Folks,
My builder has offered to either pull out and redo some (a lot of) defective brickwork and redo it or to cement render the entire home.
What would you do?
Thanks,
Jamie
Browse Forums Building A New House Re: Poor brickwork - render or pull out and redo? 2Apr 16, 2008 12:17 pm Where abouts on the house is the affected brickwork? Re: Poor brickwork - render or pull out and redo? 3Apr 16, 2008 12:51 pm Everywhere unfortunately. There are a couple of small walls where another (better) bricklayer was used and those areas are fine. I'd say about 80-90% of the walls have defective brickwork. The original bricklayer was sacked.
The mortar does not have enough cement and is starting to come away from the bricks and is cracked in a number of areas (especially around the taps). Some of the bricks are cracked as well, particularly around windows and doors. Re: Poor brickwork - render or pull out and redo? 4Apr 16, 2008 12:57 pm jamie!
Bonus... Go the render if you like the look (i do) as it is a good compromise IMO Re: Poor brickwork - render or pull out and redo? 6Apr 16, 2008 1:03 pm My question is IF the brickwork is THAT bad, isn't the render going to crack over time too?
have you had the work inspected independantly? I would say give the builder the direction to re-brick and IF you are still not happy (say if the mortar looked different or you still didn't like the job - and get this in writing too), then you should be offered the opportunity to render it at no cost or inconvenience to you. I would then say that the "skeleton of the house" is in tact and there should be no issues with render cracking down the track. A render job over poor brickwork as you've mentioned above is asking for trouble, IMO. Have you posted pics of the brickwork in any other threads for us to have a look at? Re: Poor brickwork - render or pull out and redo? 7Apr 16, 2008 2:51 pm I totally agree with Phoenix - her comments make absolute sense.
You surely don't want to render over defective brickwork - can you imagine your house 10 years down the track & what costly problems you might have then? ![]() Your builder has to replace the brickwork, afterall they should have been supervising the brickie's work !? Why did they not pick up on the poor workmanship a lot sooner? Also, ir you do finally render, it will mean high maintenance costs down the track - another reason for not going down that path. Good luck Re: Poor brickwork - render or pull out and redo? 8Apr 16, 2008 3:11 pm ![]() The mortar does not have enough cement and is starting to come away from the bricks and is cracked in a number of areas (especially around the taps). Some of the bricks are cracked as well, particularly around windows and doors. Before this comment, I would have said go with render. This comment scares me, perhaps I am reading too much into it. I have however known someone who survived a wall collapsing and falling onto them. They were VERY badly scarred but lucky to still be alive. I would not want to have to worry about that happening at my home. Collapsing walls are more common than we like to think. Unless you are 100% sure about the integrity of the walls (independent inspection) get the whole shooting lot redone ![]() ![]() Safety First Re: Poor brickwork - render or pull out and redo? 9Apr 16, 2008 3:12 pm ![]() I would say give the builder the direction to re-brick and IF you are still not happy (say if the mortar looked different or you still didn't like the job - and get this in writing too), then you should be offered the opportunity to render it at no cost or inconvenience to you. 100% concur....my brother had a similar issue on his recently finished house....the builder wanted to bag over crappy brickwork.. They repaired it and was passed by an independent building surveyor as sound, but aesthetically it was awful. Bro ended up getting it bagged by as P said - not necessarily the "look" he was after - but at least he had the peace of mind that the brickwork was sound. mmm....donuts Homer Simpson 1956- Links: Site Costs Ready Reckoner | H1 Addiction Medical Advice | Château TDL: The Backyard Re: Poor brickwork - render or pull out and redo? 10Apr 16, 2008 4:27 pm Thanks everyone.
I think we will re-brick. We've had some of the brickwork redone previously by a different bricklayer and the quality is a lot better. The rectified work really shows up the shoddiness of the original job. Re: Poor brickwork - render or pull out and redo? 11Apr 16, 2008 7:27 pm Get it rebricked...
It's easier to render down the track then to rebrick when the walls start cracking, and they will! Electrical Engineer... Don't hold that against me... And keen owner builder... Mainly the building part!! Re: Poor brickwork - render or pull out and redo? 13Apr 17, 2008 11:54 pm It is being re-bricked. The builder told me they have to rebrick the entire house because the brick batches might not match. They're going to do the house in sections to avoid exposing it to the weather.
I don't think they were too happy about it, but oh well. Re: Poor brickwork - render or pull out and redo? 14Apr 18, 2008 12:04 am Excellent result- Well Done!!!!
