Browse Forums Building A New House patch panel 21May 04, 2008 12:17 pm Thanks for the info Mike
There's a Jaycar reseller in the nearest large town about 30 kms away. My hope is to have a mix of wireless and hard wired connections in the new house but of course it all depends on costing. I'm going to have to contact a local cabling guy (assuming the electrician we had here yesterday got it right) and see what kind of cost this all blows out to. Our builder will only place conduit with pull strings/wires. so we can get any cabling done later. Their electrician will happily install tv points and the 1 phone point ( we think) and any others at $ cost, of course. My biggest challenge will be to talk hubby into it as he's worried about the budget. In our last house we had 4 comps all networked with cat5e cabling ( loose on the floor) but within a small area so it wasn't a problem and I used wireless for my laptop. The computers were either side of a small half height wall and pretty much back to back so cables were almost hidden. We are currently renting and although all the computers are in one area not all 4 could be placed within cable distance or so that cable could connect safely. ( who wants a cable running across the floor of the main family/dining room area from one end ot the other. Not I) So I've got this desktop computer connecting wirelessly and occasionally my work laptop also on wireless. I am not that keen on wireless connections as a permanent thing. Prefer the security , reliablity and speed of hard wired. Once we are in our new house the desktop computers will be mostly once again all in one area but only for 3-4- years. Single or double data point would do the job here as we've already got a switching hub that could distribute the connection from the data point to each computer. After which time the area they will be in will convert back into a gamesroom/ tv room and the computers will be spread between the office and kids activity room. Our problem is we need internet connectability in the office, games room, activity room and the main bedroom. We also want a phone point in the office, main bedroom, and games room. This is apart from using voip. Since I have spare computers, Yes there are more computers in this house than people, I might even connect up one of the spare ones in the office right from the start. I also figure that in case the wireless connection does not reach the main bedroom( having problems with the signal here atm and our own house will be much larger) We might as well get a data point in the main bedroom. This could be used for phone or computer connection then. I'd read that you can use data points for phone. so the idea is to set it all up with a patch panel etc in the office and have the initial standard phone point put in there and then from there run cat5e cable for data, phone connections. Depending on cost of course we could also consider adding data cable to the same point in the lounge room that the tv antenna comes in at ( assuming we ask for conduit there) Since we don't currently have any equipment to make the lounge a theatre room a wireless media centre might be simpler. The office is right next to the lounge so wireless signal to there should be fine. I did see someone else mention that with good quality gear wireless streaming of media isn't really an issue. So i'm keen to get some recommendations for brands/types of patch panels before I talk to the cabling guy ( who also does tv points, phone stuff, hi fi etc etc) and before we do our prestart so we know exactly where we need conduits installed and what we are going to pay the builder to do and if it's something the budget can handle. Sorry If I've hijacked this thread. If anyone thinks I need to repost this as a new thread or wants to pm me with suggestions please do so. On a different topic: we are in a brand new build. First people to rent this house. We've been in since January. The light/exhaust switch in the ensuite had to be replaced yesterday. It wasn't turning off. Great when the ensuite is less than 1 m from where my pillows are. So we got to meet a local electrician who came out to replace/fix the problem. His comment were not very complimentary toward the brand and type of switch. I won't say which/what one but he said basically they were rubbish and there seemed to be a lot of faulty ones. Obviously it's the cheapest in that company's range and perhaps their more expensive ones have less problems. He's replaced it with a clipsal 2000 I think. ( from looking at the clipsal switches) Much nicer to the touch as well . Something else we'll need to consider given we are also building with the same builder who built this house and its from the same range. Another thing to consider upgrading. arghh He also told us that one of the other big project home builders in WA had had some problems with plaster and that in a couple of cases they'd had plaster falling out in chunks off walls only a few months after hand over. To the point where they'd had to completely re-plaster, re-tile several homes putting the families up in housing for the duration. What a nightmare. Hopefully they've got it all sorted out now. Kerry Re: Internal Phone Points 22May 04, 2008 6:28 pm To Do List said
Quote: Any IT-type people out there who can add more details to my civil engineer interpretation of things...... You're doing allright Mike. Really it's personal preference. I use wireless an turn it off when I dont need it'- and other prefer cable, but these days we are doing entire floors and building with wireless as it is cost effective, can be used at anydesk, and is secure - so why run wires. Steve. Re: Internal Phone Points 23May 04, 2008 6:40 pm Yak_Chat Quote: Any IT-type people out there who can add more details to my civil engineer interpretation of things...... Is that my quote.....? mmm....donuts Homer Simpson 1956- Links: Site Costs Ready Reckoner | H1 Addiction Medical Advice | Château TDL: The Backyard Re: Internal Phone Points 24May 04, 2008 6:56 pm Sure is mike - Prevous page of this thread.
