slab poured today, no sure if this is poor workmanship?

Damon · Apr 11, 2008 11:09 pm

hi guys,
our slab was poured today in point cook area,
i find a ? damage in the first picture
the second pic show the location of this damage
http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk318/damonhfcheng/garagecrackresized.jpg
http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk318/damonhfcheng/floorplan.jpg

is this acceptable / normal ? i can find no other nasty spot walking round the slab, what is the opinion from our slab specialist?

Damon

oznow · Apr 12, 2008 12:59 am

Hi Damon
It also happened to our slab. Mention it to your supervisor, and remind him the problem the corner will supporting significant weight of the building, and you are worrying about the overhang issue.

to_do_list · Apr 12, 2008 1:20 am

Welcome to Point Cook - my neck of the woods.

No "slab specialist" but my 2 bobs worth....

Looks like they didn't get enough concrete into the corner of the form rather than a problem at form stripping...relatively common on re-entrant corners of house slabs.

The brick wall will sit on the lower ledge and the bottom plate of the internal wall on the main house and garage slabs, you'll get an overhang, but not a major drama as the bottom plate will be otherwise well supported and connected to the slab for the rest of its length. Not a real "structural" issue.

As Oznow says talk to the super and get them to address it.

blessedpeople · Apr 12, 2008 1:37 am

i'm with the previous members. Please mention it to the supervisor.

Shady · Apr 12, 2008 2:01 am

to_do_list

The brick wall will sit on the lower ledge and the bottom plate of the internal wall on the main house and garage slabs, you'll get an overhang, but not a major drama as the bottom plate will be otherwise well supported and connected to the slab for the rest of its length. Not a real "structural" issue.

Not a problem and completely normal.

Structurally and cosmetically it will be fine

Damon · Apr 23, 2008 12:42 am

well our site supervisor think the last slab issue is minor and will be covered so he is not suggesting any remedy work,

this Monday we discovered another issue to the slab/Frame as per these photos,
the green circle in the floor plan shows the location of this overhanging sill plate:
http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk318/damonhfcheng/P1040041_resize.jpg
http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk318/damonhfcheng/P1040039_resize.jpg
http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk318/damonhfcheng/floorplan20080422.jpg

now, i am very concerned about the quality of this project so will definitely get an independent inspector to look at it, if anyone want to know how PD Lifestyle deal with my concern just bear wiht this post.

i can't get in touch with Kevin of New Home Inspection, has anyone tried JustInspections ?

to_do_list · Apr 23, 2008 12:50 am

Now that the walls are in place there's a better sense of scale, I would have thought that should be fixed. You're taking the right approach getting an inspector involved. Interested to see how you go.

Paula · Apr 23, 2008 11:06 am

Yes, get an independant inspector on the job, even to my untrained eye that looks *******. :wink:

Minx · Apr 23, 2008 4:28 pm

I suggest speak to your site supervisor and get in touch with an independent inspector if required.

Also you should check to see if it's within the standards and tolerances.

The slab issue would be cross referenced to Residential slabs and footings standards.

The frame overhang in the 1st issue would need to be cross referenced to I have no idea. Will ask my partner tonight. However I remember showing him someone else's over hang and i think he said that there is a 20mm tolerance. Don't quote me on it, will find out tonight though.

to_do_list · Apr 23, 2008 4:45 pm

Ausdesign (Residential Design and Detailing) mentioned this in:

https://forum.homeone.com.au/viewtopic.p ... t=overhang

ausdesign

Even though any overhang is classified as 'defective' , with a 90mm frame such as yours a max. of 10mm overhang is permitted with a max. of 15mm for brickwork.

Minx · Apr 23, 2008 5:00 pm

to_do_list

Ausdesign (Residential Design and Detailing) mentioned this in:

https://forum.homeone.com.au/viewtopic.p ... t=overhang

ausdesign

Even though any overhang is classified as 'defective' , with a 90mm frame such as yours a max. of 10mm overhang is permitted with a max. of 15mm for brickwork.

