Browse Forums Building A New House 1st build in Baldivis with DAH - Still waiting.. 61Jul 18, 2012 8:23 pm Enelya thankyou SO much for that idea!!!! Something we had definitely overlooked! Have emailed sales consult about this and he says we can change at prestart! Another note on the list (getting longer and longer). Building the Riva by Dale Alcock Homes. Follow our progress here: https://forum.homeone.com.au/viewtopic.php?t=57075 Re: 1st build in Baldivis with DAH - Still waiting.. 62Jul 18, 2012 8:26 pm We forgot about it until prestart too.... I was like OMG i would have kicked myself if we didn't do it. Can think of nothing worse than having ugly cleaning cr4p on display in perfect laundry LOL! Jen Building with HomeGroupWA (started as Scott Park Homes ) - Grand Wisteria Check out my Build Thread!! Time line on P1. Re: 1st build in Baldivis with DAH - Pre Selection tomorrow! 63Jul 18, 2012 11:55 pm MissEm Agreed, and strangely enough I'm certain vans had JB's in and has only recently had handover. Another thing we thought of which is only minor but again an annoyance. "do you want a gas point?" "well there is one included isn't there?" "no we don't do them anymore because it affects the 6 star rating - the little vent in the wall" "well we we're thinking about putting it outside anyway because then we can hook it up to a BBQ" "No you'd have to pay for that" Same has happened to us - The gas point just disappeared off our plans & we were told the floor boards were REAL WOOD! The quote for 'engineered' was $$Woah! Your communication problem is similar to what we have encountered. Alot of changes we had made were missed off our contract and we were told "Do that at pre-start"... Im not understanding why Im signing a contract that isn't the final design?? We have had pre start so waiting to see what the costs are for the changes we had made Have been really happy with their design team tho, we made a lot of changes here and there and the final floor plan looks great! Love your colour selection - wish I had of thought to take some photos..might pop in and do it this week so I can remember. : : : : : : : : : : : : 2014 | Time to move to the country 2012 | Our Build with Dale Alcock https://forum.homeone.com.au/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=61943 Re: 1st build in Baldivis with DAH - Still waiting.. 64Jul 19, 2012 2:19 pm Hi MissEm Just so you know, soakwells are included in Dale Alcock Homes plans at the discretion of the plumber so they may not always appear on client plans - doesn't mean they're not there though! Thanks, Renee. Dale Alcock Homes. We love building. T: 08 9242 9200 Mon – Fri 8am-5pm Sat - 10-4 thedacrew@dalealcock.com.au http://www.dalealcock.com.au http://www.facebook.com/dalealcockhomes Re: 1st build in Baldivis with DAH - Still waiting.. 65Jul 19, 2012 2:33 pm The DA Crew Hi MissEm Just so you know, soakwells are included in Dale Alcock Homes plans at the discretion of the plumber so they may not always appear on client plans - doesn't mean they're not there though! Thanks, Renee. Hi Renee, The problem is, if it isn't on the plan, and it's a discretionary choice of someone other than the client, the client is right to be concerned about whether or not they are going to get them! The advice we are given constantly by people who have been through the process is 'make sure it's on the plans', which at the end of the day are a form of contract and therefore if the client signs off on them and they aren't featured, the client doesn't have a leg to stand on contractually. This is the same as everything. Being told 'you can do this, that and 10,000 other things at pre-start' in the case where pre-start may happen after contract signature, means the client may end up signing off on plans with a price which doesn't take into account the reality of the clients budget. - sorry if this sounds like a rant - and it's honestly not personal, just frustrating Building the Nautilus with Dale Alcock follow my thread: viewtopic.php?f=31&t=58854&p=909574#p909574 14/8/12 Pre-start! Re: 1st build in Baldivis with DAH - Still waiting.. 