Re cabling - in fact it more complex than that kexkez. Anyone doing ANY cabling that is connected to a phone line of any type. Must be AUSTEL approved, even inside the house because if the wires get crossed and lets say 240volts gets on the phone line and someone in a trench outside gets electrocutued - well you know the rest. So whoever is doing your - Comms cabling, including cat 5 should give you a certificate of compline to satte that is meets the relevant standards. Things like speration from power cables, etc apply. Steve Re: Internal Phone Points 25May 04, 2008 7:10 pm Yak_Chat Sure is mike - Prevous page of this thread. One month ago....that's a few posts ago.... Stand corrected on the CAT5 cabling I didn't realise about the licensing....my cabling guy who did the alarm is certified so no problems. Like I said I'm a civil engineer but my brother is a storage specialist for Big Blue....mainly on Telstra but also Holden infrastructure....doesn't deal with anything less than several Petabytes....guess a pick up enough through osmosis. Also the project I'm working has strong IT and telecommunications linkages again you pick up my osmosis......and maybe interestingly for you hundreds of solar powered devices in remote (to mains power) sites. mmm....donuts Homer Simpson 1956- Links: Site Costs Ready Reckoner | H1 Addiction Medical Advice | Château TDL: The Backyard cabling 26May 04, 2008 7:21 pm Thanks
Steve. yes I was trying to be gentle. I figured if people wanted to know they'd check into it and as a newbie here I didn't want to sound like a drama queen. I'm going to ring this local sparkie as soon as we get the proper plans and find out if he's qualified. If he is then I'll ask for a quote. I've since found out he did a lot of cabling for some people in a new build near ours. They are very happy with the work and happy to recommend him as well. I didn't like to pry too much and ask them about certificates etc . But I will if we get quotes from him. As far as wireless goes. We don't turn off several of the computers at all. They are on and online 24/7 so I want them cabled not wireless. At the present time my comp which is one of the 24/7 computers is on all the time. I hate it being on wireless. I was recently on a forum with a bunch of high school computer teachers and one pointed out that one of his yr 11 students was able to hack into very secure systems within 10-20 mins and several others had no problems with those using the less secure encryption. I was at a meeting for the local telecentre recently and they've been having problems with it being hacked into lately via the wireless connection. At this stage they think someone was careless with the password. ( they hope) However all they can do is turn off the AP out of business hours as they are planning to start offering wireless access accounts.. So there is at least 1 local enterprising person. I'm also having hassles with an intermittent unsecured wireless signal from someone nearby that keeps interfering with my wireless network signal. ( I've tried changing channels etc) I'm trying to work out who it is atm. I wonder if they even realise I can access the net via their connection if i was so included. ok I did check but only in the hope of identifying who it was Blog http://wherethehearthis.blogspot.com/ Build https://forum.homeone.com.au/viewtopic.php?t=6634: Yard https://forum.homeone.com.au/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=27687&p=378401#p378401 Re: cabling 27May 04, 2008 7:27 pm kexkez yes I was trying to be gentle. I figured if people wanted to know they'd check into it and as a newbie here I didn't want to sound like a drama queen. Don't worry, no false airs and graces around here....if I'm wrong I'm wrong....saves me getting in trouble later... mmm....donuts Homer Simpson 1956- Links: Site Costs Ready Reckoner | H1 Addiction Medical Advice | Château TDL: The Backyard Re: Internal Phone Points 28May 04, 2008 7:56 pm Kexkez
