hoping for $15,000, quoted around $19,000, but they found so much extra asbestos everywhere it's costing about $24,000. There was asbestos stuck in concrete so they had to take concrete to the asbestos tip - and they charge by weight. Another unexpected cost: disconnection of electricity is a standard cost included by demolishers, but the sparkies then had to set up a temp power box for the builders to use. I don't know if most builders include this cost in their tender, but ours didn't. The demolisher's sparky was going to charge ~$1800 for this, but the builder's sparky did it & the disconnection for $880. Re: Non-builder costs 12Sep 24, 2014 8:58 pm We used Home Demolitions but also had a quote from Gabriel's demo which were well regarded and in the same ball park. Re: Non-builder costs 13Sep 24, 2014 9:00 pm And to add to this thread : tiger tails which are a safety requirement which we got slugged for Re: Non-builder costs 14Sep 24, 2014 10:19 pm kylie40 Our demolition is finishing today. We were hoping for $15,000, quoted around $19,000, but they found so much extra asbestos everywhere it's costing about $24,000. There was asbestos stuck in concrete so they had to take concrete to the asbestos tip - and they charge by weight. Another unexpected cost: disconnection of electricity is a standard cost included by demolishers, but the sparkies then had to set up a temp power box for the builders to use. I don't know if most builders include this cost in their tender, but ours didn't. The demolisher's sparky was going to charge ~$1800 for this, but the builder's sparky did it & the disconnection for $880. We had the exact same thing happen. We're quoted $15k but during the demolition they found asbestos embedded in concrete. Huge amount of extra weight and the demo ended up costing $20k. Our builder is eden brae and they included the power connection etc in the tender. Re: Non-builder costs 15Sep 25, 2014 7:37 am I suspect all the additional cost due to extra asbestos is a scam. Unlikely they wouldn't know about it. But to get the job they provide a cheaper quote and then charge you extra later. Where is the concrete containing asbestos? Re: Non-builder costs 16Sep 25, 2014 9:29 pm No doubt scams do happen. Someone on this forum was invoiced for tipping extra asbestos, but when they asked for the tipping fee receipt, the demolisher dropped the extra fee. I doubt ours was a scam. We have a friend who does asbestos certificates. He prepared a report for us, saying where he could find asbestos, and the demolisher used this in preparing their quote. The report said he only found asbestos in the walls of the older half of the house (with the possibility of more). The demolishers found it was also in the newer half and the internal wall which was originally external wall. In the bathroom, the tiles were glued on to the asbestos. The concrete steps had broken pieces of asbestos embedded into it. Each time they found some more he called me in to look at it and was very apologetic. He struck me as very nice and sincere. I think if he was that good at acting and scamming me, he could just forget the demolition business earn alot more as a full-time con-artist. From a pure legal perspective, if you've signed the variation, it is a very high bar to have it set aside. No-one can give you legal advice on a forum, but you would need… 3 5478 Thanks. There are plenty of builders around my suburb. I'll make sure to do some door-to-door knocking, or note their building details on the temp fence. 4 4746 Building Standards; Getting It Right! Long story short, a toilet room is going to back onto our main bedroom and I want to make it close to soundproof. Im going to build two frames (pretty much a room within a… 0 10214 |