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Hi all. I am planning to install a rendered fence with timber infill for the front and side of the house. Could anyone recommend a good and trustworthy bricklayer +fencer that you have been using?
Browse Forums Building A New House Re: Who else is building at Oran Park? 4921Sep 19, 2015 12:12 pm Following up my own question, does anyone know how far from front footpath should the front fencing be? I know this question may not be for anyone, but in case someone knows. I checked OPT design guidelines and it does not mention about the distance from pedestrian footpath. Thanks again. yaditya Hi all. I am planning to install a rendered fence with timber infill for the front and side of the house. Could anyone recommend a good and trustworthy bricklayer +fencer that you have been using? Re: Who else is building at Oran Park? 4922Sep 19, 2015 12:23 pm yaditya Following up my own question, does anyone know how far from front footpath should the front fencing be? I know this question may not be for anyone, but in case someone knows. I checked OPT design guidelines and it does not mention about the distance from pedestrian footpath. Thanks again. yaditya Hi all. I am planning to install a rendered fence with timber infill for the front and side of the house. Could anyone recommend a good and trustworthy bricklayer +fencer that you have been using? Front fence cannot sit any further forward from your boundary. Which is usually around 40cm from the footpath. $395 Fixed Priced Landscape Plans for DA M: 0435 127 244 | W: bluegumdesign.com.au | E: info@bluegumdesign.com.au Residential | Commercial | Industrial Re: Who else is building at Oran Park? 4923Sep 21, 2015 7:40 pm Hi All, I have a newbie question. We are building with Champion Homes in 30A Tess Circuit. Slab was laid down last week and its exciting times. Having said that we received an invoice (contract variation) of $3841 for "deepend edge beams (DEB)". The invoice reads "Introduce a charge in amount of $3841 to provide additional 6.05 sqm of deepend edge beams (DEB). Total amount of DEB required on site was 6.05 meters. No allowance was made in tender for any DEB." I've just checked the tender and there is no mention of DEB. Every things sounds good so far, but I was just reading about DEB's and came across an article, which says that DEB's are ONLY required if an engineer recommends it and it's not for the builder to decide. Where would I find the council/engineer's recommendation. We are covered for 'H' class slab, does this DEB mean that slab was re-classified to 'P' or higher? Is there a cause for concern or is it common to receive this invoice (Not sure about the fall/slope). Please pardon my ignorance and thanks in advance for answering . Re: Who else is building at Oran Park? 4924Sep 21, 2015 7:54 pm reddevil_downunder Hi All, I have a newbie question. We are building with Champion Homes in 30A Tess Circuit. Slab was laid down last week and its exciting times. Having said that we received an invoice (contract variation) of $3841 for "deepend edge beams (DEB)". The invoice reads "Introduce a charge in amount of $3841 to provide additional 6.05 sqm of deepend edge beams (DEB). Total amount of DEB required on site was 6.05 meters. No allowance was made in tender for any DEB." I've just checked the tender and there is no mention of DEB. Every things sounds good so far, but I was just reading about DEB's and came across an article, which says that DEB's are ONLY required if an engineer recommends it and it's not for the builder to decide. Where would I find the council/engineer's recommendation. We are covered for 'H' class slab, does this DEB mean that slab was re-classified to 'P' or higher? Is there a cause for concern or is it common to receive this invoice (Not sure about the fall/slope). Please pardon my ignorance and thanks in advance for answering . I think what's happened is, your builder laid your slab and then realised that a DEB is required. If you didn't have any allowance for a DEB, they are entitled to charge you for it unfortunately. Based off the initial engineers report, a DEB was probably not required - until they came on site and started on your slab, then realised that one would be needed. Not sure how they initially didn't realise they needed a DEB though. That sort of stuff is usually firmed up before you go to site. $395 Fixed Priced Landscape Plans for DA M: 0435 127 244 | W: bluegumdesign.com.au | E: info@bluegumdesign.com.au Residential | Commercial | Industrial Re: Who else is building at Oran Park? 4925Sep 21, 2015 8:40 pm Brahma Bull reddevil_downunder Hi All, I have a newbie question. We