Browse Forums Building A New House 1 Jul 27, 2011 11:26 am Hi, I just went by my project and noticed that the single garage being built has an opening only 2 metres wide...it looks very small. I spoke to the builder and he said he is working off the plan and he thought it was small too but didnt want to deviate from the plans..I understand that but surely he could have mentioned something prior to construction...I dont know what is standard and when looking at the plans I thought 2 meters is standard for any single garage, i guess I trusted the architect to do everything right. I know its not the builder's fault but I asked the builder is he can redo it with a wider opening. The full garage width is 3700mm x 3200 height and the opening is 2000mm x 2400mm. The builder has come back saying it will cost $4000 to redo the front and that it will require 1500 new bricks. I dont understand how he came to this figure, surely he can widen the garage an extra 350mm on each side without redoing the entire front...even if he did the entire front would it require 1500 new bricks? Bricks im using are the Australbrick elements zinc . I would appreciate any advice on this. Re: Major Bricking problem..please help!! 4Jul 27, 2011 12:32 pm I looked at my plans and the single garage door is 2400 wide. Looking at your plan above it looks like yours should be 2400 wide and 2000 high. It woudl appear he has built with the measurements the wrong way around. check your plan and if he has done it incorrectly then he can fix it at his expense Building NBG Buckingham 46 on Property in rural Victoria my Building Thread viewtopic.php?f=31&t=46837 Re: Major Bricking problem..please help!! 6Jul 27, 2011 12:41 pm B STAR according to the scale your panel door is about 2.7 meters wide. Looks like the builder may be at fault. I looked at the working drawings and it states 2 meters width, so in essence I dont blame teh builder. Im willing to pay to rectify it and make the opening 0.7m wider but i think $4000 to do it sounds excessive. Builder claiming he needs to tear down 1500 bricks, hire bin to dispose of them and rebrick 1500 bricks + labour. I just dont see how a wall 3.2 x 3.7 (less the opening) uses 1500 bricks. I calculated approx 12 square meter of area requiring brickwork and thats for double bricking...which will approx be abot 450-500 bricks. Am I calculating wrong? Re: Major Bricking problem..please help!! 7Jul 27, 2011 12:46 pm Your builder has it the wrong way about. Looking at that drawing it is clear that the door is wider than it is high. I would be asking the builder if he has perhaps read the height as the width, and the width as the height. I would also be looking at the dimensions of everything else and make sure more little mistakes haven't happened. Re: Major Bricking problem..please help!! 8Jul 27, 2011 1:02 pm some one is at fault here, looks like other elevations show something different which will be the person who drew the plans faults. Also 12 square meters of area is easily 600 bricks, then you have to multiply by 2 for double brick. Re: Major Bricking problem..please help!! 9Jul 27, 2011 1:07 pm Just to clear up some confusion, the builder has bricked the garage as per the working drawings, the image previously posted doesnt really reflect whats in the working drawings but rather an indication of what it should look like. As I mentioned its not the builders fault and I didnt check dimensions with the architect as I thought all dimensions in the plan are standard for all garages. Im just concerned about what the builder is charging to fix it, it seems excessive and just wanted feedback from anyone who nows about how much it should cost or how many bricks are used. See below image for dimensions taken from the working drawings: Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Re: Major Bricking problem..please help!! 10Jul 27, 2011 1:15 pm B STAR some one is at fault here, looks like other elevations show something different which will be the person who drew the plans faults. Also 12 square meters of area is easily 600 bricks, then you have to multiply by 2 for double brick. Going of the dimensions: 3.2 x 3.7 = 11.84 meters square Opening is 2.0 x 2.4 = 4.8 11.84 - 4.8 = 7.04 square meters of current brick work, multiply by 2 (for double brick) = approx 14 square meters New opening will be 2.7 x 2.1 = 5.67 sqaure meters so 11.84 - 5.67 = 6.17 square meters, multiply by 2 (for double brick) = approx 12 sqaure meters in total Does this sound right? Re: Major Bricking problem..please help!! 11Jul 27, 2011 1:25 pm what does the door shedule say for D5, (which is the garage door). The plan has drawn the door narrow, but the schedule should specify the size. m.h. Re: Major Bricking problem..please help!! 12Jul 27, 2011 1:49 pm A1-houseplans what does the door shedule say for D5, (which is the garage door). The plan has drawn the door narrow, but the schedule should specify the size. The size specified is 2 meters. Re: Major Bricking problem..please help!! 13Jul 27, 2011 1:56 