Browse Forums Building A New House Re: Porter Davis homes 7281May 15, 2013 12:28 am I'd be pushing the point on this one. You are well within your rights for an itemized invoice, maybe mention consumer affairs and they'll get moving. Before we had paid out deposit we were doing the walk thru of the house and the 'grand alfresco' outdoor kitchen is what sold it for us and were told yes yes of course you can have this. Deposit paid and we walk back through and all of a sudden they can't do the outdoor kitchen or any of the decking. I'm sorry but don't advertise what you can't provide. I wish they would have a set of display homes in each range and have them in base model / category 1. They are stil beautiful houses but I'm sure most of us make up our minds on the display homes, half of which are unobtainable. My rant over Re: Porter Davis homes 7282May 15, 2013 10:07 am ![]() good to hear what you have all been up to! ftd, what kinds of items did you add in your electrical. Looking forward to seeing your colour selection pics! We added extra power points, a power point to the island bench, two way switches here and there for the downlights which we also decided to put in the living areas only (and in the bathroom above the vanity's), additional exhaust fan in the laundry (for the dryer), external power points, external junction boxes for outdoor lights, we put in an alarm and a few other small bits and pieces such as fluro lights in the garage, data points, telephone points, tv points, just all the usual stuff!. The biggest cost for us was the downlights. We thought about getting these fitted afterwards but we don't have any electrician friends so we just decided to do it. In terms of any outdoor lighting, to meet the 6 star rating any outdoor lights you have need to be on a sensor and they are EXPENSIVE ($200 odd I think). So we put in the junction boxes and we will get lighting at a later date and we can determine what is on a sensor and what isn't ![]() Re: Porter Davis homes 7283May 15, 2013 10:08 am ![]() Hi All, first time writer, long time lurker ![]() Anyway, we are at tender stage. Having a multitude of problems. Have read thru the thread and have various problems of what others have experienced. ftdt7882, I find pricing transparency a major issue with them also. I went and did my colour selection with my friend and asked for the bulk of the prices to be included in the tender so we have time to work out whether we can afford what we have chosen. We do electrical next week so I am interested to see how it goes! PS, I think Essa is really expensive. We chose a cat 3 which was phenomenal! I think caesarstone is heaps cheaper so keep pushing for it. ![]() Good idea about including things in tender. We did this for most stuff but there was some things we just couldn't get pricing on, but that's ok we can work on it! I was quoted $2200 to upgrade to Essa Stone Cat 2 in the kitchen and pantry - almost fell off my chair! Re: Porter Davis homes 7284May 15, 2013 10:13 am ![]() ![]() Electrical went well however I missed the part at the beginning where the lady said that we don't get an itemised quote with pricing. I asked for it at the end and was told no. I get all the items listed but just a total figure. Surely I am well within my rights to ask for a price next to each of the items? What if I want to change things?! I have no idea how much they cost and am just taking their word for it that the pricing adds up to the total. Hmmmmmm. PD, I think that needs to change! This is definitely a change. We did our Electrical back in Feb and we could see the costs add up as we went along. They were on the screen in front of us as we went. It was a new computer program they were using (1-2 weeks into it with teething issues). Mind you recently we had a building variation and noticed that all the pricing was now missing from the document so I have requested this from my BC. Astonished that it has changed. We actually included some things because we could see the cost and balance up our choices. We could see the costs adding up as we went along but the part I missed was that we get a total at the end but it isn't itemised and that we should "write any pricing down" as they don't give itemised pricing at the end. Having said that, I KNOW they can do it because the first copy of the quote we were given had the itemised pricing and it was quickly taken away and replaced with another copy ![]() I had a bit of a headache on the day so I digress that I wasn't listening to everything at the beginning as I was scoffing nurofen, however, we are now in a position where we are over budget and I need to know pricing should we want to pull anything out of our electrical selections. I know I am well within my rights to ask for and receive this, it should not be hidden or made unavailable and it is totally unacceptable that it is! Re: Porter Davis homes 7285May 15, 2013 10:29 am ![]() ![]() ![]() Electrical went well however I missed the part at the beginning where the lady said that we don't get an itemised quote with pricing. I asked for it at the end and was told no. I get all the items listed but just a total figure. Surely I am well within my rights to ask for a price next to each of the items? What if I want to change things?! I have no idea how much they cost and am just taking their word for it that the pricing adds up to the total. Hmmmmmm. PD, I think that needs to change! This is definitely a change. We did our Electrical back in Feb and we could see the costs add up as we went along. They were on the screen in front of us as we went. It was a new computer program they were using (1-2 weeks into it with teething issues). Mind you recently we had a building variation and noticed that