Browse Forums Building A New House 1 Oct 02, 2012 9:38 am Hi, So I've found some issues with my new build, so this has made me look very critically at everything. Darbecca advised to go around with a torch to look for paint defects, so I spent about 1/2hour or more in the night with a torch finding paint runs & dints et cetera. Did other people do this? Some of them are mostly invisible unless you look carefully, but I think the quality is unacceptable for a brand new build. Thanks Re: Paint defects - how strict were you? 4Oct 02, 2012 10:02 am humble Brutal. We went through 3 packets of dots.. over 1000 placed. They basically repainted, and 'glancing light' is a joke. I probably did 50 dots and let a few places go. Most of them were significant problems. The painters do not appear to have done a good job Re: Paint defects - how strict were you? 5Oct 02, 2012 10:11 am i am so worried about the paint being a crap job! my partner and I have considered painting ourselves after hand over.. has anyone else done this?? i wonder how much credit back henley will give us... Re: Paint defects - how strict were you? 6Oct 02, 2012 10:23 am luciiaaa1 i am so worried about the paint being a crap job! my partner and I have considered painting ourselves after hand over.. has anyone else done this?? i wonder how much credit back henley will give us... We repainted our ensuite after handover. After we found when doing our WIR fitout, it was only a single coat. You wont save much tbh. Re: Paint defects - how strict were you? 7Oct 02, 2012 10:29 am single coat! thats ridiculous! my mum is a professional house painter she has offered to do it for free, we will only pay for the paint! so i guess any credit back is worth it if the job will have to be redone in the end. we noticed in the display homes too there were runs.. did you build with henley? how was everything else with them? Re: Paint defects - how strict were you? 8Oct 02, 2012 10:45 am luciiaaa1 single coat! thats ridiculous! my mum is a professional house painter she has offered to do it for free, we will only pay for the paint! so i guess any credit back is worth it if the job will have to be redone in the end. we noticed in the display homes too there were runs.. did you build with henley? how was everything else with them? Porter Davis apart from the paint, everything was really good. Re: Paint defects - how strict were you? 9Oct 02, 2012 10:50 am hopefully ours goes well too i also spoke to our sales guy and he said as long as you request it in contract then they will have to do it.. i am going to see how many coats is standard with henley and if its not written in contract then i will get them to write in 3 coats! Re: Paint defects - how strict were you? 10Oct 02, 2012 2:17 pm We upgraded with Henley to the 3 coat system and Taubmans Living Silk Paint not their standard Bristol...cost us about $2K (4 years ago, unsure what they use now, Dulux maybe?). We had 66 defects after our PCI, and most were paint related. Unfortunately, Henley would only allow 'glancing light' defects, and it wasn't until I removed those hideous china man's hats and turned on the lights that the real issues appeared. It wasn't so much a fault of the paint application, but the 'lack of' decent stopping/sanding and prep work. Almost every ceiling in my house you can see joins. and when the sun shines up the hallway at certain times of the year...I just shake my head, it's just awful. Be as ruthless as you like...it's your house! Henley - Wilshire Mk 3 ... I love my house!! Site start: 4th Feb 09 Handover: 10th Sep 09 Blog: http://stormygirlscastle.blogspot.com/ Build Thread: viewtopic.php?t=7166 Re: Paint defects - how strict were you? 11Oct 02, 2012 2:21 pm that sounds terrible sorry to hear.. i think its looking more and more that we will do it ourselves.. they use dulux now. i really dont want to risk having to repaint! i just wonder how much credit back they will offer.. Re: Paint defects - how strict were you? 12Oct 02, 2012 2:42 pm Stormy We upgraded with Henley to the 3 coat system and Taubmans Living Silk Paint not their standard Bristol...cost us about $2K (4 years ago, unsure what they use now, Dulux maybe?). We had 66 defects after our PCI, and most were paint related. Unfortunately, Henley would only allow 'glancing light' defects, and it wasn't until I removed those hideous china man's hats and turned on the lights that the real issues appeared. It wasn't so much a fault of the paint application, but the 'lack of' decent stopping/sanding and prep work. Almost every ceiling in my house you can see joins. and when the sun shines up the hallway at certain times of the year...I just shake my head, it's just awful. Be as ruthless as you like...it's your house! Thanks, yes you can clearly see where the plasterboard joins behind the paint. So in sunlight/bright