Browse Forums Building A New House 1 Feb 14, 2012 8:13 pm I have a question that doesn't relate to me or my build at all.. I noticed a house in our estate that seemed to be getting frame and bricks done at the same time.. And the garage wall is bricked up with no frame at all. I thought it was odd to see brickies working with no frame there and ten the next day guys were there framing one wall and right behind them were brickies.. None of my business but is this normal? Re: Can bricks be started before frame goes up? 2Feb 14, 2012 8:41 pm No idea but it sounds pretty poor regardless http://lindeman28.blogspot.com - Our building blog Re: Can bricks be started before frame goes up? 3Feb 14, 2012 10:18 pm You can build garage walls just out of brick so long as they put brick pillars on the inside a certain distance apart for support. I do not know the technical term for this nor can I find any picture! I believe Porter Davis still build their garages like this - I see them all the time - the garages are the last things to go up. I have family with older homes that have this in their garages - I believe it is an older form of construction as most new homes have fully lined plaster garages that are all made from stud walls. Sleven Moved into our Atlantique MkII 36 by Carlisle Homes Can bricks be started before frame goes up? 4Feb 14, 2012 11:11 pm Unless you're in WA? I thought the single brick, with spaced pillars was standard for the garages? Or maybe just in lower-end builders? I see it done everywhere I go, so just thought it was normal for garages. As for bricks and frame going up at the same time, never seen or heard of that happening.... But I haven't paid very close attention to anyone's brick/frame stages. Re: Can bricks be started before frame goes up? 5Feb 15, 2012 6:42 am Single skin garage wall, and no it's not pretty poor Trewman its a pretty common practice. Just another way of keeping build costs down. There are engaged piers in the corners and along the walls that the beams sit on. Only drawback is you have brickwork to 1 or 2 ineternal walls of your garage, and in constant rain moisture will soak through. Re: Can bricks be started before frame goes up? 6Feb 15, 2012 6:53 am As long as the frame is up for the brickies to attach the brick ties then there us no issue. Just a brick wall in the garage is standard. Some builders lining them as standard, some say lining is a free upgrade as part of a package and some charge. Re: Can bricks be started before frame goes up? 8Feb 15, 2012 9:06 am building out of brick is the more expensive option. The cheap way is to have frame/plaster and brick. Its cheaper because it uses less brickwork and it saves on the bricklayer coming twice. Re: Can bricks be started before frame goes up? 9Feb 15, 2012 12:20 pm Thanks everyone for the replies. As I said, it's got nothing to do with me, and really none of my business, I just noticed it and hadn't really seen anything done this way before with our visits to different estates. I'm far from an expert so me not knowing something about building techniques is not too surprising. Re: Can bricks be started before frame goes up? 10Feb 15, 2012 4:05 pm B STAR building out of brick is the more expensive option. The cheap way is to have frame/plaster and brick. Its cheaper because it uses less brickwork and it saves on the bricklayer coming twice. I'd like to see your cost analysis on that. More bricks yes, but a beam instead of a framed wall, and no plaster or mouldings. You don't need to get the brickies back twice, the beams are propped and and the brickwork is done with the house. Or in the case of the OP, the brickie might be waiting for a job to be ready so they go and brick up a garage rather than sit at home and do nothing. There's more than one way to build a house. Cheers Re: Can bricks be started before frame goes up? 11Feb 16, 2012 7:48 am Trust me bricks are more expensive even if it is brick and pier and not double brick. You think met*icon and the likes would be putting plaster in if it wasn't. Not only in material but labor as well. When you do a brick garage trades have to start and stop!!!! Re: Can bricks be started before frame goes up? 12Feb 16, 2012 5:40 pm B STAR Trust me bricks are more expensive even if it is brick and pier and not double brick. You think met*icon and the likes would be putting plaster in if it wasn't. Yes because the client is paying for it. You don't think they do it out of the goodness of there hearts. Not only in material but labor as well. When you do a brick garage trades have to start and stop!!!! Are you assuming that it is dearer to a single skin brick wall or is your claim based on accurate building cost? And as I explained above, why there may be a brickie there doing a garage wall before the frame, I obviously didnt explain it well enough. The usuall procedure would be the chippies stand the frame and at the same time, without stopping ( except for smoko) they prop the garage beams on accrows, throw a few sticks on them to brace them, and then pitch the roof. Framer is completly finished. However some builders pay an extra for him to come back once the roof is on to plumb and straighten the frame and put the windows in. N.B. Nothing to do with the garage makeup. The brickie comes along and bricks up the house including the garage, cuts a split at the top of the pier to support the beam, the brickwork is finished without haveing to come back. and then he goes off to the next job. What sometimes happens. For whatever reason, the next house for the brickie may not be ready. Roof didn't go, rained and plumber didnt get there, you can take your pick of any number of reasons. So the brickie and his gang are going to be sitting at home doing nothing and not making any money. The supervisor rings him up and says I can get the bricks for the garage at lot xyz tomorrow if you want to go do that. The brickie has a think about it and says, no i'd prefer to sit at home and make no money, then his wife says don't you have any work, and he says i've only got a garage at lot xyz but i'll only make $x:xx if I do it, and she says well thats better than nothing so get your a*s^ out there and do it. So he then goes and bricks up the external walls of the garage including the piers, but leaves the split off the top. When he comes back to do the houseit's just a matter of cutting a split and putting it between the top of the pier and the beam. Make Sense? Re: Can bricks be started before frame goes up? 13Feb 17, 2012 8:01 am i Am confused. that's a big post. Brick and Pier works out more expensive than a single due to additional time/delay and cost of additional bricklaying. Double brick is even more expensive. Plaster skin in the most expensive. This is 100% true. You can not hang anything on steel frames. very frustrating 8 5347 I am in the same situation, would you be able to give some insights in to this? I am in SA 8 17012 Ardo That is so funny! I wonder how many people know who Larry Haun is these days. I have a couple of young guys we call Mo 1 & Mo 2 who run a crew of 6 boys and… 9 15483 |