I was lucky enough in my last 2 houses to have flexible SS
hahaha they have enough of our money!
Hey if a few cartons of beer will make things go faster/smoother/more cheaply I'll be dropping them around every friday!
Browse Forums Building A New House Re: Porter Davis homes 14031Jan 23, 2017 5:20 pm orchis lizbf85 bd3watson [quote="thejuros"]Can anyone answer if the INTERNAL walls come insulated? Or is it just the external and ceiling? We upgraded our master bedroom & ensuite to have 'acoustic soundproof' in all walls. But I hadn't realised that the internal walls may not come insulated??? The internal walls Do NOT come insulated (acoustic or otherwise) if you do not request it... this is one thing we never even discussed nor were asked about. i only knew this was possible after the fact, we would have put in the acoustic in our living/bedroom walls no idea if we can get up in the roof and do it afterwards, probably not We're in the process of building with PD. Our experience has been that pretty much nobody at PD really understands insulation, even though the acoustic batts are displayed at World of Style. From the get go, we were after insulating our build (inlc. Hebel, DG windows and higher rated thermal batts for ceiling and walls. The Sales consultant didn't understand our request and always had is wrong in our quote, then deferring to the WoS appointment. At the WoS appointment, literally nobody could answer any questions in relation to insulation (internal acoustic or external thermal) and deferred to the Building Coordinator amongst many other inquiries. As we are building from the Advantage, we were meant to go straight to Contract, though the BC requested we go trough Tender first to be able to address the all the open items previously deferred now on her desk. Anyhow at Tender, finally the first person to understand insulation, although we required a few drafts through the Tender appointment to get it right as seemingly the drafts people amongst those not getting it. We got the ceiling upgraded (incl Garage and alfresco) has internal wall insulation sorted for acoustic, and external walls upgraded to R2.5. Though with all the back and forth the day went quick and not all items were cleaned up and as most the office had gone home for the weekend we weren't able to finalise. Didn't stop the tender consultant with pressuring us to sign the presented Tender, unfinished. We negotiated and agreed to come in following week and sign on completion of the open items (ie. pricing for some windows). Which we did, and just went through the open items. I signed the document though not the plans as they were mostly still not ready. On receiving a copy after the new year, as we hadn't paid in cash on the day, I noticed that PD had removed the external R2.5 wall insulation, without consulting us this was done, and wasn't discussed at the followup signing appointment. Now PD claim this was never included..! only referencing the previous quote and tender markup, though not the last issue printed and presented for signing. Although not denying its existence, as neither the Building Coordinator nor the Tender consultant clearly answer to yes/no, rather with misleading comments inferring this was requested on the markup but agreed to defer to the energy star report. Now claiming if I want to have an upgrade to the external wall I'd need to pay extra at Contract! What to do... I've heard of and have experienced PD's non disclosure policy, but this is more than that. I'm finding this behaviour not only misleading but unethical, and now looking to ascertain if it's also possibly illegal. Regards[/quote] Interesting... I was told by my BC not to add insulation until the contract appointment as if it is needed for energy rating purposes PD will provide it and may not charge us (which was the case) As I have said time and time again to people If I was you and they are trying to screw you then complain to the manager (don't accept your BC saying that they are fighting for you) actually speak to the manager and if that doesn't work get to a manager that will give you the upgrade for the price you want... eventually you will prevail, you just need to be persistent! Home Blog: https://waldorfgrange.wordpress.com/ Re: Porter Davis homes 14032Jan 24, 2017 7:41 am bd3watson orchis lizbf85 this is one thing we never even discussed nor were asked about. i only knew this was possible after the fact, we would have put in the acoustic in our living/bedroom walls no idea if we can get up in the roof and do it afterwards, probably not Though with all the back and forth the day went quick and not all items were cleaned up and as most the office had gone home for the weekend we weren't able to finalise. Didn't stop the tender consultant with pressuring us to sign the presented Tender, unfinished. We negotiated and agreed to come in following week and sign on completion of the open items (ie. pricing for some windows). Which we did, and just went through the open items. I signed the document though not the plans as they were mostly still not ready. On receiving a copy after the new year, as we hadn't paid in cash on the day, I noticed that PD had removed the external R2.5 wall insulation, without consulting us this was done, and wasn't discussed at the followup signing appointment. Interesting... I was told by my BC not to add insulation until the contract appointment as if it is needed for energy rating purposes PD will provide it and may not charge us (which was the case) As I have said time and time again to people If I was you and they are trying to screw you then complain to the manager (don't accept your BC saying that they are fighting for you) actually speak to the manager and if that doesn't work get to a manager that will give you the upgrade for the price you want... eventually you will prevail, you just need to be persistent! I agree. To meet 6 star rating on our house with Hebel, they had to put R2.5 in the walls and R6 in the roof. I'd only ask for an upgrade after that have done the energy rating. On a side note it bugs me that they make you double glaze 1 or 2 windows to meet 6 star. Not sure that 1 or 2 windows would be efficient when the rest of the house isn't. Re: Porter Davis homes 14033Jan 24, 2017 8:07 am PieMan I agree. To meet 6 star rating on our house with Hebel, they had to put