66Jul 19, 2012 2:48 pm emmanewman The DA Crew Hi MissEm Just so you know, soakwells are included in Dale Alcock Homes plans at the discretion of the plumber so they may not always appear on client plans - doesn't mean they're not there though! Thanks, Renee. Hi Renee, The problem is, if it isn't on the plan, and it's a discretionary choice of someone other than the client, the client is right to be concerned about whether or not they are going to get them! The advice we are given constantly by people who have been through the process is 'make sure it's on the plans', which at the end of the day are a form of contract and therefore if the client signs off on them and they aren't featured, the client doesn't have a leg to stand on contractually. This is the same as everything. Being told 'you can do this, that and 10,000 other things at pre-start' in the case where pre-start may happen after contract signature, means the client may end up signing off on plans with a price which doesn't take into account the reality of the clients budget. - sorry if this sounds like a rant - and it's honestly not personal, just frustrating And even when it is on contract/plans, it isn't always right! And we just go through the whole process and dramas trying to prove something! What is obvious to the sales consultant/builder/client liaison officer/supervisor/prestart consultant is NOT obvious to us who are not in the building industry and ONLY have contracts and plans to help us out. If it was all in the paperwork, our queries wouldn't be so great! Re: 1st build in Baldivis with DAH - Still waiting.. 67Jul 19, 2012 3:53 pm The Vans emmanewman The DA Crew Hi MissEm Just so you know, soakwells are included in Dale Alcock Homes plans at the discretion of the plumber so they may not always appear on client plans - doesn't mean they're not there though! Thanks, Renee. Hi Renee, The problem is, if it isn't on the plan, and it's a discretionary choice of someone other than the client, the client is right to be concerned about whether or not they are going to get them! The advice we are given constantly by people who have been through the process is 'make sure it's on the plans', which at the end of the day are a form of contract and therefore if the client signs off on them and they aren't featured, the client doesn't have a leg to stand on contractually. This is the same as everything. Being told 'you can do this, that and 10,000 other things at pre-start' in the case where pre-start may happen after contract signature, means the client may end up signing off on plans with a price which doesn't take into account the reality of the clients budget. - sorry if this sounds like a rant - and it's honestly not personal, just frustrating And even when it is on contract/plans, it isn't always right! And we just go through the whole process and dramas trying to prove something! What is obvious to the sales consultant/builder/client liaison officer/supervisor/prestart consultant is NOT obvious to us who are not in the building industry and ONLY have contracts and plans to help us out. If it was all in the paperwork, our queries wouldn't be so great! And just to add further (which I have commented on before). I have witnessed first hand, Dale Alcock clients in Dale Alcock Central, being told 'It doesn't matter what your sales rep said - even in an email - if it's not on the plans it's not included'. Hopefully Renee, you can understand why clients are becoming more reluctant to sign off on plans until they are 10,000% correct (ok, maybe a slight over exaggeration...) Building the Nautilus with Dale Alcock follow my thread: viewtopic.php?f=31&t=58854&p=909574#p909574 14/8/12 Pre-start! 1st build in Baldivis with DAH - Still waiting.. 68Jul 19, 2012 4:01 pm I called sales consultant yesterday and he said that there will be at least 2 1500mm soak wells included, and if Dales did the soak wells and anything goes wrong with paving etc then Dales are liable, but if we did them ourselves and something goes wrong with the paving etc then they aren't liable. He said 2 1500mm soak wells would be more than enough and is standard, and from a quick search it appears that he is correct, most soak well places seem to state that 2 1500mm soak wells are enough for new houses, but it depends also on how good the soil is, obviously with clay you would need more soak wells etc. I mentioned they weren't on our site plans and he said it wouldn't be, it will be on the plans for the shire though. We do have it in writing under the breakdown of the site costs that soak wells will be included. Building the Riva by Dale Alcock Homes. Follow our progress here: https://forum.homeone.com.au/viewtopic.php?t=57075 Re: 1st build in Baldivis with DAH - Still waiting.. 69Jul 19, 2012 4:20 pm As long as it's in writing!! You're right about the items appearing on the plans... I don't see why they wouldn't though? We are doing the soakwells ourselves, and we have them shaded on our final plans with the note "Soakwells by Owner: Suggested Soakwell Site"... Two 1500mm soakwells should be okay, do you know how many downpipes you have on your house? Apparently 8 or so is standard, and SPH have given us 11 We will be putting in a 1500mm soakwell out the front for 3 of the downpipes, 2 will go into the ground on the other side of the house, and then we will have small 600mm soakwells individually for the other 6 downpipes. Lucky you'll save your energy by getting those hard working Dales to dig them in for you Re: 1st build in Baldivis with DAH - Still waiting.. 