Browse Forums Building A New House 1 Jan 16, 2013 8:24 am Hi Everyone! Meeting with our Electrician tonight to do our electrical plan. I am really keen to hear of any advice/thoughts/ tips/tricks that you thought of or wish you had thought of when you built! Want to get this one right! Cheers. Re: Electrical Plan - Tips and Tricks 2Jan 16, 2013 9:08 am ktotherose Hi Everyone! Meeting with our Electrician tonight to do our electrical plan. I am really keen to hear of any advice/thoughts/ tips/tricks that you thought of or wish you had thought of when you built! Want to get this one right! Cheers. I'd: 1. Go 3 phase. 2. Always double pp - not single. 3. Look around the plan/house etc and try to work out where you need pp's - eg bedrooms, bathrooms - one at each end of bench maybe etc. 4. If you have a phone - with answering machine - it may need a pp. 5. Deals on solar power. 6. Outside power needs ? 7. Garage needs ? 8. Fans ? 9. Aircon needs. 10. Pool - outside box ? 11. Dimmers on lights ? Sets for certain rooms ? 12. Outside spots/security lights ? 13. Location of TV/PC/Sound System etc. Its always easier & generally cheaper to do it at the start than get them back ... Re: Electrical Plan - Tips and Tricks 3Jan 16, 2013 10:55 am My tip is to imagine you are walking through the home at night turning the lights on and off. If you turn a light off and are standing in the dark you obviously need a switch (most likely 2 way) next to the one you turned off so you don't fall over things. Don't forget your external lighting and on the dead side of the house would recommend a sensor light. Also remember the external power point for the alfresco and we put one on the side of the garage for the gerni. I am not a downlight fan and have none in this house, much prefer nice light shades, but to each their own. I have fluorescent lights in the garage, ensuite, pantry, kitchen, alfresco and bathroom. A lot of people don’t like fluoros but they are available in many shapes and sizes. I have fan/lights in the bedrooms, the study and hubby’s gym. Love them especially recently when it's still quite warm at 1am and the fan is just ticking over on low and an aircon would have blocked my nose and frozen my little pointy things. Put in heaps of double power points, at least two per bedroom, one more than you think for your TV areas, and ample where you will use your appliances, iron, vacuum, phone charger etc. Do you need one in the front and rear hall for the vacuum, do you want one at the end of the kitchen bench for the sandwich maker? Think about where to put your switches in the entry hall as most plans have them at the front door. We left the switch for the front external lights at the front door but moved the switch for the hall lights next to the internal door from the garage. Top idea as 90% of the time we enter the house from the garage. Lastly, make sure you have heaps of two way switches, we have seven and use them all regularly, money well spent. Sorry for the ramble, should have just put up our plan. Regards, Grumbles Re: Electrical Plan - Tips and Tricks 4Jan 16, 2013 11:21 am Don't apologise grumbles - it's all good stuff. Saint mike had some good points too. I'm struggling with this at the moment, particularly from the data aspect and also because our builder use a (from what I've been told) substandard supplier of switches, etc. Ktotherose - at least you get to deal with an electrician for your electrical. I think we are on our own / get the prestart lady to deal with. Re: Electrical Plan - Tips and Tricks 5Jan 16, 2013 11:58 am SmithiesWife Don't apologise grumbles - it's all good stuff. Saint mike had some good points too. I'm struggling with this at the moment, particularly from the data aspect and also because our builder use a (from what I've been told) substandard supplier of switches, etc. Ktotherose - at least you get to deal with an electrician for your electrical. I think we are on our own / get the prestart lady to deal with. one tip that many seem to miss is there normally is a case when you get close to loading up a circuit usually it is something like 15 single power points or 7 double power points. My advice is that if you know your coming to the end of your contacts be smart, know where you will have double or quad power points and simply put in a single point and later