Browse Forums Building A New House Re: Bricks, can't decide Austral Hawthorn or Newport? 21May 30, 2011 11:57 am We upgraded to cat 4 Austral with Simonds - Nubrik classic 230 series Mid grey that was something 3200$/- Carpet we upgraded to cat 6, had to pay 3400$/- We will be getting tiling done after handover as they are charging a lot for that even after promotion, we used that $4500 promotional stuff for having another 20 lots of downlights, ducted vacuum and alarm system Re: Bricks, can't decide Austral Hawthorn or Newport? 22May 30, 2011 11:58 am humble But there is a base price already factored into the house for the bricking.. unless they credit that back, they are double dipping. Which I am sure consumer affairs would love to hear about. Same goes for tiles, roof tiles, carpet, wood, anything, they MUST credit you back the original price. If thats the case, whats the point of choosing a volume builder? I may as well build the house myself.. I'm sure they've had their legal team look at their contracts and they'd all be above board, or they'd be in court all year round. It's the same as any shop, they mark up as they see fit, if people will pay the prices it's up to them. They set their own prices. My building thread : viewtopic.php?f=31&t=36059 Paid initial deposit 24/7/10 Tender appointment 20/8/2010 Flooring and tile appointment 25/9/10 Colour and Electrical appointment 13/9/10 December site start delayed Site start (YAY!) 17/1/11 Slab pour 1/2/2011 Re: Bricks, can't decide Austral Hawthorn or Newport? 23May 30, 2011 11:59 am Im pretty sure that for their cat 1 bricks etc they have a base price. Then they add on the price per sq m per cat upgrade. well thats what I was told. Forrester 43sq We have our keys (3/6/11) Now it's time to decorate (that's the fun part.lol) https://forum.homeone.com.au/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=37598 Re: Bricks, can't decide Austral Hawthorn or Newport? 24May 30, 2011 12:02 pm building1 humble But there is a base price already factored into the house for the bricking.. unless they credit that back, they are double dipping. Which I am sure consumer affairs would love to hear about. Same goes for tiles, roof tiles, carpet, wood, anything, they MUST credit you back the original price. If thats the case, whats the point of choosing a volume builder? I may as well build the house myself.. I'm sure they've had their legal team look at their contracts and they'd all be above board, or they'd be in court all year round. It's the same as any shop, they mark up as they see fit, if people will pay the prices it's up to them. They set their own prices. Why would anyone accept those terms.. you would have to be crazy... seriously. Re: Bricks, can't decide Austral Hawthorn or Newport? 25May 30, 2011 12:03 pm Rudolf1980 Im pretty sure that for their cat 1 bricks etc they have a base price. Then they add on the price per sq m per cat upgrade. well thats what I was told. Well, unless some people are gfetting ripped off, thats not how they work. The price difference between a cat1 and cat6 brick retail is $1400.. we are seeing examples of quotes being $5k/$6k. Re: Bricks, can't decide Austral Hawthorn or Newport? 26May 30, 2011 12:10 pm humble Rudolf1980 Im pretty sure that for their cat 1 bricks etc they have a base price. Then they add on the price per sq m per cat upgrade. well thats what I was told. Well, unless some people are gfetting ripped off, thats not how they work. The price difference between a cat1 and cat6 brick retail is $1400.. we are seeing examples of quotes being $5k/$6k. If u have a look at Australs brick pricing per 1000 bricks u will know all builders are ripping the customers. Re: Bricks, can't decide Austral Hawthorn or Newport? 27May 30, 2011 12:14 pm Of coarse we are getting ripped off. I was just saying how builders gen work out their prices. Our tiles would have cost us around $3000 all up if we got them ourselves but it cost us an extra $4500 just to upgrade from cat1 to cat3. So all in all the tiles cost me around twice the RRP Thats how builders make their money. Of course it would be a hell of alot cheaper to be a owner builder but really, who wants the stress of all the cr#p. After extending and renovating our old house ourselves, its lovely to pay somone more money now to do the dirty work. Forrester 43sq We have our keys (3/6/11) Now it's time to decorate (that's the fun part.lol) https://forum.homeone.com.au/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=37598 Re: Bricks, can't decide Austral Hawthorn or Newport? 28May 30, 2011 12:15 pm humble Rudolf1980 Im pretty sure that for their cat 1 bricks etc they have a base price. Then they add on the price per sq m per cat upgrade. well thats what I was told. Well, unless some people are gfetting ripped off, thats not how they work. The price difference between a cat1 and cat6 brick retail is $1400.. we are seeing examples of quotes being $5k/$6k. Yep Humble, they can charge whatever they want.... My building thread : viewtopic.php?f=31&t=36059 Paid initial deposit 24/7/10 Tender appointment 20/8/2010 Flooring and tile appointment 25/9/10 Colour and Electrical appointment 13/9/10 December site start delayed Site start (YAY!) 17/1/11 Slab pour 1/2/2011 Re: Bricks, can't decide Austral Hawthorn or Newport? 29May 30, 2011 3:07 pm building1 humble Rudolf1980 Im pretty sure that for their cat 1 bricks etc they have a base price. Then they add on the price per sq m per cat upgrade. well thats what I was told. Well, unless some people are gfetting ripped off, thats not how they work. The price difference between a cat1 and cat6 brick retail is $1400.. we are seeing examples of quotes being $5k/$6k. Yep Humble, they can charge whatever they want.... I find this quite a lot to stomach just quietly, if that's the case you may as well do it yourself.. they are going to have to seirously justify there price, especially when a retail customer can buy direct. 