all the pricing was now missing from the document so I have requested this from my BC. Astonished that it has changed. We actually included some things because we could see the cost and balance up our choices. We could see the costs adding up as we went along but the part I missed was that we get a total at the end but it isn't itemised and that we should "write any pricing down" as they don't give itemised pricing at the end. Having said that, I KNOW they can do it because the first copy of the quote we were given had the itemised pricing and it was quickly taken away and replaced with another copy ![]() I had a bit of a headache on the day so I digress that I wasn't listening to everything at the beginning as I was scoffing nurofen, however, we are now in a position where we are over budget and I need to know pricing should we want to pull anything out of our electrical selections. I know I am well within my rights to ask for and receive this, it should not be hidden or made unavailable and it is totally unacceptable that it is! My hubby also had a headache, stuffy and no air flow in there! We definitely were given the itemised account - the one we signed on the day. If you need help with prices, I have listed some on my blog under electrical tab or ask any other questions. All in all though, yes you should get a copy. Re: Porter Davis homes 7286May 15, 2013 10:32 am ![]() My hubby also had a headache, stuffy and no air flow in there! We definitely were given the itemised account - the one we signed on the day. If you need help with prices, I have listed some on my blog under electrical tab or ask any other questions. All in all though, yes you should get a copy. I had a doozy of a headache. I went home, took more pain killers and had a 2 hour sleep afterwards!! Thanks, I think I remember seeing that list! I have also emailed my BC asking for an itemised copy. It really is unacceptable that we weren't given it! Re: Porter Davis homes 7287May 15, 2013 10:56 am I'm posting up a storm today!!! ![]() I've found a few errors in my colour selections for my external colours - trying to figure out if it is my memory and we did indeed select those (because we discussed so much on the day) or if it was entered wrong, pretty certain it was entered wrong though. In the process of trying to change them, figure out what colour benchtops we are getting and also changing our kitchen splashback as I'm no longer happy with it. Oh and the bath. Waiting to hear back about the bath. I'm frazzled, as soon as I have it all sorted I will post my colours!! Re: Porter Davis homes 7288May 15, 2013 12:44 pm ftd, on selection day, do you get an outline at the end of the appointment with all the selections? Or is it only a few days later or something? I'm going to take my most up to date wish list on the day and hope everything we select is close to this document! Our build: viewtopic.php?f=31&t=64705 Re: Porter Davis homes 7289May 15, 2013 12:49 pm ![]() ftd, on selection day, do you get an outline at the end of the appointment with all the selections? Or is it only a few days later or something? I'm going to take my most up to date wish list on the day and hope everything we select is close to this document! Sorry, I just realised you PM'd me too, I will respond to that!! Yes, you get a document on the day with every single selection for your colours. You also get most prices - the only prices we didn't get was bricks (very common but we were told to allow $1k per category upgrade), frosted glass pricing for the sidelights next to the front door and pricing for extending the 'drop' of the overhead cupboards so you don't open them with a handle but open them from underneath? This was because Hopetoun didn't have our final plans. Re: Porter Davis homes 7290May 15, 2013 5:35 pm Hi All Those that have done colours - do they give you an indication of the cost? We have incorporated the essa stone in the tender (so we had an idea) but what about vinyl wrap v silk v crystal gloss finishes to the doors. Do they tell you roughly or exactly? After reading my Hopetoun apt letter, I find it strange that they say "colours will need to be finalised" however, from my understanding, they don't give you prices until contract. What happens if you cant afford the options you have chosen? Same for electricals? Re: Porter Davis homes 7291May 15, 2013 6:10 pm ![]() Hi All Those that have done colours - do they give you an indication of the cost? We have incorporated the essa stone in the tender (so we had an idea) but what about vinyl wrap v silk v crystal gloss finishes to the doors. Do they tell you roughly or exactly? After reading my Hopetoun apt letter, I find it strange that they say "colours will need to be finalised" however, from my understanding, they don't give you prices until contract. What happens if you cant afford the options you have chosen? Same for electricals? Hi ajd78 - we had to wait ages and ages till we got a price on upgrading the kitchen (like months - started asking for a price in Dec and didn't get the price till March!!!!) - actually we didn't get the price until we demanded all the costs before we made our contract appointment. We are building the Drysdale and have included the cupboard above the fridge cavity: Price of upgrading the kitchen cupboard doors to the Laminex Colourtech Colonial Square in the Satin $6,904 Upgrading the kitchen cupboard doors to the Gloss Door Profile - same price as Satin$6,904 Upgrading the kitchen cupboard doors to the Colonial Square - Profile to doors are included in price We decided not to go with the gloss or satin finish. We are having profiled doors - Shaker - and there is not charge for the profile - you just pay more if you want a different finish on