70Jul 19, 2012 4:31 pm The soakwells are shown on the plumbing plans which are not supplied to you. We only found out because the original location for the soakwells on their plans was not suitable. The contractor contacted the head office to get in touch with us and tell us that they have to install them at a lower point on our property.... BTW we have 3 soakwells 2 x 1500x1500 and 1 x 1500x1200 interconnected. They have trafficable lids. http://i908.photobucket.com/albums/ac281/ddmayred/27072010147.jpg http://i908.photobucket.com/albums/ac281/ddmayred/P1020841.jpg Preliminary agreement 23/11 Contract 22/03 Prestart 06/04 - finalised on 30/04 Unconditional approval 10/05 Demolition 05/07 Slab 26/08 Brickwork 13/09-06/10 Roof frame started 07/10 viewtopic.php?f=31&t=32292 1st build in Baldivis with DAH - Still waiting.. 71Jul 19, 2012 4:45 pm I hope they have taken into consideration the fact we want to put in a pool..might have to ask at pre-start? Building the Riva by Dale Alcock Homes. Follow our progress here: https://forum.homeone.com.au/viewtopic.php?t=57075 Re: 1st build in Baldivis with DAH - Got the plans!!! 72Jul 19, 2012 4:51 pm They are HUGE!!!! We just got small ones for each of our downpipes! They could fit in the car! I don't think those big boys will fit in my little hatch! Re: 1st build in Baldivis with DAH - Got the plans!!! 73Jul 19, 2012 4:57 pm Make sure you request a copy of your plumbing plan as well so you know approx where your soakwells are. We asked our Site Super, he promised and never delivered. We asked the 6 month maintenance guys and they dleivered within a day. Re: 1st build in Baldivis with DAH - Got the plans!!! 74Jul 19, 2012 5:01 pm On our site plan we have the areas for the pool and shed marked out as "keep services clear". You should be able to add areas like these at prestart. Our custom Gemmill Home in Bedfordale WA Build thread:https://forum.homeone.com.au/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=53788 Timeline on page 1 Re: 1st build in Baldivis with DAH - Still waiting.. 75Jul 19, 2012 5:22 pm MissEm I hope they have taken into consideration the fact we want to put in a pool..might have to ask at pre-start? MissEm, On our initial plans (the ones we signed off on when we paid the deposit) there was a line on the page which deals with variations which states whether there is an intention to add a pool and whether consideration of that is required. Maybe have a look on your variation page if you have one Building the Nautilus with Dale Alcock follow my thread: viewtopic.php?f=31&t=58854&p=909574#p909574 14/8/12 Pre-start! 1st build in Baldivis with DAH - Got the plans!!! 76Jul 19, 2012 5:47 pm emmanewman MissEm I hope they have taken into consideration the fact we want to put in a pool..might have to ask at pre-start? MissEm, On our initial plans (the ones we signed off on when we paid the deposit) there was a line on the page which deals with variations which states whether there is an intention to add a pool and whether consideration of that is required. Maybe have a look on your variation page if you have one It is documented, and looking on the site plans its all clear. So, so far all good, but stranger things have happened, lol. Building the Riva by Dale Alcock Homes. Follow our progress here: https://forum.homeone.com.au/viewtopic.php?t=57075 1st build in Baldivis with DAH - Got the plans!!! 77Jul 20, 2012 9:40 am The DA Crew Hi MissEm Just so you know, soakwells are included in Dale Alcock Homes plans at the discretion of the plumber so they may not always appear on client plans - doesn't mean they're not there though! Thanks, Renee. Hi Renee, Could you please follow up on if junction boxes are still able to be installed instead of lighting? Our Sales Consultant told us we could at our original meeting, and in the Pre-start booklet it says we can, but the lady we met with at Pre-selections said we couldn't. Thanks Building the Riva by Dale Alcock Homes. Follow our progress here: https://forum.homeone.com.au/viewtopic.php?t=57075 Re: 1st build in Baldivis with DAH - Got the plans!!! 