Building A New House
Re: Porter Davis homes61
Dec 04, 2006 10:36 pm
My understanding is that yes, you can. The people we were looking at building our permanent fence also offered temp fencing.
Only trick is you need to get on to it quick smart because once your site supervisor puts temp fencing up, they won't reimburse you if you later go & erect a permanent fence or replace the temp fencing (& yes, you can build permanent fencing once the temp fencing is up - you just need to organise it with your site supervisor).
We've found this out the hard way because we organised to put permanent fencing up but PD's wires got crossed & the site supervisior never knew about it...by the time the fencing company were ready to go, PD were about to lay the base & they'd already put temp fencing up (instead of waiting until after they'd laid the base, like most companies) &, whilst we can come & put fencing up if we want to, they won't reimburse the cost of the temp fencing. As it is, we've decided not to put it up yet - the last thing I want is damage to my nice new fance.
Dec 05, 2006 4:51 pm
So What's with this temp fencing thing.We have been told $900 for temp fencing by PD.I've contacted our local council and they tell me in writing that it is not a compulsory requirement of that council for building .
Why then must "WE" meet the cost of an item that is not needed and not asked for? Fourteen houses being built on this estate and only one has a temp fence around it....What gives.
From the HIA guide to builders:
"5.4.2 Site fencing
Temporary fencing of the site boundary or early installation of
boundary fencing is increasingly a requirement by councils on
residential building site. Fencing of the boundary may provide some
protection against theft, help keep building activities to the site and
help to restrict site access from the public
Whilst site fencing is not a requirement under local law within all
municipalities nor defined specifically under Victorian legislation the
practice is increasingly occuring to protect the health and safety
of all who may enter the site. This is as contained within Section
20 to Section 23 of the Occupational Health and Safety Act 2004.
In brief, the Act imposes a duty on employers and site supervisors
to eliminate risks to health and safety so far as is reasonably
Re: Porter Davis homes63
Dec 06, 2006 8:57 am
We paid for temporary fencing through PD and not once has it ever been locked. In fact things have been repeatedly stolen from our building site and they still have not tried to lock up.
Good luck arguing your point with them. Almost impossible to get them to bend the rules.
Re: Porter Davis homes64
Dec 06, 2006 7:31 pm
Ye ha! PD after confirming with council that there was no requirement will credit our account....BUT should it be required to put a fence up after building starts we must pay the full amount.So there you go.
Re: Porter Davis homes65
Dec 11, 2006 7:18 am
Just wanted to share a nice story of my experience with PD.
No mistakes with or issues with Tender. A few mistakes with contract ie. spelling of surname, electricals in wrongs spots...actually I think they were it.
Guaranteed site start by August and in the last week of August our house started works.
We had thigns go missing from on site as well but nothing held up the building process whatsoever. In fact, 20 weeks guaranteed completion was in February 2007 and we settled last week!!! We went through the house with a fine tooth comb and my husband and I are very happy. My uncle is an architect and he watched over the whole process with us which made us more comfortable seeing it is our first time building.
Yes there were a few hiccups.
1. Wrong tiles were layed to the bath face and hob... I called PD about it on a Monday and by the wednesday it had been ripped out and tiled correctly
2. During first inspection before settlement noticed a few paint scratches, spilt paint, 1 x blocked shower drain... by settlement which was one week later... they were all attended to.
I have personally had a wonderful experience and I wouldn't hesitate going back to them if were to build again.
We didn't get our land through PD but they were still so helpful. They offered us blanket site cost cover which was a fixed price rather than relying on counting how many rocks were pulled up from the site. We built up in Mernda which is Northern areas and generally considered very rocky. So we were pleased to be offered blanket costs of only $8,000 as I know some people who have reached up to $20,000!!!
I wish everyone out there who have bad experiences with any builder all the best and I hope it all gets sorted out. It should be a lovely experience and not stressful.