the doors so we are not paying any thing extra - the profile is considered standard. Hope that helps you with an approximate price... You do get approximate prices at your colours appointment - we found that the prices were either spot on or they quoted more at the colours than what it ended up being at contract. Your SC and/or BC should be able to provide you with all of your prices for your upgrades. Just keep asking for the prices - send emails every week till you get your information. Don't forget to check out the cost and upgrades thread on here too for PD. BTW - The doc we got to bring home from our colours appointment did list some prices of some of the upgrades (like taps and doors so you do have a fairly good general idea of the prices at the appointment) Re: Porter Davis homes 7292May 15, 2013 6:24 pm ![]() ![]() My hubby also had a headache, stuffy and no air flow in there! We definitely were given the itemised account - the one we signed on the day. If you need help with prices, I have listed some on my blog under electrical tab or ask any other questions. All in all though, yes you should get a copy. I had a doozy of a headache. I went home, took more pain killers and had a 2 hour sleep afterwards!! Thanks, I think I remember seeing that list! I have also emailed my BC asking for an itemised copy. It really is unacceptable that we weren't given it! Headaches here too on the day - both Hubby and myself. It also didn't help that they had music playing in the electrical room so it made it really hard to concentrate with music, another appointment in the same room and headaches. We were given an itemised list on the day, but there were not prices on it apart from the total. Re: Porter Davis homes 7293May 15, 2013 6:31 pm ![]() ftd, on selection day, do you get an outline at the end of the appointment with all the selections? Or is it only a few days later or something? I'm going to take my most up to date wish list on the day and hope everything we select is close to this document! You do get to take home a doc with everything you've chosen at your colours appointment (ours was 8 pages long). And there are prices on it at the end for the items you've upgraded (like the taps and doors) Take along all that you need to - including pictures of styles you like (pinterest is a great place to get lots of ideas ![]() ![]() When is your colours appointment? Re: Porter Davis homes 7294May 15, 2013 7:00 pm Yikes to the cost of the gloss!!! I will have to look up profiles or maybe deselect the colour of the bench to a cat 1... Wow. I wonder if vinyl wrap is cheaper. I hope so! Our colour apt is next week and I have already selected everything - so hopefully that will make it easier! (ie no headaches). Except for cost headaches that is! haha Thanks for your cost help. Is anyone doing a knock down rebuild? I think it adds a whole other level of stress to have to organise demolition as well ![]() Re: Porter Davis homes 7295May 15, 2013 7:27 pm ![]() Is anyone doing a knock down rebuild? I think it adds a whole other level of stress to have to organise demolition as well ![]() Hi Ajd78, We are also doing a knockdown rebuild and I totally agree, its totally another whole level of stress. I've been having issues moreso due to fencing, my old block had brick fences that were in quite bad shape so I've had to contact the neighbours, demolish the brick fences and concrete foundation and now I'm scrambling to get fencing quotes! Specifically on the demolition though, we used Gravity Demolition and they were spectacular. Professional, prompt and quick to respond with queries. They can cap water but unfortunately won't do capping of waste so I had to engage a plumber for that. Then add that you have to apply for an asset protection permit from the council, temporary fencing, abolishment of services, installation of an electrical pit potentially..........its certainly very draining! Re: Porter Davis homes 7296May 15, 2013 7:28 pm We had our colour and electrical today. Headaches all round ![]() Can I suggest to Anyone going to colours/electrically CONFIRM that hopetoun have the CORRECT plans BEFORE they go there. We had tender two weeks ago and already put back our appointments so that we could make sure that they had our plans to work from. So we talk in today " sorry we don't have your plans but we can mock some up". Not good enough! We already had two separate tenders because of PD issues and left two week so the plans would be there. Not to mention i had to pay for someone else to cover me for the day. ![]() A few minutes later the plans were available, it seems that the draftsman did not publish it(?). So then another 20 minutes while they did whatever they have to do to get the plans so they can be worked on. Why this is important. We moved walls and changed from a lounge to a guest suite, deleted a bedroom and changed the ensuite layout and added walls. As we deleted a bed room it is important they get the plans because it gives us a double PowerPoint, switch and battern that can be credited back or used somewhere else. The guest suite cost includes a power point, switch, battern. We added an enclosed WC to the ensuite, cost includes a light and switch. We may have ended up paying for them again as they were added to the mock up as they were not on the inclusions list on the standard plan. Whilst I am told that they would compare what we chose with the plans, in our case a service duct had been moved to where we wanted powerpoints and cavity sliders meant we could not use a wall for switches, another duct meant we could not have the dustpan for the vac where we wanted it either. Given that you " cannot change anything" 48hours after signing I assume the electrical lady would