after hand over you can change them over to things like quad power points. You won't overload the circuit as you will never use all the points on the circuit at the same time at the maximum capacity. I was quoted an arm and a leg for installing a quad power point yet to wire it it is the same and the contact can be had for around $25, and changing over a single to a double is the same but you save yourself hundreds on an extra circuit. Remember every circuit will cost you money I think from memory it costed me around $250 - $300 per additional circuit. You will never use each circuit at capacity all at once. Re: Electrical Plan - Tips and Tricks 6Jan 16, 2013 12:35 pm AWESOME tips guys. Especially the two way switches. I had forgotten about that. I have lots of rooms that can be entered two ways! Re: Electrical Plan - Tips and Tricks 7Jan 16, 2013 3:32 pm Hi there.there is an excellent thread posted somewhere on this forum 'things you forget' that also has an list of items inc electrical to consider in your build. Building McDonald Jones Bronte Manor One Contracts Signed Dec 12 DA Lodged Jan 13 DA Consent w/BAL40 Apr 13. S96 Consent w/BAL19 May 13. Slab Complete Jun 13. Frame Brick & Roof Complete Aug 13. Re: Electrical Plan - Tips and Tricks 9Jan 16, 2013 4:24 pm There a quite a number of tips on my blog at http://www.anewhouse.com.au/?cat=32 The Harder You Try - the Luckier You Get ! Web site http://www.anewhouse.com.au Informative, Amusing, and Opinionated Blog - Over 600 posts on all aspects of building a new house. Re: Electrical Plan - Tips and Tricks 10Jan 16, 2013 4:37 pm thanks for all the tips will be very handy at electrical appointment next week Re: Electrical Plan - Tips and Tricks 11Jan 16, 2013 4:47 pm can I also suggest, if your on a budget... get wiring in the places you will have a pain in the hiney putting it later... you can upgrade power points to doubles/quads at anytime you cannot easily and cleanly run cable/conduit to outside walls you can easily upgrade lights in a single story house you cannot easily put downlights in the bottom story of a double story house, especially if you have insulation between levels. you can also fairly easily get conduit put in to allow future wiring. you'll find that a lot of places give you two prices for telephone vs data outlet, data outlets can be $60 + more expensive, yet you'll find they are running cat5e for telephony, if you need the spare money, throw telephone points everywere and upgrade them (depending how you do it) for maybe $5 a point later, this gets the correct cable in the walls, there is NO point to anyone upgrading to cat 6 from 5, so don't worry about that. get "telephone" cabling put into walls for stuff like intercoms, connected appliances (fridges, TV's do ALL TV points with data capable outlets) also look at the layout of your house and decide on a central location for all cables to go to. Slooowwwwly getting a Manhatten 35 in Middleton Grange Re: Electrical Plan - Tips and Tricks 12Jan 17, 2013 9:48 am Saint Mike ktotherose Hi Everyone! Meeting with our Electrician tonight to do our electrical plan. I am really keen to hear of any advice/thoughts/ tips/tricks that you thought of or wish you had thought of when you built! Want to get this one right! Cheers. I'd: 1. Go 3 phase. Roughly what's the install cost difference between single phase and 3 phase, out of curiosity? Built the Henley Monaco Nouveau Q1 Mk2 in 2015.. Currently contemplating another new build Re: Electrical Plan - Tips and Tricks 13Jan 17, 2013 10:58 am grbeattie Saint Mike ktotherose Hi Everyone! Meeting with our Electrician tonight to do our electrical plan. I am really keen to hear of any advice/thoughts/ tips/tricks that you thought of or wish you had thought of when you built! Want to get this one right! Cheers. I'd: 1. Go 3 phase. Roughly what's the install cost difference between single phase and 3 phase, out of curiosity? we got quoted 2.5k heard some people on the forums say $600 so i guess you will need to ask you relectrical guy Initial Deposit 28/09/2012 // Prelim Contract Signed 25/11/2012 Selections 21/1/2013 to 23/1/2013 // Contract Signed 22/2/2013 Site Start 21/5/2013 // Slabbed 30/5/2013 Re: Electrical Plan - Tips and Tricks 14Jan 17, 2013 12:51 pm As far as electrical tips, one I thought was great is to consider future