Browse Forums Building A New House Re: recess ceiling - does it weaken the structure in any way 2May 03, 2011 7:44 am what do you mean. Do you have a drawing? Re: recess ceiling - does it weaken the structure in any way 3May 03, 2011 9:22 am I wouldn't have thought so? Surely the engineer on the job would structure the trusses to accomodate for the recessed portion? Some things are worth waiting for. Re: recess ceiling - does it weaken the structure in any way 4May 03, 2011 9:51 am I don't have any technical info but the recess is usually supported by more timber. This is what they have done to my Kitchen. It has a drop and a recess. There are 10 timber beams that run across the top of the entire area so it is 350mm apart to secure the floor above. I would think this would be the same case as if we just had a recess and no drop ceiling. Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ __________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ All new built homes look like display homes... until the furniture goes in. Re: recess ceiling - does it weaken the structure in any way 6May 03, 2011 9:54 pm hi starz - your recess ceiling is through dropped ceiling, so it does not effect joyces ( you can still see them running accross the top). but if ceiling is only recess ceiling, they cut the joycess. that is what i am wondering if that effects the strength Re: recess ceiling - does it weaken the structure in any way 7May 03, 2011 9:56 pm We have a recess ceiling in our entry and we haven't had any problems. I might have a pic of it at frame stage... I'll have a look. They don't actually cut anything to do it... it's all purpose built around it. I leave you to fend for yourself, figure things out yourself. Terrence Malick Re: recess ceiling - does it weaken the structure in any way 8May 03, 2011 10:12 pm joles We have a recess ceiling in our entry and we haven't had any problems. I might have a pic of it at frame stage... I'll have a look. They don't actually cut anything to do it... it's all purpose built around it. i thought they cut it - i think i have seen in few houses being build in Perth. Pic will be good if you can. thanks Re: recess ceiling - does it weaken the structure in any way 9May 03, 2011 10:14 pm CC101 has any one got any technical information if recess ceiling weaken the structure in any way at all? short answer ..no long answer .. no,no,no,no,no,no relax, no one would approve a structure if it didn't meet regulatory building codes. Re: recess ceiling - does it weaken the structure in any way 10May 03, 2011 10:21 pm I can't see that engineers would continue to allow them if it weakened the structure my new build thread- Ben Trager https://forum.homeone.com.au/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=89826 my switch build thread (2011) https://forum.homeone.com.au/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=36569 Re: recess ceiling - does it weaken the structure in any way 11May 03, 2011 10:25 pm TheOK CC101 has any one got any technical information if recess ceiling weaken the structure in any way at all? short answer ..no long answer .. no,no,no,no,no,no relax, no one would approve a structure if it didn't meet regulatory building codes. yes - i know it would meet regulatory building codes - but there is always a range of standards and the builder has to meet only minimum standards. once the minimum standards are met, it is approved. It is like plastering the new house. Sometimes there are so many dents etc in plastering and if you ask them, they say it meets the minimum standards that they have to maintain. Re: recess ceiling - does it weaken the structure in any way 12May 03, 2011 10:27 pm tinkster I can't see that engineers would continue to allow them if it weakened the structure May be i should have said - effect the structure and not weaken. i think i should edit the subject title. Re: recess ceiling - does it weaken the structure in any way 14May 03, 2011 10:32 pm This is the only pic I could find.... not too clear, sorry. Our entry is raised 30cm higher than the rest of our ceilings (I think) and it has the decorative bulkhead. I remember that the roof trusses were altered where it was raised, but it wasn't as though it was just cut, it was all built and braced properly. My boyfriend at the time is a chippy, he would have noticed if it wasn't right. I'll take a pic of the ceiling tomorrow to see it when it's finished. I can't get in the entry at the moment, it was repainted today and it's blocked off so the dogs can't get up there. This is at frame stage. You can see on the right, above the door frame, where the timber comes across, is braced, then drops down to above the door frame and that is the ceiling height through the rest of the house. Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ I leave you to fend for yourself, figure things out yourself. Terrence Malick Re: recess ceiling - does it weaken the structure in any way 15May 03, 2011 10:55 pm CC101 TheOK CC101 has any one got any technical information if recess ceiling weaken the structure in any way at all? short answer ..no long answer .. no,no,no,no,no,no relax, no one would approve a structure if it didn't meet regulatory building codes. yes - i know it would meet regulatory building codes - but there is always a range of standards and the builder has to meet only minimum standards. once the minimum standards are met, it is approved. It is like plastering the new house. Sometimes there are so many dents etc in plastering and if you ask them, they say it meets the minimum standards that they have to maintain. I understand where your coming from , just to put some perspective on the matter, most tradespersons will adhere to the maximum allowance e.g drill the largest acceptable hole in stud ..so in actual fact that stud then becomes the weakest permissible structure allowed, yet no one blinks an eyelid ..because it's acceptable according to the code. Re: recess ceiling - does it weaken the structure in any way 16May 03, 2011 11:16 pm If by recessed do you mean the appearance of a raised portion of ceiling. if so, then this is achived by actuall costructing additional timber bulkheads around (usually the outside of) a room. It is quite common for the kitchen ceiling to be dropped by 200 - 300mm, and then if a 500mm wide bulkhead is created around the room, then an illusion of a recessed ceiling is created. have I explained adequately? Re: recess ceiling - does it weaken the structure in any way 17May 03, 2011 11:26 pm Coffered ceilings are designed using span tables to make sure that they meet all structural requirements. If you are going to start questioning the structural integrity of a coffered ceiling then you may as well question the structural integrity of the entire ceiling, it's all constructed using the same principles and span tables. The coffered ceilings I've done have been constructed using LVL's to span and hang the ceiling joists, there is no way they compromised anything, if anything I'd say the ceiling was more rigid than a standard ceiling. By the way I'm in WA, but span tables and building codes are fairly universal (in Aus at least). Accessible Carpentry & Cabinets accessiblecarpentry@gmail.com accessiblecarpentry.com.au https://www.facebook.com/pages/Accessible-Carpentry-Cabinets/583314911709039 Re: recess ceiling - does it weaken the structure in any way 18May 03, 2011 11:29 pm ozberg If by recessed do you mean the appearance of a raised portion of ceiling. if so, then this is achived by actuall costructing additional timber bulkheads around (usually the outside of) a room. It is quite common for the kitchen ceiling to be dropped by 200 - 300mm, and then if a 500mm wide bulkhead is created around the room, then an illusion of a recessed ceiling is created. have I explained adequately? I think the OP is talking about a coffered (recessed central area) ceiling rather than bulkheads. Fairly common in WA. Accessible Carpentry & Cabinets accessiblecarpentry@gmail.com accessiblecarpentry.com.au https://www.facebook.com/pages/Accessible-Carpentry-Cabinets/583314911709039 Re: recess ceiling - does it weaken the structure in any way 19May 03, 2011 11:33 pm the entry ceiling is 28c but just in middle of that it is raised to 31c. it is not that the ceiling is 31c and then there is bulkhead around to create recess ceiling. does it make sense? Re: recess ceiling - does it weaken the structure in any way 20May 04, 2011 12:33 am @cc101, see my post 3 up. It answers your question. Accessible Carpentry & Cabinets accessiblecarpentry@gmail.com accessiblecarpentry.com.au https://www.facebook.com/pages/Accessible-Carpentry-Cabinets/583314911709039 There is no reason why building contract reconciliation cannot be done prior to handover, if the builder won't do it get someone to do it for you. Why would you pay for… 3 6682 8 4166 |