Browse Forums Building A New House Re: What does PCI stand for 2Aug 01, 2010 1:40 pm Peripheral Component Interconnect An intertace for computer hardware - now generally superseeded by PCI-Express. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conventional_PCI Probably not what you're looking for though . Sorry, I have no idea what it means in relation to building. Re: What does PCI stand for 4Aug 01, 2010 1:47 pm Practical completion inspection. Its basically your final walkthrough of your house where you pick out all the little defects before handover. Although someone can probably explain it better than I can Dear J.K. Rowling, Your books are entirely unrealistic. I mean, a ginger kid with two friends? Sincerely, Anonymous Re: What does PCI stand for 6Aug 01, 2010 2:08 pm Or Post Construction Inspection... both mean the same, depends which words you prefer, different builders call it different things Re: What does PCI stand for 8Aug 02, 2010 10:06 am PCI = Practical Completion Inspection It's the opportunity at the end of the build to inspect the house for any defects to be fixed by your builder before the settlemnt/handover date. (To through a spanner in the works) It's a term that the builders use skillfully to avoid the more formal inspection once they issue you the Occupancy Permt. Because the house is still not finished, the builder still has control of the house and what most of the rights. Consumer Affairs has started to warn consumers of the PCI process and recommend that the mention of this be scrubbed from your contract. All in all, if you are coming up to a "PCI date" and you don't know the in's and out's of the process, you will most likely have issues. Re: What does PCI stand for 9Aug 03, 2010 11:18 am While we are at it what does DH stand for, its been bugging me for days. I know that the second word is hubby or husband but the D has me stumped Our Build https://forum.homeone.com.au/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=36661&start=40 Land Settlement - 19/07/09 Building Deposit Paid - 14/02/10 Site Scrape - 25/08/10 Slab - 01/09/10 Frame - 15/09/10 Roof - 21/09/10 Pre Wire/Plumbing - 23/04/09 Bi-Folds - 24/09/10 Bricks - 13/10/10 Plastering - 13/10/10 Cornice, skirting, shelving - 14/10/10 Re: What does PCI stand for 11Aug 04, 2010 1:25 am Adam.M PCI = Practical Completion Inspection It's the opportunity at the end of the build to inspect the house for any defects to be fixed by your builder before the settlemnt/handover date. (To through a spanner in the works) It's a term that the builders use skillfully to avoid the more formal inspection once they issue you the Occupancy Permt. Because the house is still not finished, the builder still has control of the house and what most of the rights. Consumer Affairs has started to warn consumers of the PCI process and recommend that the mention of this be scrubbed from your contract. All in all, if you are coming up to a "PCI date" and you don't know the in's and out's of the process, you will most likely have issues. I'm not sure if i quite agree with this - from a builders point of view, i think PCI is a great thing for the client to have and if anything, would strongly suggest against removing it from your contract. As said above, it is the final inspection of your home before handover and provides you with a chance to walk through the home with your supervisor and point out any defects whether it be plastering, painting, window not winding properly, doors or drawers not functioning properly etc. By making a list of these items, you and the supervisor then sign off to agree that they will be fixed within a given time frame. To me, this means you have made an agreement in writing to the builder on what will be fixed - unless it complies with the Building Code of Australia or falls within the tolerances set forth, these things have to be fixed. It gives you a right to ensure that your home is handed over to a level that you and the building code are happy with. I think a lot of peopel approach PCI with a lot of weariness when i don't think there has to be any - from my point of view it's the builders chance to make sure you are happy with everything and a chance to discuss any concerns you may have with the home before you collect your keys. Re: What does PCI stand for 13Aug 04, 2010 1:56 pm zeitgeber Another acronym is DA (Development Application) - a reference to council approval. Re: What does PCI stand for 14Aug 04, 2010 2:16 pm Quote: While we are at it what does DH stand for, its been bugging me for days. I know that the second word is hubby or husband but the D has me stumped I listed a few for you. DH- darling husband DW- darling wife DS- darling son DD- darling daughter WDYT - What do you think TBH-to be honest NMS - Not My Style JMHO - just my humble/honest opinion FWIW - for what it's worth ETA - Edited to Add AFAIK - as far as I know AFM - as for me and my favorite acronymn POAS - pi$$ on a stick (do a home pregnancy test) not that I think you will find this one