Browse Forums Building A New House 1 Dec 13, 2012 4:23 pm On my independent frame stage inspections I am regularly appalled at how badly the house frames are set out. Why? It seems they are designed by a dumb computer program with no regard for workmanship. I am told that the calculations justify truss loads and upper floor joists to bear on single top plate between studs. Perhaps they do but failure to set out frame so loads sit over studs is poor workmanship, lack of reasonable care and skill and a breach of workmanship warranties. A dumb computer program cannot predict what will happen in the future but I can because I have seen the past. I get to see how buildings perform under load in a few years time and this is what I regularly find: Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ This six year old home has cornice damage from truss sagging. Why?, truss loads have caused top plate to deflect! So now you know why I harp on about frame set out, proper support, load transfer and bracing. Foremost Building Expert in Australia,assisting with building problems/disputes, building stage inspections,pre-contract review advice for peace of mind 200 blogs http://www.buildingexpert.net.au/blog Re: House framing, the lost art of setting out! 2Feb 03, 2013 8:00 pm Hi. This is an internal wall, isnt it? Funny thing, I once had an owner go around and fill in the gap between truss chords and the internal wall plates. Guess you are busy? cheers Re: House framing, the lost art of setting out! 3Feb 03, 2013 8:27 pm In the past you've (incorrectly) also tried to have a laugh about bowed cornices in my current house, when in this photo it shows to me you're clearly not very well versed with a camera. The same effect/claim can be made by taking the photo with wide focal-length - which is very clearly plausible from the above photo, in addition to the possibility of shadows causing this claim. At the focal length used, this photo would also have you believe the door architrave is curved. The correct way to illustrate this would be not only with a proper flash and lens, but also with a spirit level or other solid, straight device pressed up showing the gap. If you like, I'm happy to photochop your photo back so it looks perfect and there's no defect present... Building a Delta 21 at Craigieburn - http://homeofzero.blogspot.com.au/ Deposit: 26/02. Contract: 22/05. Settlement: 29/05. Site start: 18/10. Re: House framing, the lost art of setting out! 4Feb 03, 2013 9:11 pm leighton Hi. This is an internal wall, isnt it? Funny thing, I once had an owner go around and fill in the gap between truss chords and the internal wall plates. Guess you are busy? cheers Hi Leighton, yes it is internal load bearing wall (sometimes trusses do bear on internal wall so if they bear on top plate between studs it will sag and deform the cornice as shown in the photo) I am not sure about point you are trying to make, please elaborate. Foremost Building Expert in Australia,assisting with building problems/disputes, building stage inspections,pre-contract review advice for peace of mind 200 blogs http://www.buildingexpert.net.au/blog Re: House framing, the lost art of setting out! 5Feb 03, 2013 11:04 pm akashra In the past you've (incorrectly) also tried to have a laugh about bowed cornices in my current house, when in this photo it shows to me you're clearly not very well versed with a camera. The same effect/claim can be made by taking the photo with wide focal-length - which is very clearly plausible from the above photo, in addition to the possibility of shadows causing this claim. At the focal length used, this photo would also have you believe the door architrave is curved. The correct way to illustrate this would be not only with a proper flash and lens, but also with a spirit level or other solid, straight device pressed up showing the gap. If you like, I'm happy to photochop your photo back so it looks perfect and there's no defect present... As an ex-photographer, I don't think the issue is the barrel distortion, as I don't think BE is referring to the curvature, more the tell-tale shadows where the cornice joins the ceiling - but maybe I am wrong. BTW, the focal length of the lens has no effect on perspective, only the viewpoint dictates perspective. Ed "ECOECO" At 'EcoEco', we design windows, we design the best windows, we do it for you, so that when you’re happy we are happy. Tel. 1800 326 326 Re: House framing, the lost art of setting out! 6Feb 04, 2013 7:01 am I can't really see the damge. Is it possible to go in closer ? Agree a rule along it might also help. Cameras can lie - not intentionally - but just because (ie shadow, angle, position, height etc etc). Have those dark areas "come away" at the top ? Re: House framing, the lost art of setting out! 7Feb 04, 2013 10:25 am Hi Saint Mike The dark areas are deformation of cornice Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ I have added straight line to top of cornice, so as you can see there is no image distortion Foremost Building Expert in Australia,assisting with building problems/disputes, building stage inspections,pre-contract review advice for peace of mind 200 blogs http://www.buildingexpert.net.au/blog Re: House framing, the lost art of setting out! 8Feb 04, 2013 10:34 am No, drawing a line on an image does not change the perspective with which it was taken through the lens. We can clearly see the shadowing. Any inconsistency in light source could have caused these. Building a Delta 21 at Craigieburn - http://homeofzero.blogspot.com.au/ Deposit: 26/02. Contract: 22/05. Settlement: 29/05. Site start: 18/10. Re: House framing, the lost art of setting out! 9Feb 04, 2013 1:29 pm akashra No, drawing a line on an image does not change the perspective with which it was taken through the lens. We can clearly see the shadowing. Any inconsistency in light source could have caused these. I can create the problem in Photoshop, it's easy, that does not mean it is not the way BE says. We have to rely on BE's integrity rather than attack the photos. Of course you can be creative with light, and we can even distort the perspective in PS... but that does not mean that this is the way it was done - unless you have evidence to the contrary. Repeating, Perspective IS Viewpoint!!! not the lens. Ed "ECOECO" At 'EcoEco', we design windows, we design the best windows, we do it for you, so that when you’re happy we are happy. Tel. 1800 326 326 That sucks! Hope it all works out. Good to move away from steel anyway for all your reasons, but it's also thermally poor. 16 17895 Hello! I'm new to this forum and in need of some advice. Should I put an art piece on the blank wall and if so what should I put? Appreciate your help! 😃 0 867 STEFF62 Framing should be fine, but he will only be able to nail the baseplates in, I wouldnt think you can dynabolt them after 24 hours. My question is, how is he… 1 5860 |