My partner just told me this now on the phone

sofar_sogood · Apr 23, 2008 7:13 pm

Hi Guys,
not an unusual event when stripping the slab to have sections that "scabble" at the time of removing the formwork. I had the same experience with my PD and once i raised it with my supervisor, which was after the frame was up, he had the concretors back on the job to ensure any unsupported bottom plate (overhang) was addressed prior to having the framework inspected by the relevant authority, which was approved. My experience tells me that a simple question raised with my supervisor in a polite and friendly manner always got the results that i required. At the end of the day PD has each stage of construction inspected by not only the building inspector but also the independent QA inspectors. Try the "stand back and let the supervisor act on his instinct and experience" and i am sure you will not be dissappointed. No stress here, hence sofar_sogood.

rock · Apr 23, 2008 9:48 pm

hi that look not right mate
may i ask what house your building?

sofar_sogood · Apr 23, 2008 10:58 pm

I am building a Francis 29, are you also building with Porter Davis?

perryr · Apr 24, 2008 12:02 am

I would have though that it's not good enough.

If you are building with PD, contact BSS who are the independent inspection service used by PD and have a chat with them. Send them the photos, and see what they think.

Their contact details can be found here:

http://www.perryr.com/homeblog/2008/04/bss-quality-inspections.html

Cheers

sofar_sogood · Apr 24, 2008 7:19 pm

The common thread seems to be hit the alarm and call in the the third party inspection team. All well and good if you have a lazy $500 ****** around. Does anyone know if the slab/framing issues have been adressed and rectified since the matter was raised with the super. I would have thought that the process would be : find a problem, report the problem, allow the time for due dillgence then problem rectified. Failing that then certainly a chat with a third party would be relevant. lets not forget that houses are built by human hands, and there are not many humans out there that are perfect. My 5 hundred is going towards my new fridge.

Yak_Chat · Apr 24, 2008 10:25 pm

Sofar so good. Said

Quote:

My 5 hundred is going towards my new fridge.

Yep that will work, and when an issue with the house that was not built properly.

Let me know how many $500 you spend getting it fixed. :shock:

Steve

Polo · Apr 24, 2008 10:58 pm

to_do_list · Apr 24, 2008 11:27 pm

sofar_sogood

The common thread seems to be hit the alarm and call in the the third party inspection team.

I think the common thread through this post has been talk to the super see how you go, if not satisfied, then get the third part inspector in.

I know my third party inspector saved me at least $500 through the project, and because I used him from the start (at contract stage) enabled me to recoup about $500 in liquidated damages because I was able to rewrite the clause so it was more balanced.

At the end of the day when you add up all the "savings" he didn't end up costing me and I had the peace of mind of an independent set of eyes.

Damon · Apr 25, 2008 12:45 am

hi guys,
thanks for following this post,
our frame stage officially finished on 23/4/08 ( well the Invoice was printed on this date)
thanks for providing useful input.

Hey, Perryr thanks for the BBS info, but ours quality inspector is the one who issue the building permit which is DJM Building Consultants( HQ@East Burwood), may be PD use different inspection according to area.

hi sofarsogood, this is a Nwstead 27 ( with 1 meter house length extension).

good news for today is both issues were fixed today by PD without involving third party, see photos here:
this first one in red circle:
http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk318/damonhfcheng/P1040062_resize.jpg
the second one in green circle:
http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk318/damonhfcheng/P1040059_resize.jpg

site super said these 2 needed to be fixed for DJM to approve the frame so there you go.. he also welcome third party inspection ......why do i still need third party inspection? like other said, an untrained eye can easily pick these 2 defects up , how about those only pro eyes can see? as i am quite a perfectionist i rather make it as good as i can afford now then wait for something wrong. super also remined me to send him third party inspection report ASAP so he can fix accordingly to get the construction uninteruppted, he also said he know roughly what Kevin will look at ( then why don't you tell me in the first place to save me $500? )

but at the end of the day ( with or without third party inspection) i think most of the houses built in Melbourne are quite good ( look at those millions dollars houses in Toorak built in 1960's, Kevin was not even borned to inspect them !! ) esp when building with a reputable builder, it is not at their best interest to build doggy house, so spend the money in the way you like , you won't regret as long as u feel comfortable.

this is what i feel comfprtable by now:
http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk318/damonhfcheng/P1040056_resize.jpg