on this forum though. http://burbankascent2500.blogspot.com/ https://forum.homeone.com.au/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=28503 [url=http://www.TickerFactory.com/] HOUSE COMPLETED IN 119 DAYS PCI Complete Handover 24th August Re: What does PCI stand for 15Aug 04, 2010 6:02 pm jayw I'm not sure if i quite agree with this - from a builders point of view, i think PCI is a great thing for the client to have and if anything, would strongly suggest against removing it from your contract. As said above, it is the final inspection of your home before handover and provides you with a chance to walk through the home with your supervisor and point out any defects whether it be plastering, painting, window not winding properly, doors or drawers not functioning properly etc. By making a list of these items, you and the supervisor then sign off to agree that they will be fixed within a given time frame. To me, this means you have made an agreement in writing to the builder on what will be fixed - unless it complies with the Building Code of Australia or falls within the tolerances set forth, these things have to be fixed. It gives you a right to ensure that your home is handed over to a level that you and the building code are happy with. I think a lot of peopel approach PCI with a lot of weariness when i don't think there has to be any - from my point of view it's the builders chance to make sure you are happy with everything and a chance to discuss any concerns you may have with the home before you collect your keys. But hang on, "make sure you are happy" shouldn't that phase be the final inspection and not the Practical Completion Inspection? My question to you as a builder is why do others not keep to the contract and do as it says "Builder Issues Occupancy Permit and organises final inspection, has 14 days to rectify issues and proceed with handover" and instead perform a PCI instead? The builder wouldn't have such a process (PCI) if they actually fixed issues within 14days. The reality is that builder have been known to present you with a poorly built house and hold you over the barrel for as long as they want until they fix it or wear you out. I have heard of 3 and even 11 months were neither the builder nor owner give in. The fact of the matter is is that the owner is paying $thousands in monthly interest where as the bulider only $800 to $1000????? An example of this is say ******* brickwork and the cost is $15,000 to rectify. It's easier for them to wear you out for 6 months before you give up and accept or for them to wipe of any profit and fix it? If they follow the contract they would have 14days to rectify and you can hold them over the barrel contractually because the house is finished. A PCI says your house will be rectified within 14days but nowhere in the contract says it. Final Inspection you do, but this is Practical Completion Inspection which does not mean the same thing and treated that way. It all comes down to dollars and cents. Builders would have been burnt once or twice and therefore use the PCI for their favour not Mr & Mrs consumer. Re: What does PCI stand for 16Aug 04, 2010 7:24 pm Adam.M jayw I'm not sure if i quite agree with this - from a builders point of view, i think PCI is a great thing for the client to have and if anything, would strongly suggest against removing it from your contract. As said above, it is the final inspection of your home before handover and provides you with a chance to walk through the home with your supervisor and point out any defects whether it be plastering, painting, window not winding properly, doors or drawers not functioning properly etc. By making a list of these items, you and the supervisor then sign off to agree that they will be fixed within a given time frame. To me, this means you have made an agreement in writing to the builder on what will be fixed - unless it complies with the Building Code of Australia or falls within the tolerances set forth, these things have to be fixed. It gives you a right to ensure that your home is handed over to a level that you and the building code are happy with. I think a lot of peopel approach PCI with a lot of weariness when i don't think there has to be any - from my point of view it's the builders chance to make sure you are happy with everything and a chance to discuss any concerns you may have with the home before you collect your keys. But hang on, "make sure you are happy" shouldn't that phase be the final inspection and not the Practical Completion Inspection? My question to you as a builder is why do others not keep to the contract and do as it says "Builder Issues Occupancy Permit and organises final inspection, has 14 days to rectify issues and proceed with handover" and instead perform a PCI instead? The builder wouldn't have such a process (PCI) if they actually fixed issues within 14days. The reality is that builder have been known to present you with a poorly built house and hold you over the barrel for as long as they want