For all those with upcoming holidays.. enjoy
Dec 11, 2006 9:20 am
I agree with you joenk8i - building should be enjoyable. I think the more people who know what to look out for, or how to handle the situations builders put them in the easier it will be.
Its kind of like 'can you trust the builder?'. When you don't know or are a first time builder you place a lot of trust on them to get it right. eg You freak out when the tiles are wrong, but then they fix them.
Unfortunately some builders just make it hard though!
So sounds like you'd recommend Porter?
Re: Porter Davis homes67
Dec 12, 2006 6:57 am
yes I would, I would definately recommend them.
The way I see it is an absolutely perfect, no hiccup process is ideal, but highly unlikely to happen. We were greatful for the way our process went and the way that PD handled the situations that they were faced with.
Re: Porter Davis homes68
Dec 12, 2006 10:50 am
Nice to hear about your positive experience, joenk8i!
But I agree with BestBuilder in that building your home (no matter if its the first or the tenth) should be enjoyable. And yes, it does come down to arming yourself with as much information as possible and knowing how to handle the situation.
From my experience just being organised and having done all our research before hand has worked in our favour. And we've also taken the mentality that we call the shots and don't let them pressure us into anything.
Unfortunately, though, there are some bad eggs in a bunch and it's hard to deal with them when they try to make it harder for you.
I think at this stage I would also recommend PD but I think next time, I'd like to custom build.
Re: Porter Davis homes69
Dec 12, 2006 11:42 pm
After having a long (& good) discussion with our site manager, there's a wee tip I'd like to pass on.
If building with PD, request your independant building inspection reports to be passed on to you as soon as they've been done (you need to do this through your site supervisor, not the admin person). Otherwise you won't get them till handover...which is too late if you want to review what was wrong & what was done to correct the problems. We'd been considering getting an inspection done ourselves but as we've already paid to have them done through PD, we're waiting to reivew them before making a final decision about getting another one done.
We've nearly finished bricking. The electrical is almost finished & the soundproofing is in. We start plastering next week & should be at lockup by christmas.
So far, so good. I even feel a bit better about the vandalism...apparently the house round the corner (same site supervisor) had $10k worth of damage done to it recently...incl all the copper wiring stripped out of it. Makes our broken windows look tame. Stupid kids.
Re: Porter Davis homes70
Dec 13, 2006 11:52 am
I agree, would recommend them BUT would love to custom build next time
Gee, I wonder how much that will set us back!! I think I would want the works, I've already started thinking of ideas of what I would like in our next home!
Re: Porter Davis homes71
Dec 16, 2006 10:00 pm
We caught the vandals!!!!!
We decided to swing past the house tonight...& guess who we caught coming out of the house when we arrived. Three kids who I've seen in the vincinity before (shortly before the 2nd spate of vandalism). Hubby took chase (the kids were on bikes), throwing the odd brick to scare the **** out of them. I waddled at speed afterwards (I'm 39 weeks preggers). It was quite funny, really.
Unfortunately we didn't catch them but our daughter was with us & she recognised them from her school. They're only 11 years old. Grrrrrr. We're going to the school on Monday to find out their details so we can pass them on to police - the police have already said they'll follow it up if we can get their full names. If they have also been involved in the vandalism of the house round the corner (same site manager as is doing ours), I suspect PD will have something to say to the parents as well.
Unfortunately the theft continues, though (& it won't be the silly 11 year olds). Some obnoxious twit (or twits) has stolen the air con unit off the top of our roof. It was there on Thursday at 6.30pm (when we were there) & was gone Friday complete with damage to the wall where they got up. We're seriously considering installing a wireless webcam to catch them in the act.
Re: Porter Davis homes75
Dec 29, 2006 10:28 am
we had our sink stolen! who steals sinks?!!!
It doesn't cost us any more, but what it does mean is another one needs to be ordered and more 'unforseen' delays to the construction. (which indirectly adds costs to everyone.. coz time is money...