R2.5 in the walls and R6 in the roof. I'd only ask for an upgrade after that have done the energy rating. On a side note it bugs me that they make you double glaze 1 or 2 windows to meet 6 star. Not sure that 1 or 2 windows would be efficient when the rest of the house isn't. At what stage do you find out what insulation they are going to have to put in to get up to a 6 star energy rating? Given we don't have a tender appointment and go straight to contract, I'd want to know in advance of the contract if they are going to put some in or if we will have to pay extra for it. Also I was under the impression that if you make any changes to the design then you're on the hook for any extra costs that are needed to get it up to a 6 star rating, does that apply if you do some of the options that they have such as study, linen cupboards etc or is it only if you make structural changes besides the options they have? Building a Kew 28 with Porter Davis Re: Porter Davis homes 14034Jan 24, 2017 10:20 am Hurrow At what stage do you find out what insulation they are going to have to put in to get up to a 6 star energy rating? Given we don't have a tender appointment and go straight to contract, I'd want to know in advance of the contract if they are going to put some in or if we will have to pay extra for it. Also I was under the impression that if you make any changes to the design then you're on the hook for any extra costs that are needed to get it up to a 6 star rating, does that apply if you do some of the options that they have such as study, linen cupboards etc or is it only if you make structural changes besides the options they have? From our experience we discovered the 6 star costs at contract.. actually it might have been just before as our BC confirmed prior to the appointment. She knew it would be the end of the road for us if those costs blew out. ( Dw- we were hit with a $10k cost of a pump for our LPOD prior to this) If you go straight to contract i would follow up your BC and ask the question time and time again. They will know the cost before this appointment, that way you can be prepared. 6 star is one of those things that isn't negotiable. They certainly get you at any 'change' you make. Luckily for us with all the changes we made upgrading all the windows, stacker door and other structural changes to the back of our house (which is west facing into the sun) there was $0 cost... we actually were shocked! and didn't ask another question... Strangely the same house was being built at the same time we had signed, also east facing ( back to the west) and they were charged thousands to be 6 star!!! ( same upgraded windows) It really makes no sense at all.... and there is absolutely no justification to it. Like ive said since day one it seems PD work on a profit quota with each client, once they have hit it BOOM...*wipes hands clean*. Making the profit anyway they can, as different rules seem to apply for the exact same build. Thanks to this forum we can all see first hand whats actually happening. Re: Porter Davis homes 14035Jan 24, 2017 6:09 pm PieMan bd3watson orchis [quote="lizbf85"]this is one thing we never even discussed nor were asked about. i only knew this was possible after the fact, we would have put in the acoustic in our living/bedroom walls no idea if we can get up in the roof and do it afterwards, probably not Though with all the back and forth the day went quick and not all items were cleaned up and as most the office had gone home for the weekend we weren't able to finalise. Didn't stop the tender consultant with pressuring us to sign the presented Tender, unfinished. We negotiated and agreed to come in following week and sign on completion of the open items (ie. pricing for some windows). Which we did, and just went through the open items. I signed the document though not the plans as they were mostly still not ready. On receiving a copy after the new year, as we hadn't paid in cash on the day, I noticed that PD had removed the external R2.5 wall insulation, without consulting us this was done, and wasn't discussed at the followup signing appointment. Interesting... I was told by my BC not to add insulation until the contract appointment as if it is needed for energy rating purposes PD will provide it and may not charge us (which was the case) As I have said time and time again to people If I was you and they are trying to screw you then complain to the manager (don't accept your BC saying that they are fighting for you) actually speak to the manager and if that doesn't work get to a manager that will give you the upgrade for the price you want... eventually you will prevail, you just need to be persistent! I agree. To meet 6 star rating on our house with Hebel, they had to put R2.5 in the walls and R6 in the roof. I'd only ask for an upgrade after that have done the energy rating. On a side note it bugs me that they make you double glaze 1 or 2 windows to meet 6 star. Not sure that 1 or 2 windows would be efficient when the rest of the house isn't.[/quote] We had to double glaze whole house to get our 6 star rating. Re: Porter Davis homes 14036Jan 24, 2017 6:11 pm Hurrow PieMan I agree. To meet 6 star rating on our house with Hebel, they had to put R2.5 in the walls and R6 in the roof. I'd only ask for an upgrade after that have done the energy rating. On a side note it bugs me that they make you double glaze 1 or 2 windows to meet 6 star. Not sure that 1 or 2 windows would be efficient when the rest of the house isn't. At what stage do you find out what insulation they are going to have to put in to get up to a 6 star energy rating? Given we don't have a tender appointment and go straight to contract, I'd want to know in advance of the contract if they are going to put some in or if we will have to pay extra for it. Also I was under the impression that if you make any changes to the design then you're on the hook for any extra costs that are needed to get it up to a 6 star rating, does that apply if you do some of the options that they have such as study, linen cupboards etc or is it only if you make structural changes besides the options they have? We only made structural changes that were already on offer and we ended up having to pay over $10,000 to get our 6 star rating. Re: Porter Davis homes 14037Jan 24, 2017 6:19 pm lizbf85 Hurrow At what stage