light its going to be clear where the defects are. It looks like they didn't sand or made little effort to lineup the plasterboard correctly and just painted. Re: Paint defects - how strict were you? 13Oct 02, 2012 3:02 pm On certain walls I expect I'll be more picky than others - I didn't want to go paying $130 just to paint a feature wall. So for the walls I plan to paint over straight away, I'll just be treating the existing paint as an undercoat. I expect I'd be more picky about things like skirting boards not being straight etc. Building a Delta 21 at Craigieburn - http://homeofzero.blogspot.com.au/ Deposit: 26/02. Contract: 22/05. Settlement: 29/05. Site start: 18/10. Re: Paint defects - how strict were you? 15Oct 02, 2012 3:13 pm Buttercup You will find heaps more once you move in.... Exactly! First time I lay on our bed and looked at the ceiling I was horrified!! Henley - Wilshire Mk 3 ... I love my house!! Site start: 4th Feb 09 Handover: 10th Sep 09 Blog: http://stormygirlscastle.blogspot.com/ Build Thread: viewtopic.php?t=7166 Re: Paint defects - how strict were you? 16Oct 02, 2012 5:47 pm Had exactly the same issue all looked OK but when we opened the front door. The afternoon sun coming in made the walls look like they were made from corrugated iron. Our builder came back at 6 months and "fixed" it but that was during the winter - now the sun is at the same angle as previously their fix has actually made the walls worse. Give them hell - they charge so much for painting they should do it properly Re: Paint defects - how strict were you? 17Oct 02, 2012 5:54 pm Thanks for all the replies. Its disappointing to hear that this issue is so common. It seems that unless you watch their work / complain, they get away with the minimum amount of work possible, rather than doing a quality job . The inspector (Darbecca) has proved this so far, so many flaws that I would have missed if I didn't have some professional help Re: Paint defects - how strict were you? 18Oct 02, 2012 6:51 pm I disagree with many of the posts here You are entitled to a reasonable job for a reasonable price and what is reasonable is a question of fact. In addition to that you are entitled to the same standard of finish as the display home or the minimum standard implied. If the job is a two coat paint specification as many volume builder's homes are, no one will convince me you will get a good finish with two coats of paint. It will be just barely acceptable providing also preparation was followed and application is skilful. If you want a good paint job you have to pay more for premium paint and additional preparation and coats. It's the same with plasterboard " Plasterboard is not flat" If you want flat plaster you have to use "plaster glass" at significantly more cost. So if you are paying for a budget plaster and paint job don't expect premium architectural finish, you won't get it and the law won't support you. In saying the above I don't condone poor workmanship nor do I condone owners wanting higher standard of finish than they paid. Quality is a function of price and it's easy to get, all you need to do is specify what you want and the builder will price it accordingly Foremost Building Expert in Australia,assisting with building problems/disputes, building stage inspections,pre-contract review advice for peace of mind 200 blogs http://www.buildingexpert.net.au/blog Re: Paint defects - how strict were you? 19Oct 02, 2012 7:01 pm If the builder mentioned at any stage that the 3 coats of paint would have paint runs, dints and chips, and for an extra $ I can upgrade to better paint/preparation than I would have paid. But they did not, this is not the first issue I've encountered so I will get the builder to do at least a reasonable job on the paint. Also its not a volume builder. Re: Paint defects - how strict were you? 20Oct 02, 2012 7:24 pm Our first house was through a local private builder and as first home owners we did not upgrade anything to do with the paint and the paint job was flawless No plasterboard joins in the ceiling and it was easy to wipe down handprints. So while I understand you get what you pay for surely some of the issues outlined by some of you is not acceptable? I find that this is the single biggest issue I am worried about and will be very nervous when it comes time for our painting to begin, will they do a good job or not? Everything else can go wrong but I just want a good paint job. In the house we are renting now it is brand new but we can see the joins in the ceiling, light or no light which I hate. It just seems like such a common complaint from homeowners these days on blogs that it seems it comes down to poor workmanship. We hired Darbecca to do every stage inspection, and I strongly recommend them to anyone that asks me. 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