upgrades for powerpoints when you install them - consider what's on the opposite wall. For example, if you have two rooms back-to-back, later on you can run a new powerpoint that backs off the one in the other room if it's an adjacent wall. I also strongly advise you run conduit to data cabling if your builder permits it or gives you the option, for future upgradability. MR2 there is NO point to anyone upgrading to cat 6 from 5, so don't worry about that. Speak for yourself. Want to watch me saturate a GigEth link? Yeah, that's what I thought. Try not to judge everyone elses requirements. As an IT professional and software dev, I'm regularly running stuff at the moment that saturates gigabit. We plan to run 10GBase-T between a couple of cores at the new house, we currently run fibre. Building a Delta 21 at Craigieburn - http://homeofzero.blogspot.com.au/ Deposit: 26/02. Contract: 22/05. Settlement: 29/05. Site start: 18/10. Re: Electrical Plan - Tips and Tricks 15Jan 17, 2013 12:59 pm people who are going to make use of more than cat5e would be wise to just run fibre, there is no difference between saturating cat5e and cat6 unless you do a ridiculously long run So, my general recommendation stands. Slooowwwwly getting a Manhatten 35 in Middleton Grange Re: Electrical Plan - Tips and Tricks 16Jan 17, 2013 1:18 pm MR2 people who are going to make use of more than cat5e would be wise to just run fibre, there is no difference between saturating cat5e and cat6 unless you do a ridiculously long run So, my general recommendation stands. Actually, you'll begin to run into the ceiling with cat5 at around 80 meters. And 80 meters of wire isn't that much. Anyway, I think cabling is one thing that is worth spending a bit more on, in order to future proof the system. It's not as easy to upgrade as lightbulbs. So, if you can get access to Cat7 for a reasonable price (I can), it atleast will give me peace of mind with up to 1.2GHz bandwidth, depending on length. As for fibre: Fibre has a huge minus compared to coax: It doesn't carry power. Edit: Added a bit. Re: Electrical Plan - Tips and Tricks 17Jan 17, 2013 1:21 pm I'll happily agree with the suggestion of running Conduits 80 meters is a huge length of cable, I can't imagine anyone running that length around a normal house, let alone more! find me a device that is capable of saturating gigabit which can run off POE :p Another point I'd like to make, if your running all sorts of crazy gear your not going to be looking in this thread for suggestions, your already going to know what you need Slooowwwwly getting a Manhatten 35 in Middleton Grange Re: Electrical Plan - Tips and Tricks 18Jan 17, 2013 1:29 pm 80 meters aren't that long. Cables aren't necessarily run only from a central point to the data point, but often from one datapoint to another datapoint, so in reality you can be doubling the length of the actual path quite quickly.
As for finding something that can saturate a gigabit? How about streaming uncompressed 4K video at 8MP per frame, hitting over 6Gbps (quadruple that for 8K displays in the decade to come), and then add the rest of what will be going on on the network, including internet, streaming stuff for a big family, HDTV, and so on. MR2 Another point I'd like to make, if your running all sorts of crazy gear your not going to be looking in this thread for suggestions, your already going to know what you need So? That merely means that the lowest of the lowest, or the slowest of the slowest, isn't exactly "good enough" for everyone. In my mind, it pays to think of futureproofing. It means, that instead of thinking what will be just enough right now, is dead certain not to be good enough in, say, 7-10 years. Re: Electrical Plan - Tips and Tricks 20Jan 17, 2013 1:35 pm MR2 and none of the devices your suggesting can run on the power provided by POE No, but other equipment can. It's a network, so hopefully more than a 4K server and a 4K telly is to be connected to it. It's a network . If there have been changes, variations, during construction then the drawings should be revised, the building permit amended and the current, as built drawings given to… 2 4488 Just be careful with building stability during construction, that is when the structure may be weakened, refer to your engineering drawings for stability methodology. 1 7226 |