do you find out what insulation they are going to have to put in to get up to a 6 star energy rating? Given we don't have a tender appointment and go straight to contract, I'd want to know in advance of the contract if they are going to put some in or if we will have to pay extra for it. Also I was under the impression that if you make any changes to the design then you're on the hook for any extra costs that are needed to get it up to a 6 star rating, does that apply if you do some of the options that they have such as study, linen cupboards etc or is it only if you make structural changes besides the options they have? From our experience we discovered the 6 star costs at contract.. actually it might have been just before as our BC confirmed prior to the appointment. She knew it would be the end of the road for us if those costs blew out. ( Dw- we were hit with a $10k cost of a pump for our LPOD prior to this) If you go straight to contract i would follow up your BC and ask the question time and time again. They will know the cost before this appointment, that way you can be prepared. 6 star is one of those things that isn't negotiable. They certainly get you at any 'change' you make. Luckily for us with all the changes we made upgrading all the windows, stacker door and other structural changes to the back of our house (which is west facing into the sun) there was $0 cost... we actually were shocked! and didn't ask another question... Strangely the same house was being built at the same time we had signed, also east facing ( back to the west) and they were charged thousands to be 6 star!!! ( same upgraded windows) It really makes no sense at all.... and there is absolutely no justification to it. Like ive said since day one it seems PD work on a profit quota with each client, once they have hit it BOOM...*wipes hands clean*. Making the profit anyway they can, as different rules seem to apply for the exact same build. Thanks to this forum we can all see first hand whats actually happening. What is required to get the 6 star rating is calculated by an external company called EnergyLab http://www.energylab.com.au/ Things like the external colours you have chosen can also alter the results. For example we picked a dark grey roof which will absorb the sun/heat so that worked against us. Re: Porter Davis homes 14038Jan 25, 2017 7:23 am Waldorf_Grange_Build lizbf85 Hurrow At what stage do you find out what insulation they are going to have to put in to get up to a 6 star energy rating? Given we don't have a tender appointment and go straight to contract, I'd want to know in advance of the contract if they are going to put some in or if we will have to pay extra for it. Also I was under the impression that if you make any changes to the design then you're on the hook for any extra costs that are needed to get it up to a 6 star rating, does that apply if you do some of the options that they have such as study, linen cupboards etc or is it only if you make structural changes besides the options they have? From our experience we discovered the 6 star costs at contract.. actually it might have been just before as our BC confirmed prior to the appointment. She knew it would be the end of the road for us if those costs blew out. ( Dw- we were hit with a $10k cost of a pump for our LPOD prior to this) If you go straight to contract i would follow up your BC and ask the question time and time again. They will know the cost before this appointment, that way you can be prepared. 6 star is one of those things that isn't negotiable. They certainly get you at any 'change' you make. Luckily for us with all the changes we made upgrading all the windows, stacker door and other structural changes to the back of our house (which is west facing into the sun) there was $0 cost... we actually were shocked! and didn't ask another question... Strangely the same house was being built at the same time we had signed, also east facing ( back to the west) and they were charged thousands to be 6 star!!! ( same upgraded windows) It really makes no sense at all.... and there is absolutely no justification to it. Like ive said since day one it seems PD work on a profit quota with each client, once they have hit it BOOM...*wipes hands clean*. Making the profit anyway they can, as different rules seem to apply for the exact same build. Thanks to this forum we can all see first hand whats actually happening. What is required to get the 6 star rating is calculated by an external company called EnergyLab http://www.energylab.com.au/ Things like the external colours you have chosen can also alter the results. For example we picked a dark grey roof which will absorb the sun/heat so that worked against us. I understand that... which proves my point lol the house i was comparing with had pretty much the same everything. Except kitchen and tiles.. I was also referring to the profits as an overall costing not just the 6 star Re: Porter Davis homes 14039Jan 25, 2017 5:21 pm thejuros Do you mind me asking what house your building and the rough price for your double glazing? We had an allowance of $5500.., not sure if that will come close we're building the Randwick24 We are building a Forsyth 38 and have double glazed almost all the windows (didn't do the bathroom windows on the south side). All up was less than $10,000 (don't have the exact numbers right now). They are A and L windows, same as the Randwick. Re: insulation, we put R2.5 in external walls and R4 in the ceiling. We didn't get any of it free to meet the 6 star. Re: Porter Davis homes 14040Jan 26, 2017 5:59 am Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Well this is exciting, the pool is going in! Looking forward to next summer with a baby and a toddler spending it by the pool and garden After 10 years of inner city living (& apartment living for the last 7 of those!) I'm sure it will be an adjustment to the suburbs but a pool and garden and lovely new home will help Three options 1 Ask the liquidator 2 Find another PD customer and ask the source of their report 3 Pay for new report 3 12345 Ask for references and speak to them. If they are defensive or try to avoid the request, walk. 1 74715 I would never build with Fowler homes. I built with them in 2021 and till date maintenance issues are pending. 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