Browse Forums Building A New House 1 Apr 11, 2008 10:09 pm hi guys,
our slab was poured today in point cook area, i find a ? damage in the first picture the second pic show the location of this damage http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk318/damonhfcheng/garagecrackresized.jpg http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk318/damonhfcheng/floorplan.jpg is this acceptable / normal ? i can find no other nasty spot walking round the slab, what is the opinion from our slab specialist? Damon Re: slab poured today, no sure if this is poor workmanship? 2Apr 11, 2008 11:59 pm Hi Damon
It also happened to our slab. Mention it to your supervisor, and remind him the problem the corner will supporting significant weight of the building, and you are worrying about the overhang issue. Re: slab poured today, no sure if this is poor workmanship? 3Apr 12, 2008 12:20 am Welcome to Point Cook - my neck of the woods.
No "slab specialist" but my 2 bobs worth.... Looks like they didn't get enough concrete into the corner of the form rather than a problem at form stripping...relatively common on re-entrant corners of house slabs. The brick wall will sit on the lower ledge and the bottom plate of the internal wall on the main house and garage slabs, you'll get an overhang, but not a major drama as the bottom plate will be otherwise well supported and connected to the slab for the rest of its length. Not a real "structural" issue. As Oznow says talk to the super and get them to address it. mmm....donuts Homer Simpson 1956- Links: Site Costs Ready Reckoner | H1 Addiction Medical Advice | Château TDL: The Backyard Re: slab poured today, no sure if this is poor workmanship? 4Apr 12, 2008 12:37 am i'm with the previous members. Please mention it to the supervisor. Re: slab poured today, no sure if this is poor workmanship? 5Apr 12, 2008 1:01 am to_do_list The brick wall will sit on the lower ledge and the bottom plate of the internal wall on the main house and garage slabs, you'll get an overhang, but not a major drama as the bottom plate will be otherwise well supported and connected to the slab for the rest of its length. Not a real "structural" issue. Not a problem and completely normal. Structurally and cosmetically it will be fine overhanging sill plate 6Apr 22, 2008 11:42 pm well our site supervisor think the last slab issue is minor and will be covered so he is not suggesting any remedy work,
this Monday we discovered another issue to the slab/Frame as per these photos, the green circle in the floor plan shows the location of this overhanging sill plate: http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk318/damonhfcheng/P1040041_resize.jpg http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk318/damonhfcheng/P1040039_resize.jpg http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk318/damonhfcheng/floorplan20080422.jpg now, i am very concerned about the quality of this project so will definitely get an independent inspector to look at it, if anyone want to know how PD Lifestyle deal with my concern just bear wiht this post. i can't get in touch with Kevin of New Home Inspection, has anyone tried JustInspections ? Re: slab poured today, no sure if this is poor workmanship? 7Apr 22, 2008 11:50 pm Now that the walls are in place there's a better sense of scale, I would have thought that should be fixed. You're taking the right approach getting an inspector involved. Interested to see how you go. mmm....donuts Homer Simpson 1956- Links: Site Costs Ready Reckoner | H1 Addiction Medical Advice | Château TDL: The Backyard Re: slab poured today, no sure if this is poor workmanship? 9Apr 23, 2008 3:28 pm I suggest speak to your site supervisor and get in touch with an independent inspector if required.
Also you should check to see if it's within the standards and tolerances. The slab issue would be cross referenced to Residential slabs and footings standards. The frame overhang in the 1st issue would need to be cross referenced to I have no idea. Will ask my partner tonight. However I remember showing him someone else's over hang and i think he said that there is a 20mm tolerance. Don't quote me on it, will find out tonight though. Re: slab poured today, no sure if this is poor workmanship? 10Apr 23, 2008 3:45 pm Ausdesign (Residential Design and Detailing) mentioned this in:
https://forum.homeone.com.au/viewtopic.p ... t=overhang ausdesign Even though any overhang is classified as 'defective' , with a 90mm frame such as yours a max. of 10mm overhang is permitted with a max. of 15mm for brickwork. mmm....donuts Homer Simpson 1956- Links: Site Costs Ready Reckoner | H1 Addiction Medical Advice | Château TDL: The Backyard Re: slab poured today, no sure if this is poor workmanship? 11Apr 23, 2008 4:00 pm to_do_list Ausdesign (Residential Design and Detailing) mentioned this in: https://forum.homeone.com.au/viewtopic.p ... t=overhang ausdesign Even though any overhang is classified as 'defective' , with a 90mm frame such as yours a max. of 10mm overhang is permitted with a max. of 15mm for brickwork. My partner just told me this now on the phone Re: slab poured today, no sure if this is poor workmanship? 12Apr 23, 2008 6:13 pm Hi Guys,
not an unusual event when stripping the slab to have sections that "scabble" at the time of removing the formwork. I had the same experience with my PD and once i raised it with my supervisor, which was after the frame was up, he had the concretors back on the job to ensure any unsupported bottom plate (overhang) was addressed prior to having the framework inspected by the relevant authority, which was approved. My experience tells me that a simple question raised with my supervisor in a polite and friendly manner always got the results that i required. At the end of the day PD has each stage of construction inspected by not only the building inspector but also the independent QA inspectors. Try the "stand back and let the supervisor act on his instinct and experience" and i am sure you will not be dissappointed. No stress here, hence sofar_sogood. Re: slab poured today, no sure if this is poor workmanship? 14Apr 23, 2008 9:58 pm I am building a Francis 29, are you also building with Porter Davis? Re: slab poured today, no sure if this is poor workmanship? 15Apr 23, 2008 11:02 pm I would have though that it's not good enough.