are building with Champion Homes in 30A Tess Circuit. Slab was laid down last week and its exciting times. Having said that we received an invoice (contract variation) of $3841 for "deepend edge beams (DEB)". The invoice reads "Introduce a charge in amount of $3841 to provide additional 6.05 sqm of deepend edge beams (DEB). Total amount of DEB required on site was 6.05 meters. No allowance was made in tender for any DEB." I've just checked the tender and there is no mention of DEB. Every things sounds good so far, but I was just reading about DEB's and came across an article, which says that DEB's are ONLY required if an engineer recommends it and it's not for the builder to decide. Where would I find the council/engineer's recommendation. We are covered for 'H' class slab, does this DEB mean that slab was re-classified to 'P' or higher? Is there a cause for concern or is it common to receive this invoice (Not sure about the fall/slope). Please pardon my ignorance and thanks in advance for answering . I think what's happened is, your builder laid your slab and then realised that a DEB is required. If you didn't have any allowance for a DEB, they are entitled to charge you for it unfortunately. Based off the initial engineers report, a DEB was probably not required - until they came on site and started on your slab, then realised that one would be needed. Not sure how they initially didn't realise they needed a DEB though. That sort of stuff is usually firmed up before you go to site. Thanks for your response BB. To re-iterate your comment, I am a bit surprised that they felt DEB was not needed in their initial diagnosis. I was present during the Piering and feel that they would have known by then, if DEB's were indeed required. I was not informed of any variations until I received the invoice this arvo. Do you think it's worth waiting for a few more opinions before paying up or just pay up and move on? My lender keeps warning me about Champion Homes, hence the need to confirm. Ta Re: Who else is building at Oran Park? 4926Sep 21, 2015 8:52 pm Man you can dispute the charge. Thats un ethical, when you signed the contract didnt they say its a fixed price contract. If so all unforseen costs should be covered by builder. Re: Who else is building at Oran Park? 4927Sep 21, 2015 8:53 pm BTW WHAT IS THE SLOPE OF YOUR LAND.IF IT IS UPTO 0 .5 metre a drop edge beam is not required Re: Who else is building at Oran Park? 4928Sep 21, 2015 9:11 pm Hey red devil, sorry about ur post and the extra charge. What lot are you on? We are in the same street and building with beechwood and have just formed the land and put the pipes in Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Re: Who else is building at Oran Park? 4929Sep 21, 2015 9:13 pm Check your tender and contract, but unless you have fixed costs for those sorts of things, it will be very hard to get out of that. But yes, by all means question it - And make sure they actually put in a DEB. It's pretty obvious if they have or not. But yes, no idea how they didn't put it into the site costs in the first place. As if they didn't know. $395 Fixed Priced Landscape Plans for DA M: 0435 127 244 | W: bluegumdesign.com.au | E: info@bluegumdesign.com.au Residential | Commercial | Industrial Re: Who else is building at Oran Park? 4930Sep 21, 2015 9:19 pm Hi BB, I have checked with some guys and if the fall is upto 0.5m the drop edge beam is not necessary. It is used to retain soil in the case of cut and fill. But if the cut and fill is more than 0.5m then they may recommend a DEB as the slab may crack due to soil moment. Re: Who else is building at Oran Park? 4931Sep 21, 2015 9:19 pm I am not sure what red devil cut and fill is.. Re: Who else is building at Oran Park? 4932Sep 21, 2015 9:35 pm venniechada I am not sure what red devil cut and fill is.. Hi all, Thank you all for your responses. I've been frantically trying to find the plans with detailed sketches(fall etc.), but couldn't find them. Will find them tomorrow and post the exact details. But yeah, I did check the tender and contract and there is no mention of DEB's, hence assuming that we have to pay up. Will call them tomorrow and ask them as to how they didn't know about it before. Re: Who else is building at Oran Park? 4933Sep 21, 2015 9:37 pm Amanda83 Hey red devil, sorry about ur post and the extra charge. What lot are you on? We are in the same street and building with beechwood and have just formed the land and put the pipes in Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Amanda, we are on lot 3030 Tess Circuit.BTW, how do I upload pics from the mobile? Re: Who else is building at Oran Park? 4934Sep 22, 2015 