Aug 12, 2013 12:46 pm
We are in the process of choosing a builder, and I am confused by the offers & deals some of them have.
One builder currently has over $55000 worth of offers, including all downlights, aircon, painting, floors, even a freestanding bath!! The other builder, (who has the perfect plan we love!) -offers nothing like that. We had a chat with him about it and he said "oh well, when you weigh up everything, you will find that theres not much difference in overall price blah blah"
How is that possible? And how likely are builders to throw things in for free when you spend a certain amount? Do we go with the builder who offers the best deals or do they rip you off in other areas?
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Aug 12, 2013 2:56 pm
We met with builder who had plan we liked and gave them brochures showing the house was similar size but cheaper and it included high ceilings in living space and stone in kitchen and we wanted that included or weren't signing up
If they want your business they will try get it. Go to another sales man for that builder (find them in different display homes). It will come down to your sales man and what he can convince the boss to approve
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Aug 12, 2013 3:08 pm
We found the easiest way to compare (and it is hard) is to write a list of the upgrades or inclusions you want.
You can get blind sighted buy a lot of packages that includes so many items, if you arent really interested in those things anyway!.
Sure, nice to have and can sway you across or give some bargaining power when going to another builder!
Go through and work out if you want stone benchtops in a kitchen, high ceilings, a type of facade, a freestanding bath, semi-frameless shower screens etc.
Get the quotes done with your "list" so each builder is comparing apples with apples.
Builder A may include that stuff in a package, Builder B, might itemise it all.
Then you can see if it "all weighs up" as that consultant says!
It's hard work... and you almost need to dedicate yourself to the cause full time!
It's so hard to work out what is what when each of their promotions and inclusions lists are so varied. Working out your requirements first off (well as close as can be anyway) will let you get a better idea of what you're in for.
You can always take the upgrades out as well
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Aug 12, 2013 3:42 pm
Most builders have similar overall profit margins.
Some have incentives but they are really marketing gimmicks which are allowed for in the overall price.
You find that most of these are "A Limited Offer" to try to get you to sign quickly. But when the offer finishes it is immediately replaced by another "Limited Offer" (see http://www.anewhouse.com.au/2012/09/bui ... al-offers/)
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Aug 12, 2013 3:58 pm
Thanks for the responses. I think I will do what deluxes suggested and make a list of what WE want, then see what each builder has to offer, as opposed to jumping on the "offer" bandwagon.
I notice these "offers" are also linked to pre-designed plans (none of which I actually liked!) - and I can just imagine it would be a pain to make changes to the floorplan without infringing on the deal.
I already have a list of "definatley wants" - so I will take them to the builders and see what they say.
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Aug 12, 2013 4:02 pm
As deluxes said make sure you've got a list of everything you want and get quotes including them all (even if you don't go ahead with them in the end) so that everything is comparable - also make sure you see your selections from the builder as it can vary a lot!
We starting off going with a builder because of a "promo" and ended up canceling that contract after some really bad bad baaad customer service and 6 months of nothing happening and lost promises
We ended up with someone where we didn't get a promo but instead when we had our quote all finalised we said we want this and need it for $$$ this figure off to go ahead which we got
Our Thread: https://forum.homeone.com.au/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=65703
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Aug 12, 2013 5:31 pm
Also take the time to look at the ranges of flooring, downlights, air con etc that they are offering. For some that we have looked at, although they include the flooring we could not really have gone with any of their standard range. The downlights included were not enough to take care of the whole house so we would either need to pay them to do the rest the same or hope that we could find some after handover that were nearly identical. With the aircon, you may need to confirm that the unit is large enough, if they are going to give a great big unit and then have you pay extra for a 3 phase connection and how many vents and zones are included - if you need to increase the number of vents or zones are they going to be reasonably priced?
In saying that though if everything checks out, I think some do offer great value and well worth a look if its all meets your needs.
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Aug 12, 2013 5:39 pm
Thanks again guys. This forum has been a wealth of info. Its my first build and im feeling overwhelmed to say the least! But all very exciting too. I will sit down and make the list tonight.
Also, what are builders like about showing you pre-start suites/options prior to signing?
We went and looked at the DA pre-start headquarters in Osborne Park - and they were great, but are the other builders so forthcoming? Or do they tend to keep things close to their chests until you sign the dotted line?
Im not talking about having a full 4 hour meeting or anything, just a squizz at the basic tiles and carpets so you can get an idea of wether you will have to upgrade a lot. I remember DA standard range was pretty suave.
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Aug 12, 2013 6:06 pm
Most salesmen will tell you who supplies their bricks, tiles, roof tiles, carpets etc. but will keep upgrade prices close to their chest. Just call or go into the suppliers and tell them who you're building with. Even though suppliers will say they are only by appt the sales staff will generally still tell you where their range is for you to see and they often look after a few builders. Some are really good and actually give you a price upgrade list.
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Aug 12, 2013 6:23 pm
I have to say it's like pulling teeth getting them to tell you anything most of the time!
As Robbie above has mentioned, they'll tell you their suppliers.
Here in SA, Simonds were the most transperant with us. Just at quote stage our SC was so forthcoming with upgrade costs and gave us a personal tour of the selections centre, which was great.
Metricon are the same here as welll.
Depends on where you're located, but Rendition (in SA) was INCREDIBLY cagey about showing us their selection centre. That annoyed me.
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Aug 12, 2013 6:41 pm
Yes, the builder we are "courting" at the moment is a bit cagey re: pricing etc and its starting to annoy me, too.
However I did call them just before to arrange a visit to their showroom to look at pre-start selections, and they were pretty happy for me to do that, so we are going on saturday arvo to have a look.
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Aug 12, 2013 6:56 pm
I really don't understand them being cagey, either by calling their suppliers, checking posts on here (or other forums) or by simply asking others who are currently building with various builders, I've been able to get price lists for tiles, carpets, carpet underlay, bricks, electrical upgrades, kitchen upgrades, additional bathrooms, extensions to garages for storage, larger entrance doors etc etc etc. Where Ive been able to get this information I get a tender, if there is no information forthcoming from any of these sources I am not going to stump up close to $1k for the privilege of finding out how much they intend to touch me up down the track. And you can bet that if anyone is reluctant to pass on at least a ball park figure it's because it's too much.
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Aug 12, 2013 7:01 pm
I think you are exactley right robbie. I dont expect them to give me a full blow by blow account of every single price & upgrade, (As if they did that for every potential buyer I can imagine it would get ridiculous) but I do expect at least bal park figures and an openness to discuss certain specifics. I am really looking forward to seeing the pre-start office this weekend, & I will be taking a leaf out of your book and finding out who their suppliers are!!
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Aug 12, 2013 7:52 pm
I know, it can be. I am just going to take the advice on here and list exactly what I want and see who can do the best deal. Im going into this with my eyes open, not expecting everything for nothing, but also not going to let them bend me over when I am spending 200k+
Im gonna get on to that list tonight and look at pre-start offices on the weekend. Then go from there. They want our business at the end of the day!
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