Browse Forums Building A New House 1 Jan 20, 2008 3:27 pm I am just about to sign a HIA contract for the building of our house and was wondering what are the amounts that I should looking for in these sections of the contract?In other words what would be reasonable to expect so I know Im not getting ripped off!!
1) Acceptable days for inclement weather?_______ days ? 2) Weekends , public holidays , rostered days off etc _______days ? 3) Other days that are reasonable etc ______________ days ? 4) Agreed interest for late progress payments ------% ? 5) Agreed damages for late completion of work ______ per week? 6) Agreed damages for delays __________ per week ?? Many Thanks Everyone Re: HIA CONTRACT 5Jan 20, 2008 10:15 pm ![]() I am just about to sign a HIA contract for the building of our house and was wondering what are the amounts that I should looking for in these sections of the contract?In other words what would be reasonable to expect so I know Im not getting ripped off!! 1) Acceptable days for inclement weather?_______ days ? 2) Weekends , public holidays , rostered days off etc _______days ? 3) Other days that are reasonable etc ______________ days ? 4) Agreed interest for late progress payments ------% ? 5) Agreed damages for late completion of work ______ per week? 6) Agreed damages for delays __________ per week ?? Many Thanks Everyone For inclement weather, you can not specify a figure. Rather it is the number of days that "in the reasonable opinion of the builder are inclement". If you get a lot of rain then (rightly) your house build will be delayed. I would try to get an objective measure of inclement weather. I've heard that "more than 2 mm of rain as recorded at the nearest Bureau of Meterology weather station is about right. I would have though that interest rate for late payment should be about the same as your mortgage. Liquidate damages is easy. It should be set for the amount of money the completed building would rent for. Cheers, Casa Demolition August 2009, Construction Started September 2009, Completed December 2010 Re: HIA CONTRACT 6Jan 20, 2008 11:16 pm Hi Rowan,
I'm not sure who your builder is, but ours has: 242 days INCLUDING 1) Acceptable days for inclement weather 25 days 2) Weekends , public holidays , rostered days off etc 71 days 3) Other days that are reasonable etc Nil days 4) Agreed interest for late progress payments 15% per annum 5) Agreed damages for late completion of work $250 per week 6) Agreed damages for delays $250 per week We were told this is the "standard" HIA terms Ray. Second Time 'Round Re: HIA CONTRACT 7Jan 20, 2008 11:34 pm ![]() Hi Rowan, I'm not sure who your builder is, but ours has: 242 days INCLUDING 1) Acceptable days for inclement weather 25 days 2) Weekends , public holidays , rostered days off etc 71 days 3) Other days that are reasonable etc Nil days 4) Agreed interest for late progress payments 15% per annum 5) Agreed damages for late completion of work $250 per week 6) Agreed damages for delays $250 per week We were told this is the "standard" HIA terms Ray. What happens if it rains for more than 25 days during the building period? What happens if ti rains for less than 25 days? Do they need to notify you of "used up" rain days? Does the $250 per week roughly equal what your finished house would rent for? Demolition August 2009, Construction Started September 2009, Completed December 2010 Re: HIA CONTRACT 8Jan 20, 2008 11:47 pm ![]() What happens if it rains for more than 25 days during the building period? What happens if ti rains for less than 25 days? Do they need to notify you of "used up" rain days? Does the $250 per week roughly equal what your finished house would rent for? According to a clause (34 apparently) the building work can be delayed due to "inclement weather or conditions resulting from inclement weather in excess of the days nominated in Schedule 1" so there are ways around it, but I suppose if it came to it, they would have to prove this in court to avoid paying penalty for going overtime. But in clause 34.1 it states that "the builder is to give the owner a written notice informing the owner of the extension of time. The written notice must state that cause and the extent of the delay." And then 34.2 the owner can dispute the claim in writing within 7 days of receiving notice... and so on and so forth. I guess the figure has to be set at something. It does state where it is left blank $250 is the default amount. I guess it's like saying "how does Centrelink set the amount of rent vs rent assistance?" I think $250/week is fairly average for rent of a 3 bedroom house - at least it is in Melbourne's suburbs/Geelong. It's not like they are paying rent of the new house, I think it is more to cover any expenses you are having for not being in the house (as in still paying rent at the current place as well as the mortgage on the new one). Ray. Second Time 'Round Re: HIA CONTRACT 9Jan 21, 2008 2:11 pm Sorry, I wasn't heading off on another tangent. I'm aware of a couple of builders that alter their days due to expected construction time (hence the size and additional item then comes into play). I.E. Larger house = more time on site which then equals more weekends etc... and more chance of inclement weather.