78Jul 20, 2012 2:44 pm Hi Miss Em! Your plans and colour selections look great and I love your window "splashback" and clear island bench in the kitchen! We are first time builders who have just signed our contracts two weeks ago with Dale Alcock to build the Aurora. We signed our PPA 31/3 and received our contracts 27th June (they were ready a few days earlier but we were away), if that gives you any indication of timeframe. We were told 8 weeks also initially. A heads up, which you might know already, check your elevations closely especially windows. Drafting decided to change our living room windows to awning windows from the sliding windows which were on our original plan and the display (and what we wanted) for no apparent reason. Even the sales consultant didnt know why. It will now be changed at no charge. It was a pretty easy thing to fix in the end but may have been tricky if we had gone to council! We also made some other changes to a couple of doors at the same time without fuss. We also found that changes the sales consultant said would be no cost ended up being charged for when our final contracts came through. having said that there were somethings he quoted that ended up being less eg rendering whole house, so not getting too worked up about it yet. And yes we are told a lot of things can be done at prestart. It is scaring us because we are already over budget and we have already signed our contract, but also happy because it has given us time to really think about any internal changes to be made. It is making finance approval a bit of a hassle too. It might be an idea to give a list of things you were thinking of upgrading/changing (and credits for things you want to do after handover) to to the pre start consultant to get an idea of prices beforehand. I have but from the tone of the email, we might/might not get it in time for pre start. Its early days yet and am hopeful we will get it, but there has been no promises. Still waiting for prestart to be scheduled. Have you had your meeting with intelligent homes yet? Another suggestion, if you do add on any extra items to what is included in your spec, get them to itemise it. They didnt for us, and the price quoted seems high. We have requested it but having been waiting over a week now. I do think sometimes we are paying too much for this house but if the build quality matches then Ill feel better about it Overall love our plans, and happy with the staff we have dealt with so far. The interior design consult was helpful as she gave us a lot of help with cheaper alternatives to the tiles we wanted for our ensuite that still looked beautiful. Our sales rep is friendly, but could be hard to get hold of sometimes, but most times got back to us with our answers. He was most helpful before we signed up ( I guess as sales reps are) as he took us through dale alcock central and gave us an idea of the upgrades, which were worth the money and which were a bit of a waste of time. Also the rep at the display home was very helpful in design ideas and what things would be better done after handover. The pre construction coordinator was lovely also. I'm so sorry for hijacking your forum, I thought I would give you an idea of what is up ahead hopefully soon! 1st build in Baldivis with DAH - Got the plans!!! 79Jul 20, 2012 4:33 pm 2JS thank you for your reply, especially the part about the windows in the elevations. There was something we noticed, but we kind of overlooked it, but now that you mention it... In this image there is a window and under it there is a line with 9c. It's a bedroom window. Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Then in this image, the other two bedroom windows - one has the line with 7c under it (4th window from the left) and the other doesn't have anything (last one). Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ They should all be the same windows and the same height etc, so why does one say 9c, one says 7c and the other has nothing? We thought maybe because we had changed the heights of the bedroom windows (so we could put a bed alongside them if need be without actually being in front of the window itself, IYKWIM)? Does it even mean anything? Building the Riva by Dale Alcock Homes. Follow our progress here: https://forum.homeone.com.au/viewtopic.php?t=57075 Re: 1st build in Baldivis with DAH - Got the plans!!! 80Jul 20, 2012 4:48 pm its the height that the window goes in at - 7 course, 9 course and so on. so the fact they are different means the windows aren't all the same height. Building the Nautilus with Dale Alcock follow my thread: viewtopic.php?f=31&t=58854&p=909574#p909574 14/8/12 Pre-start! Thank you so much everyone. This all makes a lot of sense. I guess when you talk to a builder who butters up everything to look very polished, you get to start believing… 7 18751 3 50883 Ask for references and speak to them. If they are defensive or try to avoid the request, walk. 1 76952 |