pm go back and complain to the architect. m.h. Re: Major Bricking problem..please help!! 15Jul 27, 2011 2:06 pm I would say the Architect has made a significant error, in designing a garage that will not allow a car into it. If this garage was meant for golf carts or motor bikes everything would be OK, but this is a garage for a residence, and of course a car needs to get in there. I would say that the Architect has not taken sufficiient care in preparing the drawings and has given you documents that are not "fit for purpose" m.h. Re: Major Bricking problem..please help!! 16Jul 27, 2011 3:08 pm A1-houseplans I would say the Architect has made a significant error, in designing a garage that will not allow a car into it. If this garage was meant for golf carts or motor bikes everything would be OK, but this is a garage for a residence, and of course a car needs to get in there. I would say that the Architect has not taken sufficiient care in preparing the drawings and has given you documents that are not "fit for purpose" Just called the architect and left a message for him...lets see if he'll actually return my call!! Re: Major Bricking problem..please help!! 17Jul 28, 2011 12:10 am A1-houseplans I would say the Architect has made a significant error, in designing a garage that will not allow a car into it. If this garage was meant for golf carts or motor bikes everything would be OK, but this is a garage for a residence, and of course a car needs to get in there. I would say that the Architect has not taken sufficiient care in preparing the drawings and has given you documents that are not "fit for purpose" That's what I was thinking! It's not a random dimension like if you had of been picturing a living room wall of some length and it turned out a little longer or shorter. (Unless of course you told the architect it has to fit an exact item of furniture and then I suppose it would be between you and him where the communication failed.) But it's a garage. I don't reckon it should be your responsibility to check whether the experts get simple standard stuff right. (It shouldn't be but I know sometimes it is. ) Would you pay for them to fix a front door thats so short people have to bend over to walk in? Would you pay for them to fix a wc thats too narrow for any toilet suite on the market? A single garage ought to be built so its suitable for one typical car. I reckon the builders not off the hook either. How hard would it of been for him to ring the architect and say did you MEAN for the garage door to be narrower then usual? Architect facepalms, says thanks very much for picking up the error, recommends the builder to his future clients cos he's such a cluey on-the-ball tradesman, problem averted for them, your happy, win win win situation! Theres something I thought of to double-check with you though. It isn't your main garage right? So is it reached by a second driveway or an offshoot of the main one or what? Is the driveway to it big enough for a typical car or is the driveway smaller or a tighter turn? Is it possible the architect drew the garage to match the smaller than standard driveway? Re: Major Bricking problem..please help!! 18Jul 28, 2011 9:21 am Quote: Theres something I thought of to double-check with you though. It isn't your main garage right? So is it reached by a second driveway or an offshoot of the main one or what? Is the driveway to it big enough for a typical car or is the driveway smaller or a tighter turn? Is it possible the architect drew the garage to match the smaller than standard driveway? The single garage is the main garage. Its a 2 town house development side by side so one town house has double garage and the other has single garage. The driveway is 3 meters wide according to the plans. I agree with you the builder should have questioned the architect about the garage before bricking it all up. I just dont know the chances of recouping damages from the architect and I definitely dont want to pay $4000 to get it fixed. Re: Major Bricking problem..please help!! 20Jul 28, 2011 3:04 pm cbboyz The architect decided not to call me so I emailed him last night, his response today: "Since you were building the garage why didn’t you question the size" I'd be responding with: 'I have questioned the size, which is why I have contacted you. Since you drew the plans, didn't you notice the inconsistent and incorrect dimensions'. In the end the problem was caused by your architects lack of attention to detail and having incorrect and inaccurate dimensions on his drawings. It really is his fault it has occurred, and I would be following it up with him. It would have been nice for the builder to have questioned it when it looked incorrect, but in the end the blame ****** with the Architect. 2 5860 I don’t think so as the floor area over 300 square meters then it is class 3…. 12 17943 Thankyou so much 😀 I've decided on White on white for doors and trims, White on white 50% on ceiling and Mt buller for walls. Fingers crossed it will look OK 😀 2 7171 |