Browse Forums Building A New House 1 Feb 10, 2013 5:04 pm We are looking to build the Geneva Q1 with Henly and I am trying to get the most out of the lighting allowable for a 6 Star rating (5W/m2). We are going to get Henley's LED upgrade pack, which gives us 31 LED downlights throughout the master bedroom/living areas/kitchen and alfresco, but keeps standard batten lights in beds 2-4 and the main bathroom. Assuming Henley have the calculations correct, we have 31 LEDs to play with. I am worried that the kitchen does not have enough light, 2 x LEDs over the island and 2 between the island and the rear counter seems too little to me. I am tempted to reclaim the 4 that are slated to go in the alfresco and move a couple of them to the kitchen (below the cabinets either side of the rangehood) and at least one of them in an obvious dark spot in front of the warddrobe in the entrance to the master bedroom. We will be installing a fan with a light in the alfresco, so it will have some light at least to begin with. How easy is it to have an electrician come in and install half a dozen extra LEDs after we move in? I am worried about messing around in the ceiling could compromise the insulation, should I be worried? How have others dealt with the 6-Star restrictions on lighting? The LED lighting plan devised by Henly is at as follows: https://www.dropbox.com/s/ijwjfm0bx28knpj/original%20LED%20lighting%20plan.JPG Re: LED lighting and 6 Star energy ratings. 2Feb 10, 2013 6:23 pm Yeah I would make those 4 kitchen downlight's 6 and also a must is to have under cabinet lights. Be careful with their light "packages" though, no doubt they are charging a large premium- what's the cost for LED? Advise to get to them to prewire lights only (battne holders) then buy your own downlights to fit after handover. Build Thread: viewtopic.php?f=31&t=57639 Re: LED lighting and 6 Star energy ratings. 3Feb 10, 2013 6:47 pm plucka Yeah I would make those 4 kitchen downlight's 6 and also a must is to have under cabinet lights. Be careful with their light "packages" though, no doubt they are charging a large premium- what's the cost for LED? Advise to get to them to prewire lights only (battne holders) then buy your own downlights to fit after handover. yes I understand we will be paying a premium to have them done by Henley, however the more we can get included and can put on the mortgage, the more money we will have left for post handover items such as landscaping, fencing, furniture etc. So it's a balancing act that no doubt everyone goes through. I would love to just get batten holders all over the place, and put in LED later but I assume that for the 6 star rating each batten will be counted as at least 60W, maybe more, whether we have a lightbulb in it or not. So it ends up only being about 1 per room. What I'm really worried about is how hard or easy is it to have extra downlights installed later, will adding them compromise the ceiling insulation? having never owned my own house before and only lived in appallingly insulated rental accomodation I want to get this right. BTW I am definately going LED over halogen as I have always hated halogen, they are just too darn hot! Re: LED lighting and 6 Star energy ratings. 4Feb 10, 2013 8:32 pm While Henley are supplying you "their" LED lights and globes I suggest you look at the numerous LED threads on here re lighting. You will see there are LED light and Led lights!! See if it is possible for you to supply the lights. They will no doubt be charging a huge premium for the lights themselves. Check the lights they supply re output and what you can get if you purchase yourself, probably for a much cheaper price. Settlement 1/2/12 New Shed 23/3/12 Slab poured 27/3/12 Frame complete 4/5/12 Roof complete 1/6/12 LOCKUP 29/6/12 Our new build blog http://kareenhillsownerbuild.blogspot.com/ Re: LED lighting and 6 Star energy ratings. 5Feb 11, 2013 11:29 am ugbug What I'm really worried about is how hard or easy is it to have extra downlights installed later, will adding them compromise the ceiling insulation? having never owned my own house before and only lived in appallingly insulated rental accomodation I want to get this right. Could be difficult to add the extra wiring once walls and ceiling are boarded up. Yes in theory all downlights will compromise ceiling insulation as you are making many small holes in your insulation, whether this makes any noticable difference to room temperatures though very hard to say. At least with LED your not adding lots of heat compared to halogens. Build Thread: viewtopic.php?f=31&t=57639 Re: LED lighting and 6 Star energy ratings. 