6k for a cat6 upgrade is nearly 500% markup. I am sorry, but I refuse to be bent over that much. Thats laughable. Re: Bricks, can't decide Austral Hawthorn or Newport? 30May 30, 2011 3:41 pm Hahahaha, I got bent over and I didnt even feel it. Damn it.lol OP, Why dont you ring up the selections team thru your builder and just ask them how muc for your house to be upgraded to Hawthorn bricks. They should help you out. Its truelly up to you. Your house. I always said that the front of a house is like the cover to a book. If it looks boring, its not very inviting. As for us we did go basic BUT we are planning to render half the front of the house to make it inviting as my DH used to render for a living. Cheap labour (and I can pretend Im sleeping with the tradie.lol ) Good luck in your descision Make sure you post pics. Forrester 43sq We have our keys (3/6/11) Now it's time to decorate (that's the fun part.lol) https://forum.homeone.com.au/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=37598 Re: Bricks, can't decide Austral Hawthorn or Newport? 31May 30, 2011 4:07 pm humble Ok so I rang Austral.. this is VERY interesting. Homestead Tan Price Per Brick 0.97c Hawthorn Price Per Brick $1.09c Now based on my rough calcs, there are about 11,000 bricks in a 30sq house. So it shouldnt be anymore then then 1.5k (rough) Unbelievable, I knew it was a rip off, Bentely only really charged us for the price diff in the bricks. That is so unfair. Re: Bricks, can't decide Austral Hawthorn or Newport? 32May 30, 2011 4:21 pm deb17 humble Ok so I rang Austral.. this is VERY interesting. Homestead Tan Price Per Brick 0.97c Hawthorn Price Per Brick $1.09c Now based on my rough calcs, there are about 11,000 bricks in a 30sq house. So it shouldnt be anymore then then 1.5k (rough) Unbelievable, I knew it was a rip off, Bentely only really charged us for the price diff in the bricks. That is so unfair. Is that calculation correct - 11,000 bricks X 0.97/Brick = $10,670 Re: Bricks, can't decide Austral Hawthorn or Newport? 33May 30, 2011 4:24 pm abraham deb17 humble Ok so I rang Austral.. this is VERY interesting. Homestead Tan Price Per Brick 0.97c Hawthorn Price Per Brick $1.09c Now based on my rough calcs, there are about 11,000 bricks in a 30sq house. So it shouldnt be anymore then then 1.5k (rough) Unbelievable, I knew it was a rip off, Bentely only really charged us for the price diff in the bricks. That is so unfair. Is that calculation correct - 11,000 bricks X 0.97/Brick = $10,670 Yup.. and then do $1.09 x 11,000 bricks = $11990 so $11990 (upgrade) minus $10670 = $1320. So based on that, I dont expect to pay more then $1500 for the upgrade, if I am, then its pure profit on there behalf, as such, they can jam it. Re: Bricks, can't decide Austral Hawthorn or Newport? 34May 30, 2011 4:34 pm Is that calculation correct - 11,000 bricks X 0.97/Brick = $10,670[/quote] Yup.. and then do $1.09 x 11,000 bricks = $11990 so $11990 (upgrade) minus $10670 = $1320. So based on that, I dont expect to pay more then $1500 for the upgrade, if I am, then its pure profit on there behalf, as such, they can jam it.[/quote][/quote] humble what you have quoted is retail price, builders buy everything in bulk, so each brick should be costing them $0.79 Re: Bricks, can't decide Austral Hawthorn or Newport? 35May 30, 2011 4:36 pm Of course (that was my point about 10 posts back.) so the markup (12%) should be consistent (over whatever base rate) that is unless they pull a shifty and say well.. we get the cat1's @ 79c and the cat6's @ $1.. Then its 21%.. But what it appears (from all the posts and the sales feedback) is they are getting the tans for say 79c, and the hawthorns for $1.60. Re: Bricks, can't decide Austral Hawthorn or Newport? 36May 30, 2011 4:41 pm humble Of course (that was my point about 10 posts back.) so the markup (12%) should be consistent (over whatever base rate) that is unless they pull a shifty and say well.. we get the cat1's @ 79c and the cat6's @ $1.. Then its 21%.. But what it appears (from all the posts and the sales feedback) is they are getting the tans for say 79c, and the hawthorns for $1.60. Then how do they make the money, they get nothing on base price of the house -- its the upgrade --- colours ,electrical and site cost Re: Bricks, can't decide Austral Hawthorn or Newport? 37May 30, 2011 4:48 pm abraham humble Of course (that was my point about 10 posts back.) so the markup (12%) should be consistent (over whatever base rate) that is unless they pull a shifty and say well.. we get the cat1's @ 79c and the cat6's @ $1.. Then its 21%.. But what it appears (from all the posts and the sales feedback) is they are getting the tans for say 79c, and the hawthorns for $1.60. Then how do they make the money, they get nothing on base price of the house -- its the upgrade --- colours ,electrical and site cost Its through the fact they build a heap of houses are year, and have negotiated a good price with the suppliers. Thats where the price comes from. Fact is, your saying the bricks are 79c each, Austral told me they were 97c retail... and the Hawthorns were $1.09. based on the stories here, they are charging me about $1.60 a brick, the price difference is like $2k. Not $6k. And this is just bricks, tiles/paint/features are all still to come. So what your saying is they should get there base markup, and then another markup on every change? even though the cost to them is $0? really? I thought this would be a popular question but I haven't been able to find any similar posts. Perhaps I'm wording my searches wrong? 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