Browse Forums Building A New House 1 Feb 06, 2008 9:05 pm Ok, here's the background:
Someone (roof tiler/ independent person) has put up 4 "guard rails" at various locations around the house, presumably as a OH&S safety thing, that are still up. Site Super has contacted the people responsible twice last month, and again this week to have them taken down ASAP as they are no longer needed, and the plaster was delivered Monday. These "guard rails" clamp onto the roof trusses just above the guttering, meaning that where each pole is (3 rails have 2 poles and 1 has 3 poles) there is a roof tile missing. The problem with this is that all of the water from the roof above runs straight into the hole where the tile is missing. When I went around last night I found to my shock (horror) that the plasterers had been and installed more than 1/2 of the plaster boards - including all of the ceiling. On going back tonight, all of the sheeting has been done. MAJOR PROBLEM is that it has been raining/drizzling in Melbourne last night/today and more is forecast for the rest of the week. We know that it's too late, and that the plaster board has been wet (I have photos of the water on the floor inside that has obviously ran down the plaster walls or dripped from the ceiling. We were told that "it's ok to get a bit damp, as long as the water doesn't pool on it" - but I don't really buy that... so HOW MUCH MOISTURE CAN PLASTER GET ON IT BEFORE IT'S USELESS? The builder has now said that the people responsible for removing them will be responsible for any costs incurred if the plaster needs replacing seeing as they have not done their job, but I'm sure he doesn't want to remove it (the plaster) if he can get away with it (yet another hold up), and we don't want to be holding things up more than we have to. Would this kind of moisture have any long term affects if we can't see any water damage now? (i.e in 5/10/20 years) I'll post pics later as soon as I upload them off the camera. Ray. Second Time 'Round Re: Who knows about plaster and moisture? 2Feb 06, 2008 9:07 pm And it's raining again now as I type! Second Time 'Round Re: Who knows about plaster and moisture? 3Feb 06, 2008 9:10 pm Ray is there any bulging or discolouration on the plaster???? Re: Who knows about plaster and moisture? 4Feb 06, 2008 9:36 pm I couldn't see any obvious signs of water damage - but I can't see the top of the plaster in the ceiling, and I can't see the other side of the wall inside the wall cavity... so who knows what it looks like?
My dad reckons we will have issues later on with water marks and the paintwork (with the paper coating peeling/bubbling) no mater how much moisture gets on it. Here are what the "guard rails" look like. Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ The other issue is the missing tiles behind the portico brickwork, which seems to be the main source of the water getting in (sitting room, and the other side of the portico is our bedroom). Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ A pic of the sitting room where the water has come in (these were taken at 6:30pm tonight and it last rained/drizzled at about 10am this morning, and the ground in the sitting was bone dry last night) Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ a close up of the gap in the sitting Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ This is in our bedroom (same as sitting but not as much water) Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ I don't know which is better - building and knowing all these problems that arise, or buying an existing house and being oblivious to the fact that something like this has occurred??? Ray. Second Time 'Round Re: Who knows about plaster and moisture? 5Feb 07, 2008 7:16 am I don't get how they can do all the plaster with holes in the roof?? That just seems really odd to me.
I wouldn't like to know that there has been water siting in my house and like you said, what if there is water siting on top of the ceiling? Re: Who knows about plaster and moisture? 6Feb 07, 2008 7:39 am Ray,
I don't know much about plaster and moisture but if I were you I would ask for the plaster to be changed. By the amount of water that is on the floor I would say that there is more damage to the plaster that you can't see. And I speak from experience. Remember when we had those 1-2 days of heavy rain in late December last year? Well, anyway, one day we walked into our garage and found a couple of small pools of water on the floor. We looked up and found the ceiling dripping. 4-5 hours later the slow trickles became steady drops of water. There was now a 12mm hole in our ceiling where the water was coming from. The other puddle of water came from the fluro light. So it was essentially a light fixture that was dripping water. Kind of funny to see but, obviously, not very safe. We now can't use our lights in the garage. To cut a long story short the source of the water leak came from a 5mm gap between two roof tiles. How the gap got there? Well, took us a while to figure out but back in November when we had our 3 month inspection we had some guys on the roof fixing some stuff. They must've accidentally moved it. And all those rainy days must've just kept creeping in and we now have a garage ceiling that needs to be repaired. See what a small gap can do? And yours is definitely much bigger than ours. We were worried our roof was going to cave in if the rains didn't stop. But, ceiling is still up. [sneakersss] Re: Who knows about plaster and moisture? 7Feb 07, 2008 7:10 pm Ray, your situation is similar like ours (see this post on blog http://building-our-first-house.blogspot.com/2008/01/progress087-leaking-like-hell.html), but ours is due to problem with the roof valley. Lucky that you don't have cornice installed and 27 doors sitting under there like us!
After a few days, there was mold everywhere. Our builder proposed to spray some chemical on top to remove it but we strongly request to have the ceiling, cornice and wall to be replaced. So far, they still haven't replace them yet but they fixed the leaking... Personally I would recommend to have the walls and ceiling replaced if possible, as I don't think these gyprock walls/ceilings are designed to be water proof or to be soaked in water.... Whether it's the roof guard guys or the builder who is doing that is a different thing, you don't have to worry about that. From your point of view you just want them to be replaced. Because the money you paid is for a brand new house with brand new walls/ceiling, not water damaged ones!! Re: Who knows about plaster and moisture? 8Feb 07, 2008 8:29 pm As per allens comments
Quote: Personally I would recommend to have the walls and ceiling replaced if possible, as I don't think these gyprock walls/ceilings are designed to be water proof or to be soaked in water.... Plaster is not very good after it gets wet. Sort of turns into a paper maches over the years. I'd push to have it replaced.. The bigger risk is more in the time factor - if you accept it - they will then paint it that will seal the moisture into the plaster and it will take longer to dry out. check out any insurance claims where a cyclone has allowed water to enter a house. they generaly replace the lot. Ask for the same. Steve these look like missing batts. Go up and take a look. But yeah moisure meter is a completely different tool 4 9523 Hi, Have used the Dulux 1 step, oil base on my walls(white set), out of can it’s already a more thinner product than a final coat paint Also in water base Water or… 3 5131 |