I should have probably mentioned that the KRONE panel was sourced by my comm cable installer so you may not need to source it yourself. I just know that Radio Parts and Jaycar have them. Cheers mmm....donuts Homer Simpson 1956- Links: Site Costs Ready Reckoner | H1 Addiction Medical Advice | Château TDL: The Backyard Re: Internal Phone Points 29May 04, 2008 10:43 pm It's not rocket science to make a wireless network secure. It's a very good option for household networks and shouldn't be feared. And it's a hell of a lot cheaper than wiring up your whole house with rj45 connectors. Re: Internal Phone Points 30May 05, 2008 5:51 am Cabinfever It's not rocket science to make a wireless network secure. It's a very good option for household networks and shouldn't be feared. And it's a hell of a lot cheaper than wiring up your whole house with rj45 connectors. It all depends on what people want to do with their networks. If all they want to do is surf the internet and share the odd file then wireless is okay, for streaming of audio and or video then definitely cable IMO. Re: Internal Phone Points 31May 05, 2008 6:22 am kiwi056 Cabinfever It's not rocket science to make a wireless network secure. It's a very good option for household networks and shouldn't be feared. And it's a hell of a lot cheaper than wiring up your whole house with rj45 connectors. It all depends on what people want to do with their networks. If all they want to do is surf the internet and share the odd file then wireless is okay, for streaming of audio and or video then definitely cable IMO. This may have been true a decade ago, but even the very modest 1500K ADSL plans have more than enough bandwidth for these jobs. Step up to 8000K or ADSL2 plans and you have even more capacity. Most video streaming takes just 300K, the best quality streaming radio just 128K. Even on a 1500K ADSL plan you're usually limited by the speed of the site rather than your own bandwidth. I'm running a home wireless network with 4 (sometimes 5) machines, frequently streaming video on two machines over wireless on an 8000K ADSL plan. And that's in the very poorly-served broadband market of regional Tasmania. Anyone in a capital city will get it cheaper & faster than me. As for cable being superior, that was 'accepted wisdom' up to about 1999. It's no longer relevant. Re: Internal Phone Points 32May 05, 2008 7:43 am We are going with the PDL Lexcom gear (now owned by Clipsal).
Expensive, but seems more versatile in that we can run phone, video, audio or data to any outlet. We will still be running around with some cordless phones, so we should have the ultimate setup. Lexcom sell their own "certified" cable, which is CAT specification, and has a price accordingly. Each pair is shielded which is why it's expensive. At this stage we have run the cable through the house. I've still the buy the rest of the kit, which will be installed after we move in. Cheers networks 33May 05, 2008 8:13 am thats true cabin fever.. it's not hard to attempt to secure the wireless.