until they fix it or wear you out. I have heard of 3 and even 11 months were neither the builder nor owner give in. The fact of the matter is is that the owner is paying $thousands in monthly interest where as the bulider only $800 to $1000????? An example of this is say ******* brickwork and the cost is $15,000 to rectify. It's easier for them to wear you out for 6 months before you give up and accept or for them to wipe of any profit and fix it? If they follow the contract they would have 14days to rectify and you can hold them over the barrel contractually because the house is finished. A PCI says your house will be rectified within 14days but nowhere in the contract says it. Final Inspection you do, but this is Practical Completion Inspection which does not mean the same thing and treated that way. It all comes down to dollars and cents. Builders would have been burnt once or twice and therefore use the PCI for their favour not Mr & Mrs consumer. Mmm, again not sure if i quite agree - one thing i have definitely picked up whilst being on here as an observer and contributor is that a lot of people seem to go into the process of building thinking that the builder is out to screw them. Why would we do that? I personally don't wake up each morning thinking 'how can i screw my clients today'. If anything we're working hard to not do this as everybody talks and word of mouth is a big driver of how we gain work. We definitely try to adhere to the 14 days but in all reality, it's not always possible. For one it can be difficult to get trades back to the home in that time, secondly - I have personally experienced a situation where the owner was not happy that we didn't get an item fixed within 14 days but how could we when they told us they weren't happy, didn't tell us what they wanted then took off to Bali for a week? I think it might be worth clarifying what process you are following. In WA we don't need a Builders Occupancy Permit, we operate slightly differently. We book the PCI, go through the items, make sure they all get done and then book Final Inspection. It's essentially too chances to make sure the client is happy before we hand the keys over. What i wrote above may have not made sense as just reading through it now - i was thinking faster than i was typing. Does that make sense? I think if you are bringing up a problem such as brickwork at PCI stage then you will definitely have issues - if you have concerns about something such as this it should be brought up very early on in the building process. This also comes back to the relationship with your supervisor and feeling comfortable about talking to them with any concerns you may have. Re: What does PCI stand for 17Aug 04, 2010 8:02 pm jayw Mmm, again not sure if i quite agree - one thing i have definitely picked up whilst being on here as an observer and contributor is that a lot of people seem to go into the process of building thinking that the builder is out to screw them. Why would we do that? I personally don't wake up each morning thinking 'how can i screw my clients today'. If anything we're working hard to not do this as everybody talks and word of mouth is a big driver of how we gain work. We definitely try to adhere to the 14 days but in all reality, it's not always possible. For one it can be difficult to get trades back to the home in that time, secondly - I have personally experienced a situation where the owner was not happy that we didn't get an item fixed within 14 days but how could we when they told us they weren't happy, didn't tell us what they wanted then took off to Bali for a week? I think it might be worth clarifying what process you are following. In WA we don't need a Builders Occupancy Permit, we operate slightly differently. We book the PCI, go through the items, make sure they all get done and then book Final Inspection. It's essentially too chances to make sure the client is happy before we hand the keys over. What i wrote above may have not made sense as just reading through it now - i was thinking faster than i was typing. Does that make sense? I think if you are bringing up a problem such as brickwork at PCI stage then you will definitely have issues - if you have concerns about something such as this it should be brought up very early on in the building process. This also comes back to the relationship with your supervisor and feeling comfortable about talking to them with any concerns you may have. The problem that we sometimes hear on this forum is when someone brings up a issue by sending through a photo they get a reply something like "Please do not enter site without the SS". They actually avoid the whole issue, then threaten to terminate the contract if they do it again. This is completely wrong. if there is a problem with the build we should be able to let them know. It is in their best interest to achieve a quality build. I will be checking up on works regularly Re: What does PCI stand for 18Aug 04, 2010 8:14 pm Quote: I think if you are bringing up a problem