6:45 am Oh great, we are lot 3061. So just down the road . It's great to meet the neighbours. The land next door to ours has just sold last week for $510k and I think it's only 540sq m. It's crazy!!! To upload pics, click the + button the right of where you type a message, then it comes up with another screen and you click the second button to the left (it's a squared box with pic of a sun and hill) that will take u to your camera roll and you can select the pics as you. Re: Who else is building at Oran Park? 4935Sep 22, 2015 9:08 am reddevil_downunder venniechada I am not sure what red devil cut and fill is.. Hi all, Thank you all for your responses. I've been frantically trying to find the plans with detailed sketches(fall etc.), but couldn't find them. Will find them tomorrow and post the exact details. But yeah, I did check the tender and contract and there is no mention of DEB's, hence assuming that we have to pay up. Will call them tomorrow and ask them as to how they didn't know about it before. Did you check your GEOTECH and in detail contour survey report? Did champion gave it to you? This is basically done once land registers. This would give you a lot of details about the soil type, slope, which kind of slab you need etc etc. If you signed for a fixed price contract and in the "disclaimer section", which is at the end of the contract. If it didn't talk about drop edge beam. Simply dispute with champion. As they cant charge you. Ask them for your GEOTECH report and ask them to prove it to you that a drop edge beam is needed. But firstly, just check the slope of your block.. FYI - Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Cheerio OB! Re: Who else is building at Oran Park? 4936Sep 22, 2015 9:10 am Amanda83 Hey red devil, sorry about ur post and the extra charge. What lot are you on? We are in the same street and building with beechwood and have just formed the land and put the pipes in Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Hi Amanda83, Nice pics. Did your block had slope? If yes how much slope was it? And how much drop edge beam was required. Cheerio OB! Re: Who else is building at Oran Park? 4937Sep 22, 2015 12:22 pm 1st_HomeBuyer reddevil_downunder venniechada I am not sure what red devil cut and fill is.. Hi all, Thank you all for your responses. I've been frantically trying to find the plans with detailed sketches(fall etc.), but couldn't find them. Will find them tomorrow and post the exact details. But yeah, I did check the tender and contract and there is no mention of DEB's, hence assuming that we have to pay up. Will call them tomorrow and ask them as to how they didn't know about it before. Did you check your GEOTECH and in detail contour survey report? Did champion gave it to you? This is basically done once land registers. This would give you a lot of details about the soil type, slope, which kind of slab you need etc etc. If you signed for a fixed price contract and in the "disclaimer section", which is at the end of the contract. If it didn't talk about drop edge beam. Simply dispute with champion. As they cant charge you. Ask them for your GEOTECH report and ask them to prove it to you that a drop edge beam is needed. But firstly, just check the slope of your block.. FYI - Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Hi All, We bought a Home and Land Package from champion homes in February and the land was not registered at the time. The tender does not include any provision for DEB's and unfortunately, there is not much we can do in this regard from the sounds of things. We have not received any GEOTECH report from the builder until now, but I do know that our slab classification is H-1. I was looking at the docs, but could not determine the slope/fill etc from them and I'm not proud of accepting it either (Can PM one of the knowledgeable users, if they can have a look at the docs and let me know). This is the response I got from the builder's rep: When your Tender was completed, your land was unregistered, this means we were unable to obtain a contour survey. DEB’s were introduced to your plans after your land registered and we received the contour survey. Upon receiving the contour survey we were able to confirm the location of the Sewer Main Hole at the rear left hand side boundary. It is because of the position of the Sewer Main Hole that DEB’s were required, as it is a statutory condition that we cannot fill over the SMH. We would include a provisional allowance for DEB's at an earlier stage if your land had been registered and we had been given the opportunity to complete a contour survey by a qualified surveyor but this was not the case. We cannot obtain