6Feb 11, 2013 2:10 pm delatite13 While Henley are supplying you "their" LED lights and globes I suggest you look at the numerous LED threads on here re lighting. You will see there are LED light and Led lights!! See if it is possible for you to supply the lights. They will no doubt be charging a huge premium for the lights themselves. Check the lights they supply re output and what you can get if you purchase yourself, probably for a much cheaper price. Agree to an extent. Do you want dimmable - are there's ? This is not a simple thing. We're planning 2 rows of 3 in kitchen - one row above island bench and one row above kitchen area. Also - we have a skylight. BUT - in saying that - we found them almost recommending you do it all afterwards. However, we found it a good price to use their person to wire up and (later) install - while we got the LED downlight kits. We also got them to do a few other things. People tell you how cheap it is to get an electrician afterwards to do it all. I've heard claims of $40 an hour - or $20 a kit. If you can find an electrician who works for this good luck. Also - you have warranties on the house and insurance to think about. Who takes the blame if you have a problem but Henley didn't do the wiring - or installation of the lights - AND a light is at fault ? Its a minor cost to use them IMO. If you use your own electrician make sure you get a qualified one AND a certificate of installation - just in case of problems later on. Having a 5 year warranty and getting want you think it covers are two different things. Re: LED lighting and 6 Star energy ratings. 7Feb 11, 2013 2:46 pm delatite13 You will see there are LED light and Led lights!! Agree with this. Two LED bulbs rated @ 9W each can give off totally different outputs and spreads. While you may be able to get away with 4 lights in one area with a particular brand, you might need 6 using a different brand. ugbug LED over halogen as I have always hated halogen, they are just too darn hot! LEDs get hot too - you just need to check out the heatspreaders that sit on top of them. Re: LED lighting and 6 Star energy ratings. 8Feb 11, 2013 3:20 pm LED's don't really get to high temps, not compared to halogen's anyway. However the chips/circuity are very sensitive to heat, hence the use of heatsinks on them. Avoid the el cheapo ebay LED's with no/minimal heatsinks, once they overheat they die early. Build Thread: viewtopic.php?f=31&t=57639 Re: LED lighting and 6 Star energy ratings. 9Feb 11, 2013 6:05 pm I believe the Henley 9W LED are the same as MainVue - we were told this is what we were getting. http://www.octalex.com.au/1_OGL_LED%20d ... 9_04-Z.pdf S16-W09-W is the code for Warm White. We ended up getting 21LEDs. We put 3 over the bench and 3 between the two benches. 6 in the family, 4 in the dining etc. We have not started the build yet so do not know how they look yet. Everyone tells me that these are good LEDs and 9w is sufficient - but who really knows. Re: LED lighting and 6 Star energy ratings. 10Feb 11, 2013 8:16 pm mmm, the beam angle on those looks quite tight, u want a wide beam angle otherwise you get a spotlight effect. That might be ok for closely spaced downlights say in your kitchen but for living/bedroom you want a wide a beam as possible. What are they charging you for these? Build Thread: viewtopic.php?f=31&t=57639 Re: LED lighting and 6 Star energy ratings. 11Feb 11, 2013 9:43 pm Oh gosh......yet another thing to worry about! Lol! Don't mean to hijack this thread but I initially wanted down lights but my guy hates them with such a passion that it's quite shocking really, lol. So we were talking about just getting batten lights but I seriously HATE those big ugly bright batten lights so would have to get pendants to diffuse them as well as dimmers. and then just imagining having to be sure all the pendants harmonize, plus the cost of them plus getting them installed....*dizzy*! HD Re: LED lighting and 6 Star energy ratings. 12Feb 11, 2013 11:28 pm I cant stand down lights either, but they are a necessary evil, I have chosen 180 deg spread comercial grade 15 and 12w, spot down lights are great for magazine picture but useless in real life unless you have a whole lot of them, my 2c 10 years ago was a different software than we use now. it has had a lot of changes over the past years. Improvments to the software and changes to how Nathers models need… 8 1513 go upvc window frames ensure insulation under colorbond. not just sarking, lighter color roof also not sure if you have seen this viewtopic.php?t=5823 last couple of pages… 4 110576 |