If you are building with PD, contact BSS who are the independent inspection service used by PD and have a chat with them. Send them the photos, and see what they think. Their contact details can be found here: http://www.perryr.com/homeblog/2008/04/bss-quality-inspections.html Cheers Re: slab poured today, no sure if this is poor workmanship? 16Apr 24, 2008 6:19 pm The common thread seems to be hit the alarm and call in the the third party inspection team. All well and good if you have a lazy $500 ****** around. Does anyone know if the slab/framing issues have been adressed and rectified since the matter was raised with the super. I would have thought that the process would be : find a problem, report the problem, allow the time for due dillgence then problem rectified. Failing that then certainly a chat with a third party would be relevant. lets not forget that houses are built by human hands, and there are not many humans out there that are perfect. My 5 hundred is going towards my new fridge. Re: slab poured today, no sure if this is poor workmanship? 17Apr 24, 2008 9:25 pm Sofar so good. Said
Quote: My 5 hundred is going towards my new fridge. Yep that will work, and when an issue with the house that was not built properly. Let me know how many $500 you spend getting it fixed. Steve Re: slab poured today, no sure if this is poor workmanship? 18Apr 24, 2008 9:58 pm Hi Guys,
My uncle has similar problem with the overhang but his is at the back of the garage. The site supervisor said building surveyor wouldn't pass it and that he will organise an engineer to take a look and then get the concreters back to fix the problem. Will wait and see. Below are pictures of the overhang. http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm155/belgrave2008/frameoverhangingaragearea1.jpg http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm155/belgrave2008/frameoverhangingaragearea2.jpg http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm155/belgrave2008/frameoverhangingaragearea3.jpg http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm155/belgrave2008/frameoverhangingaragearea4.jpg http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm155/belgrave2008/frameoverhangingaragearea5.jpg http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm155/belgrave2008/frameoverhangingaragearea6.jpg http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm155/belgrave2008/frameoverhangingaragearea7.jpg http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm155/belgrave2008/frameoverhangingaragearea8.jpg Re: slab poured today, no sure if this is poor workmanship? 19Apr 24, 2008 10:27 pm sofar_sogood The common thread seems to be hit the alarm and call in the the third party inspection team. I think the common thread through this post has been talk to the super see how you go, if not satisfied, then get the third part inspector in. I know my third party inspector saved me at least $500 through the project, and because I used him from the start (at contract stage) enabled me to recoup about $500 in liquidated damages because I was able to rewrite the clause so it was more balanced. At the end of the day when you add up all the "savings" he didn't end up costing me and I had the peace of mind of an independent set of eyes. mmm....donuts Homer Simpson 1956- Links: Site Costs Ready Reckoner | H1 Addiction Medical Advice | Château TDL: The Backyard issue fixed by now 20Apr 24, 2008 11:45 pm hi guys,
thanks for following this post, our frame stage officially finished on 23/4/08 ( well the Invoice was printed on this date) thanks for providing useful input. Hey, Perryr thanks for the BBS info, but ours quality inspector is the one who issue the building permit which is DJM Building Consultants( HQ@East Burwood), may be PD use different inspection according to area. hi sofarsogood, this is a Nwstead 27 ( with 1 meter house length extension). good news for today is both issues were fixed today by PD without involving third party, see photos here: this first one in red circle: http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk318/damonhfcheng/P1040062_resize.jpg the second one in green circle: http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk318/damonhfcheng/P1040059_resize.jpg site super said these 2 needed to be fixed for DJM to approve the frame so there you go.. he also welcome third party inspection ......why do i still need third party inspection? like other said, an untrained eye can easily pick these 2 defects up , how about those only pro eyes can see? as i am quite a perfectionist i rather make it as good as i can afford now then wait for something wrong. super also remined me to send him third party inspection report ASAP so he can fix accordingly to get the construction uninteruppted, he also said he know roughly what Kevin will look at ( then why don't you tell me in the first place to save me $500? ) but at the end of the day ( with or without third party inspection) i think most of the houses built in Melbourne are quite good ( look at those millions dollars houses in Toorak built in 1960's, Kevin was not even borned to inspect them !! ) esp when building with a reputable builder, it is not at their best interest to build doggy house, so spend the money in the way you like , you won't regret as long as u feel comfortable. this is what i feel comfprtable by now: http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk318/damonhfcheng/P1040056_resize.jpg Building Standards; Getting It Right! G’day everyone, I am reaching out to share my pre-lining building inspection report, hoping to gain insights from those who may have encountered similar instances of… 0 678 Hello needing some advice. I was about to build my Alfresco and needed a new slab and remove exisiting slab as its not standard. So they start to excavate and jackhammer… 0 10647 Thanks for the insights, that makes perfect sense, and yeah, I will be leaning on the experience of the excavator operator entirely. 6 16048 |