such as brickwork at PCI stage then you will definitely have issues - if you have concerns about something such as this it should be brought up very early on in the building process. This also comes back to the relationship with your supervisor and feeling comfortable about talking to them with any concerns you may have. Speaking from a clients point of view, and especially those learning throughout the experience and have not been through the building process before, but it can be a very intimidating experience. Not all builders or SSs for that matter have the same outlook. Some seem to become quite defensive and others don't seem to take a clients concerns into account, and you can feel like your being brushed off. We entrust our dreams in our builders basically. It's a very emotional experience Dear J.K. Rowling, Your books are entirely unrealistic. I mean, a ginger kid with two friends? Sincerely, Anonymous Re: What does PCI stand for 19Aug 04, 2010 8:28 pm pinkdiamond Quote: While we are at it what does DH stand for, its been bugging me for days. I know that the second word is hubby or husband but the D has me stumped I listed a few for you. DH- darling husband DW- darling wife DS- darling son DD- darling daughter WDYT - What do you think TBH-to be honest NMS - Not My Style JMHO - just my humble/honest opinion FWIW - for what it's worth ETA - Edited to Add AFAIK - as far as I know AFM - as for me and my favorite acronymn POAS - pi$$ on a stick (do a home pregnancy test) not that I think you will find this one on this forum though. And here was I thinking that DH stood for d!@khead Husband! IMO-In my opinion TIA-Thanks in advance Deemaree Kyndylan Capers: viewtopic.php?f=36&t=46852 My blog: http://www.sufficientlysufficient.blogspot.com/ Re: What does PCI stand for 20Aug 05, 2010 11:28 am bicko123 jayw Mmm, again not sure if i quite agree - one thing i have definitely picked up whilst being on here as an observer and contributor is that a lot of people seem to go into the process of building thinking that the builder is out to screw them. Why would we do that? I personally don't wake up each morning thinking 'how can i screw my clients today'. If anything we're working hard to not do this as everybody talks and word of mouth is a big driver of how we gain work. We definitely try to adhere to the 14 days but in all reality, it's not always possible. For one it can be difficult to get trades back to the home in that time, secondly - I have personally experienced a situation where the owner was not happy that we didn't get an item fixed within 14 days but how could we when they told us they weren't happy, didn't tell us what they wanted then took off to Bali for a week? I think it might be worth clarifying what process you are following. In WA we don't need a Builders Occupancy Permit, we operate slightly differently. We book the PCI, go through the items, make sure they all get done and then book Final Inspection. It's essentially too chances to make sure the client is happy before we hand the keys over. What i wrote above may have not made sense as just reading through it now - i was thinking faster than i was typing. Does that make sense? I think if you are bringing up a problem such as brickwork at PCI stage then you will definitely have issues - if you have concerns about something such as this it should be brought up very early on in the building process. This also comes back to the relationship with your supervisor and feeling comfortable about talking to them with any concerns you may have. The problem that we sometimes hear on this forum is when someone brings up a issue by sending through a photo they get a reply something like "Please do not enter site without the SS". They actually avoid the whole issue, then threaten to terminate the contract if they do it again. This is completely wrong. if there is a problem with the build we should be able to let them know. It is in their best interest to achieve a quality build. I will be checking up on works regularly Yeh not quite cool is it. Well, I definitely don't want to appear on here as though we are the best builder in the world, but we have a team of 5 supervisors with a lot of emphasis placed on being in contact with the client. They have to touch base minimum once a week whether it be by phone, email, fax or in person. The first meeting they have with the client it's their job to find out how often the client would like to be contacted and the preferred method. My mentality is that you want to feel comfortable in dealing directly with the person who is building your home, not a person in the office who might not even see your home throughout the whole build process. Unfortunately it's not always the case with the builder, hence why i think (and i've seen it mentioned a lot on this forum), don't get too caught up with your sales consultant, find out who your supervisor is! Sorry! I'm new to this forum and have made a mistake in my posting! 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