Re: Porter Davis homes76
Jan 30, 2007 6:13 pm
We also are building with PD the Heywood 28 in Whittlesea which is in the north of Melbourne. We also had to pay the 3k for being out of there area. We went through the Mernda Offices and were told about the 3k after we payed the $600. PD prices are very differnt in price to what you can get if you shop around yourself. Like flooring we wanted floating flooring through our house so we got a quote from them 17k for the boards. We through this to be a bit high so we shopped around and we got timber flooring not floating for 10k and carpet which they quoted as $4500 we can get for $3500 which is ten times better then they have in the standed range. PD also don't seem to like you getting stuff for the house yourself as the Company we work for we are able to get things cheaper then what PD can. Other then that so far so good.
Re: Porter Davis homes77
Jan 31, 2007 12:24 am
we had our sink stolen! who steals sinks?!!!
The same sort of person who steals an air con unit...or half a sliding door (someone suggested it was to replace part of the door they stole from us a couple of months ago)...or towel rails (according to the people down the road)...I mean who bothers to steal towel rails when you can pick them up for less than $20??!
PD also don't seem to like you getting stuff for the house yourself
I think it depends a bit on who you're dealing with at PD. Our sales guy was very frank with us that not everything PD can offer is a good price & he strongly recommended us to source some items ourselves as PD simply couldn't do a decent price for them. Our site manager has also been good about letting us do some things ourselves or source them through other companies.
For example, PD weren't going to insulate between the floors but hubby is a sound nazi & really wanted as much insualtion as he could to reduce noise inside - especially round the media room. Our site manager said he wasn't going to do between-floor insualtion as he couldn't add to our order & the plastering was going up the next day...but that if someone happened to go in & install insulation that night before they plastered, he wouldn't remove it - they would just plaster over it. So that's what we did. And we now have accoustic insulation between floors.
Re: Porter Davis homes78
Jan 31, 2007 7:38 am
Vandals and robbers are such a burden. They seem to ruin what should be a generally pleasant and exciting experience for home builders.
My partner and I drove past our block on the weekend and while there we drive around the estate looking at other people's houses and see how they're progressing. We saw one house with grafitti all over the front and door and window plus one set of windows completely smashed. The house next to it had two sets of sliding doors completely smashed, too.
We had our contract appointment a couple of days ago and the lady presenting it to us told us the story about how her sister's island benchtop was stolen. Mind you, she said, it was just a standard laminate benchtop. It wasn't even stone or granite. I pressume that whoever stole her benchtop was the same person who stole Yamster's sink and epiphany's aircon and sliding door. Maybe they're building a house out of everyone else's bits and pieces.
Re: Porter Davis homes79
Jan 31, 2007 7:53 am
Then you get the people who wander round your site looking for anything that isn't nailed down. I was onsite last week re-securing all the doors (how come, when you're at lock up, nothing is actually locked up & you can still get into the house??!) after a friend drove past & noticed someone had tried to remove our nice wooden windows...again...even though they're already installed & plastered round (so they damaged the plaster as well). While I was inside, a couple with a baby walked past. I noticed the woman standing outside the site & my friend went out to tell her to leave as she was on private property. Said woman then started yelling in Cantonese at someone & it was then we realised her husband was brazenly walking round the house, despite it being obvious someone was onsite. My friend's hubby went out & told him to leave but he wouldn't go. He claimed he was looking at the house plan. He was actually looking to see if there was anything on the property worth taking (eg wood, bricks, etc) & absolutely refused to leave until my friend's hubby got quite insistant.
Our neighbours-to-be are having trouble with people dumping rubbish on the site. They have a skip outside (we don't...PD seem to use sack-type things instead) & our neighbour-to-be was saying that the other day some nice member of the community dumped a whole lot of soiled baby nappies on the building site, among other things. Yuck.
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