but thats not the only reason I want most of MY network wired. Well I did make a 2nd half hearted effort to find out who's network ti was last night. Tapped on another couple of doors. I supposed I could have a wander with my laptop and seen where the signal is strongest but I'm not that fussed. No success on the network but I did get invited in for a glass of wine at one neighbours house. hmm I can just hear hubby now.. any excuse to get to know the new neighbours. hahaha Re: Internal Phone Points 34May 05, 2008 8:34 am Cabinfever kiwi056 Cabinfever It's not rocket science to make a wireless network secure. It's a very good option for household networks and shouldn't be feared. And it's a hell of a lot cheaper than wiring up your whole house with rj45 connectors. It all depends on what people want to do with their networks. If all they want to do is surf the internet and share the odd file then wireless is okay, for streaming of audio and or video then definitely cable IMO. This may have been true a decade ago, but even the very modest 1500K ADSL plans have more than enough bandwidth for these jobs. Step up to 8000K or ADSL2 plans and you have even more capacity. Most video streaming takes just 300K, the best quality streaming radio just 128K. Even on a 1500K ADSL plan you're usually limited by the speed of the site rather than your own bandwidth. I'm running a home wireless network with 4 (sometimes 5) machines, frequently streaming video on two machines over wireless on an 8000K ADSL plan. And that's in the very poorly-served broadband market of regional Tasmania. Anyone in a capital city will get it cheaper & faster than me. As for cable being superior, that was 'accepted wisdom' up to about 1999. It's no longer relevant. Not everyone streams poor quality compressed audio & video via the internet. Some of us like quality audio/video streamed via servers/NAS drives throughout the house. home phone 35May 05, 2008 5:46 pm Perryr
Don't forget to consider voip as well. We are likely to replace our basic ata device with one that allows fallback to standard phone when the net is down and will divert to the voip phones when people ring in on our normal line. Add using hands free and you get a nice mix of gear. We'll still keep at least one standard phone point and phone as well incase the power is out. Kids as well as us are getting very conditioned to "use the voip phone " for outward calls. It's only been 4 months of using voip but very nice compared with paying std rates to call to the city. Cabinfever we're lucky enough a.t.m to get 8mb. adsl1. fingers crossed the new house will be able to get it as well. Re: Internal Phone Points 36May 07, 2008 4:09 pm hi there,
you might also want the electrician to instal a patch panel in a cupboard somewhere. This is like a central brain system, where all your data, phone, comms, pay tv and security lines go to. Its really good for the future, as it gives you a central point to either trouble shoot, or even add extra points later. Hope this helps. Re: Internal Phone Points 37May 07, 2008 4:24 pm MICA hi there, you might also want the electrician to instal a patch panel in a cupboard somewhere. This is like a central brain system, where all your data, phone, comms, pay tv and security lines go to. Its really good for the future, as it gives you a central point to either trouble shoot, or even add extra points later. Hope this helps. Good idea....why didn't we think of that.... mmm....donuts Homer Simpson 1956- Links: Site Costs Ready Reckoner | H1 Addiction Medical Advice | Château TDL: The Backyard phone 38May 07, 2008 8:18 pm yup Mica that's what I want to do. All set to go in the office and it also means 2 less fixed data points as I am happy to run cable1- 2m along the floor behind desks from the patch panel instead of getting them built in. My plan is to have the patch panel right next to the computer desks in the office. At my last school what I assume was the patch panel was in a small wall cabinet above computers in one IT room and it didn't seem to be a problem. Re: Internal Phone Points 39Sep 03, 2009 12:35 pm Hi. I am building a new house and have questions with connecting the home phone line Does anyone know about the home phone connection cost? Does it has to be with Telstra at the very first? How much does it is going to cost me? I have browsed to Telstra website and said that if I am building a new house, I might need trenching to connect the phone line, which cost me approximately $275 on top of the Telstra connection fee of ($300). Does anyone if I need a trenching or not? Thank you Re: Internal Phone Points 40Sep 03, 2009 12:48 pm mrkura Hi. I am building a new house and have questions with connecting the home phone line Does anyone know about the home phone connection cost? Does it has to be with Telstra at the very first? How much does it is going to cost me? I have browsed to Telstra website and said that if I am building a new house, I might need trenching to connect the phone line, which cost me approximately $275 on top of the Telstra connection fee of ($300). Does anyone if I need a trenching or not? Thank you all new installs are trenched.. so Yes..... Kodiak Data Cabling onFaceBook Consult*, Design and Installation Data, TV, Home Theatre/ AV Cabling, Multi Room Audio, IP CCTV and Door Intercoms Ask for a Quote. *DIY DATA Cabling Is Ilegal If you're referring to Eufy homebase, then just put a switch between a datapoint and put the homebase elsewhere near another device in your home unless you want teh… 9 13825 Thanks. Yeh ideally that would have been good, but have progressed too far now. Hoping some well placed internal walls fixed up into the battens will provide some… 2 5369 Thank you alexp79 and gommeqld for your advice, that's very helpful, thanks 3 7864 |