That said - I gleaned this from one in the pile. - 256 days INCLUDING 1) Acceptable days for inclement weather 25 days 2) Weekends , public holidays , rostered days off etc 71 days 3) Other days that are reasonable etc Nil days 4) Agreed interest for late progress payments 15% per annum 5) Agreed damages for late completion of work $250 per week 6) Agreed damages for delays $250 per week Very similar to Rays. Re: HIA CONTRACT 10Jan 21, 2008 7:29 pm Hi there,
I'm halfway through a build in Brisbane that's has been plagued with rain days - I'm dreading even asking them to provide an expected completion date, as my weekly updates have rarely matched what actually happened on site (e.g. told rainwater tanks were installed, only to find no rainwater tanks installed but the roof was put on instead). From memory my HIA contracts lists 10 days for inclement weather, and 47 days for RDO's, weekends, etc. Assuming payment is $250/wk for passing the contract date, my instincts tell me it will come down to how the builders value their reputation / customer service. In most cases if a project builder runs past their contract date, I would assume it would be only a matter of days / weeks we are talkig about, not months. Let's say the builders run 2 weeks over and have to pay you $500. Assuming you've spent over $200K on your house, don't you think it would be petty for the builder to argue over a measley $500 claiming rain days, etc? If I was the company I'd value my reputation and simply pay the $500. I mean, they have so many buffer days that they could easily make up time on most projects - I'm halfway through my house & I'd say that on average the guys would be on site 2 to 2.5 days a week - max.... Re: HIA CONTRACT 11Jan 21, 2008 7:30 pm Hi there,
I'm halfway through a build in Brisbane that's has been plagued with rain days - I'm dreading even asking them to provide an expected completion date, as my weekly updates have rarely matched what actually happened on site (e.g. told rainwater tanks were installed, only to find no rainwater tanks installed but the roof was put on instead). From memory my HIA contracts lists 10 days for inclement weather, and 47 days for RDO's, weekends, etc. Assuming payment is $250/wk for passing the contract date, my instincts tell me it will come down to how the builders value their reputation / customer service. In most cases if a project builder runs past their contract date, I would assume it would be only a matter of days / weeks we are talkig about, not months. Let's say the builders run 2 weeks over and have to pay you $500. Assuming you've spent over $200K on your house, don't you think it would be petty for the builder to argue over a measley $500 claiming rain days, etc? If I was the company I'd value my reputation and simply pay the $500. I mean, they have so many buffer days that they could easily make up time on most projects - I'm halfway through my house & I'd say that on average the guys would be on site 2 to 2.5 days a week - max.... Re: HIA CONTRACT 12Dec 01, 2008 7:36 pm Hello everyone,
I noticed that if you build during the christmas period they add a further 4 weeks for holidays. should the 4 weeks added in your contract or did you receive a letter from the builder during the construction process advising you of an added 4 weeks. the HIA contract which the builder provided us, in Schedule 1 (page 6) it states the following: 285 days including the following estimates for delays: Incremental weather etc - 17 days Weekends, public holidays, rostered days off etc - 67 days other days that are reasonable having regard of the building work - 26 days However, we have now received a letter from the builder seeking a further extension for the period 18/12/08-19/1/09 i.e. over 31 days extra as per Clause 34 due to "unavailability of subcontractors, closure of suppliers and this office being closed over the Christmas period". My question is, SHouldn't the additional 31 days already be part of the 67 days specified in the HIA contract?. Have any of you received a similar contract with similar periods of days off & later receive a further request for extension from your builder similar to ours? Many thanks in advance, Re: HIA CONTRACT 13Dec 01, 2008 8:28 pm Quote: noticed that if you build during the christmas period they add a further 4 weeks for holidays. should the 4 weeks added in your contract or did you receive a letter from the builder during the construction process advising you of an added 4 weeks. Ours has added Xmas separate to Public and Rostered days in the contract Builders Holidays (annual leave) 20 Days Delays as a result Incremental Weather 20 Days Delays subsequently caused by effect of inclement weather 5 days Saturdays and Sundays 104 Days Public Holidays 10Days Re: HIA CONTRACT 14Dec 01, 2008 9:50 pm Thank you for your reply Beegers,
How many days were you allocated for Xmas . Also what is the total no of days stipulated in your contract for the building period. We are pretty peeved about this and are grateful for any advice. It seems like a double edged sword in some ways, as we are given the option to disputer the extension (as per the HIA contract) at the same time, we do not want to cause any feelings of animosity seeing that we are still in the beginning stages of construction. Thanks again, Re: HIA CONTRACT 15Dec 02, 2008 11:34 am I can't see how the builder can ask for an extension given that they would have known the build would go through the xmas break when the contract was initially drawn up. It's not like the houses are up in a couple of months, many of them take 6-12 months to complete and chances are that they will build over the xmas break.
The break is not all public holidays etc. They should plan for it and include that period in the total build time, not make you think that your house will be ready by a certain date, and then slug you for an extra 30 days once the build has started. People make plans based on the timeframe stipulated in the contract and I think it's just inconsiderate of the builder to expect you to wear an extra 30+ days. It's not rocket science, they know they will be building during December and January so why not be up front about the timeframe before you sign your contract??? ![]() Sorry about the rant. ![]() Em Re: HIA CONTRACT 16Dec 02, 2008 11:43 pm Our timeframes are similar
285 days including the following estimates 12 days inclement weatehr 48 for weekends, public holidays, rostered days off 19 days other days that are reasonable having regard to the building work Answering your PM here no we didn't have a variation like your's for Christmas - ring him up and ask him to explain. Your builder has already allowed for over sixty days.. Fi has moved in!! Re: HIA CONTRACT 17Dec 03, 2008 10:02 am Our build time was 167 days, with 10 inclement weather days built in. There were no other allowances for holidays etc. And we started construction in February, so there was no need to allow for a Christmas break, but normally, they add another 4 weeks if the construction period is expected to run over December/January. Figure for delays was $250 per week. I can't remember what the interest on late progress payments was.
The builder claimed 5 days due to inclement weather (so within the 10 day allowance), and notified us in writing of each one. In the end, construction took 279 days and although we were ready for a fight, there was never any argument or shifty business about paying the $250 per week x 16 weeks. They simply said at handover: we owe you 16 weeks at $250 per week; a cheque for $4000 will be sent next week. Now we're just waiting for the postman.... $250 per week is nowhere near enough to compensate for rent paid, but we knew that when we signed. And since it's what we contracted for, we're not complaining. Much. You talk about deletions, are they variations or PS and PC adjustments? pleas list them 1 2695 ![]() Hi guys, my contracted states 220 days for the builder. The slab was poured in January 2022 and I'm still not in my house. Each time I get told they having tades issues.… 0 2254 I don't disagree with most of what you said. Except that migrants aren't a target market. The fact many migrants are in new estates is reflective of the socio economic… 8 6384 |