a survey unless the land is registered. Even then we would be unable to provide an fixed price for this prior to the work being completed on site, as we require the total m2 measured on site to provide the cost. There is a lot more involved with DEB's then just the concrete component, we require additional supply of bricks, labour for the brickies, sand and cement costs, brick cleaning and additional scaffolding. This is a deemed statutory requirement and we would not be able to build your home without complying with this requirement. Our engineer and certifier are required to complete inspections and if we did not comply you would not be able to obtain your Occupation Certificate. Does this explanation sound reasonable? This is our first time building a house, so don't know much about a lot of things and please excuse my questions if they sound amateurish. Regards to All Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Re: Who else is building at Oran Park? 4938Sep 22, 2015 12:36 pm thats B***S**. my land was not registered and still EBH with permission of oran park staff did the Contour survey/Geotech survey and gave me the clear picture of what the land slope is and what soil is? you are entittled to get the Geotech survey report. there will be also a sewer peg out survey for getting an approval from the water board. you should also be getting this sewer perout survey report. I have asked EBH and they were happy to provide to me. yes they are right about the last para. There is a lot more involved with DEB's then just the concrete component, we require additional supply of bricks, labour for the brickies, sand and cement costs, brick cleaning(does not agree as it goes underground) and additional scaffolding. This is a deemed statutory requirement and we would not be able to build your home without complying with this requirement. Our engineer and certifier are required to complete inspections and if we did not comply you would not be able to obtain your Occupation Certificate Re: Who else is building at Oran Park? 4939Sep 22, 2015 7:35 pm Correct. Doesn't have to be registered to get a contour/geotech. Pretty lazy by the builder. However, they are right though. They cannot firm up site costs without having these engineering reports done. With Clarendon, they told us to put a provisional allowance in for site costs in case things like DEB and other things were required. Otherwise, you can get nasty surprises. So we had a PA of $10,000 put in. Once the report came back, we needed $5000 for rock removal (As another PA) and $5000 was used on extra running of electrical stuff and some other junk. Your builder should have put a site costs PA in your tender to save you from these sort of surprises. $395 Fixed Priced Landscape Plans for DA M: 0435 127 244 | W: bluegumdesign.com.au | E: info@bluegumdesign.com.au Residential | Commercial | Industrial Re: Who else is building at Oran Park? 4940Sep 22, 2015 8:22 pm venniechada thats B***S**. my land was not registered and still EBH with permission of oran park staff did the Contour survey/Geotech survey and gave me the clear picture of what the land slope is and what soil is? you are entittled to get the Geotech survey report. there will be also a sewer peg out survey for getting an approval from the water board. you should also be getting this sewer perout survey report. I have asked EBH and they were happy to provide to me. yes they are right about the last para. There is a lot more involved with DEB's then just the concrete component, we require additional supply of bricks, labour for the brickies, sand and cement costs, brick cleaning(does not agree as it goes underground) and additional scaffolding. This is a deemed statutory requirement and we would not be able to build your home without complying with this requirement. Our engineer and certifier are required to complete inspections and if we did not comply you would not be able to obtain your Occupation Certificate Hi venniechada, I've asked for the Geotech report and they emailed it to me, however I could not find any information in regards to DEB's in that. In regards to sewer pegs, this is what the rep told me - "we did not have Sewer peg out as it was not required. We worked from WAC". Shouldn't the DEB's that were added be reflected in some document (building plan or some other doc)? Could you/anyone please advise me as to what exactly should I ask for when I email the builder. Regards to all. A survey must’ve completed by a certified surveyor. This form part of every DA requirement 3 223468 Thanks for your reply. I will just wait and see I guess. Trying to get some more information from our builder. 9 30233 |