You've got to be happy with that!!!! ![]() ![]() ![]() Re: Poor brickwork - render or pull out and redo? 15Apr 18, 2008 12:34 am ![]() I don't think they were too happy about it, but oh well. Didims to them....good result to you....if they got it right the first time then.....? mmm....donuts Homer Simpson 1956- Links: Site Costs Ready Reckoner | H1 Addiction Medical Advice | Château TDL: The Backyard Re: Poor brickwork - render or pull out and redo? 16Apr 18, 2008 9:04 am I guess I'm happy they're going to rebrick but I'm unhappy in that the house is pretty much finished apart from the brickwork and they've known about the brickwork for 3 months. I finally escalated the issue above my site supervisor and CSR to get some action.
What sours the relationship more is the amount of trouble in other areas as well. A couple of examples are that they expect me to wear the loss and damage risk of having my rangehood in the house while they still have the keys to the house because they made a mistake on the kitchen design. The second example is that I had to fight with them to vent the rangehood outside as well (was going to be vented into the ceiling). I still don't know what their intentions are there. That's just one of about 5 major issues with the kitchen (and that's only one room). It appears as though if they can save 10 seconds, they will, and hope I don't notice the ******* work. The site supervisor almost never accepts the work is **. I need to escalate almost everything. Re: Poor brickwork - render or pull out and redo? 17Apr 18, 2008 9:27 am Sorry, to here about your experience
![]() What sours the relationship more is the amount of trouble in other areas as well. A couple of examples are that they expect me to wear the loss and damage risk of having my rangehood in the house while they still have the keys to the house because they made a mistake on the kitchen design. I don't believe that is acceptable, you are not responsible for damage that occurs to any appliance, fitting, window, etc etc, that occurs during the construction. It's a simple legal principle which is embodied in the contract, by signing the contract you give you contractor "possession" of site, they are then responsible for the site. Until they hand the keys to you and give you back "possession" there is no way you can prevent damage and it's not your responsibility. It's usually the reason why they only install the kitchen appliance just before handover. By example, when I had handover the super requested the final payment, I gave him all monies minus what I had calculated the liquidated damages at. he said I had to pay in full up front and then be reimbursed by the office. I told him if that was the case I wouldn't take the keys and he can be responsible for the appliances over the weekend....problem successfully resolved. ![]() The second example is that I had to fight with them to vent the rangehood outside as well (was going to be vented into the ceiling). I still don't know what their intentions are there. It's standard practice in single storeys (AFAIK) to vent the extraction fan to the roof space (yuk!!!) we had to pay extra for the vent. Just a tip when you get possession put a "Chinaman's Hat" on the vent....Bunnings will know what you mean. We had a couple of storms which left water on top of the hot plate, and the hat stops water coming in. They are generally simple gal finish which can be painted over. Stand firm and you'll get through....six months in you'll forget about the problems you're having now. mmm....donuts Homer Simpson 1956- Links: Site Costs Ready Reckoner | H1 Addiction Medical Advice | Château TDL: The Backyard Re: Poor brickwork - render or pull out and redo? 18Apr 18, 2008 11:46 am Jamie,
Spend $500 and get yourself an independant inspection.... It sounds like you have some real issues and down the track (if need be) you will have the reports to show the issues now and that they existed earlier etc. Good luck mate! Re: Poor brickwork - render or pull out and redo? 19Apr 18, 2008 6:47 pm Thanks guys.
I already have an inspector and he noted the brickwork quality and provided the impetus to get the brickwork redone. Just on the rangehood, I'm almost certain venting into a ceiling cavity is illegal. My inspector told me it needs to be vented to the atmosphere. Just imagine some of that cooking oil and grease vapour liquifying and landing on an exposed downlight fitting. There goes the house in a ceiling fire. Re: Poor brickwork - render or pull out and redo? 20Apr 18, 2008 6:58 pm ![]() Just on the rangehood, I'm almost certain venting into a ceiling cavity is illegal. My inspector told me it needs to be vented to the atmosphere. Just imagine some of that cooking oil and grease vapour liquifying and landing on an exposed downlight fitting. There goes the house in a ceiling fire. I stand corrected I did a quick internet search and whilst not illegal it apparently would conflict with Australian Standards AS4386.2 Kitchen Assemblies. Noting that this is a standard giving "best practice" and not a regulation and therefore not enforceable.... ![]() But you could throw that back on the super...it's probably also then covered by the Building Code of Australia but the last time I mentioned that document to a builder they had an extremely blank look on their face..... ![]() mmm....donuts Homer Simpson 1956- Links: Site Costs Ready Reckoner | H1 Addiction Medical Advice | Château TDL: The Backyard Thanks for the informative response! I'll feed that back to the site supervisor. 2 2378 Black on light wood does look good. Not sure if it will be as long lasting as a steel finish? 6 2529 |