have made these changes onto the plan wherever she felt best. When would we see these changes? When we would we be asked to sign off on this? Ummm no you have already signed for the electrical. You would have to take it up with your BC Just be aware people Sorry, end rant here ![]() Re: Porter Davis homes 7297May 15, 2013 8:19 pm That sounds terrible back pocket! I have a feeling we will have the same problem. We haven't even signed our tender - due to issues with the appointment but demanded we keep our tile and colour appointment because the problems at tender were not our fault. So, if fairness to PD, they have kept the apt but hope it doesn't cause problems. I have tried for 2 days to contact my BC and haven't had a call back.. Tiles could be interesting on Friday! Serenity_Now, we were recommended to use Gravity demolition, but they were a lot more expensive than who we chose. I am assuming you are out in the SE then. Who did you hire the fence from? I am up to that now.. Ah, the process! Re: Porter Davis homes 7298May 15, 2013 8:30 pm inglewood and ftd, ah ok thanks. That's good to know. Inglewood, our appointment is next week. We have been into Hopetoun numerous times already, and it was encouraging that the designers have validated my choices all together when I have showed them. (I have been quite proactive in that I have been looking at samples of wall colour, flooring, laminex etc etc for weeks and weeks now. We've even decided on skirting, splashback, front door etc.) When I explain the kind of furniture we have, and show them the samples we have chosen, they confirm I am on the right track, which is reassuring. BackPocket, that is not good. Not off to a good start with the selection appointment then. I would have been having conniptions. I will learn from your misfortune and email Hopetoun to check next week. Our build: viewtopic.php?f=31&t=64705 Re: Porter Davis homes 7299May 15, 2013 9:23 pm Finally put up our upgrade costs on the costs thread ![]() Good luck Meowsy for next week. Don't upgrade your cupboard handles - do that after change over - it's much cheaper to buy them on ebay or from overseas (I've seen some lovely ones in America that even with the $$$ shipping will still come in less than what PD have). Looking forward to seeing your choices. Backpocket and ajd78 - what a pain! We couldn't attend our contract on the scheduled date and so refused to make a contract date until the information we wanted was provided. We're still sorting out a few mistakes made in our contract and our contract appointment was almost one month ago - but we're not in a rush b/c our land hasn't settled yet and we're not signing the contract till we are happy with it. Re: Porter Davis homes 7300May 15, 2013 11:42 pm ![]() We had our colour and electrical today. Headaches all round ![]() Can I suggest to Anyone going to colours/electrically CONFIRM that hopetoun have the CORRECT plans BEFORE they go there. We had tender two weeks ago and already put back our appointments so that we could make sure that they had our plans to work from. So we talk in today " sorry we don't have your plans but we can mock some up". Not good enough! We already had two separate tenders because of PD issues and left two week so the plans would be there. Not to mention i had to pay for someone else to cover me for the day. ![]() A few minutes later the plans were available, it seems that the draftsman did not publish it(?). So then another 20 minutes while they did whatever they have to do to get the plans so they can be worked on. Why this is important. We moved walls and changed from a lounge to a guest suite, deleted a bedroom and changed the ensuite layout and added walls. As we deleted a bed room it is important they get the plans because it gives us a double PowerPoint, switch and battern that can be credited back or used somewhere else. The guest suite cost includes a power point, switch, battern. We added an enclosed WC to the ensuite, cost includes a light and switch. We may have ended up paying for them again as they were added to the mock up as they were not on the inclusions list on the standard plan. Whilst I am told that they would compare what we chose with the plans, in our case a service duct had been moved to where we wanted powerpoints and cavity sliders meant we could not use a wall for switches, another duct meant we could not have the dustpan for the vac where we wanted it either. Given that you " cannot change anything" 48hours after signing I assume the electrical lady would have made these changes onto the plan wherever she felt best. When would we see these changes? When we would we be asked to sign off on this? Ummm no you have already signed for the electrical. You would have to take it up with your BC Just be aware people Sorry, end rant here ![]() Hi Back Pocket, The situation you have described here has obviously been very frustrating and I am concerned about the service you have received. Could you please PM me with your contact and build details and I will have this followed up with the appropriate manager? Regards, Helen Porter Davis Homes Questions? Call 1800PORTER Mon - Fri 9am-8pm Sat - Sun 10am-4pm info@porterdavis.com.au http://blog.porterdavis.com.au/ http://www.porterdavishomes.com.au Wow that is terrible about the insurance! I guess ideally proof of insurance should be provided prior to first deposit but I'd imagine they would refuse to be out of… 17 9367 There isn't any need to. As I wrote previously, there isn't a set term, there is just commencement based on earlier of contract signing or building permit issue and… 24 9144 Three options 1 Ask the liquidator 2 Find another PD customer and ask the source of their report 3 Pay for new report 3 2628 ![]() |