Browse Forums Building A New House Re: Is this how roof beams are supposed to be supported? 21Jul 01, 2010 12:50 am Yes, the compressive strength of the timber will far exceed the load placed on it. I'd say the RSJ would start to deflect long before you reached the failure point of the timber in that situation. Accessible Carpentry & Cabinets accessiblecarpentry@gmail.com accessiblecarpentry.com.au https://www.facebook.com/pages/Accessible-Carpentry-Cabinets/583314911709039 Re: Is this how roof beams are supposed to be supported? 22Jul 01, 2010 8:47 am chippy Yes, the compressive strength of the timber will far exceed the load placed on it. I'd say the RSJ would start to deflect long before you reached the failure point of the timber in that situation. that would be in the best case example. what if it gets damaged by water or something else like termite?? I still think a masonary type packer would be best. I like the way it has been installed in nathens steel fab example. This is the way it should be done. Re: Is this how roof beams are supposed to be supported? 23Jul 01, 2010 10:30 am viewtopic.php?p=316024#p316024 Apparently it's the done thing in WA. Here is a piccy of a new housing estate in northern Perth that is going up. LOL Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Re: Is this how roof beams are supposed to be supported? 24Jul 01, 2010 11:13 am Ha! You guys are funny. Of corse that picture more closely resembles the brick veneer construction you guys use over East, than the superior double brick and engineered concrete construction we use here. As Borg mentioned, the pictures are of totally different things. In the first pic the steel is only a small part of the roof structure, it's not as though it is carrying the whole weight of the roof on that one contact point. That beam is only a small part in the triangulation of the roof structure and as such is only carrying a small load in the overall scheme of things. In Nathans picture that beam is carrying the upper floor. So yes of course it is going to be fixed as shown, the loads are totally different. Accessible Carpentry & Cabinets accessiblecarpentry@gmail.com accessiblecarpentry.com.au https://www.facebook.com/pages/Accessible-Carpentry-Cabinets/583314911709039 Re: Is this how roof beams are supposed to be supported? 25Jul 01, 2010 11:24 am Hey I don't disagree that double brick is best. Also I don't disagree that sitting a beam on bockwork can't work. What irks me is that small brick sitting on that piece of wood, sitting on the brickwork. Why bother with the wire? Why can't they just bolt with chemset or something the beam to the bricks? Make a simple bracket up weld to beam, bolt to bricks. Over time (a long time perhaps) foundations move, slabs crack, **** happens, I'm just scared for the beam, that's all. Also, I'm not an engineer, so you guys can do whatever you want, I'm just expressing my opinion after working in this trade for 16 years I guess it just seemed weird thats all. My second pic was a joke too, lets have a laugh eh? Re: Is this how roof beams are supposed to be supported? 26Jul 01, 2010 11:45 am I agree, laughing is good that is why I included the , I was just having a light hearted poke. From the link you included in your shanty post, you can see that the hangers fit into the steel beam and in effect lock it into place. There is no way that beam can move unless you house walls have moved 100mm or more. I think you have bigger problems if that happens. I agree that it doesn't look the best but it isn't really as bad as it looks when you see the whole picture. I'd actually suggest that the wire has nothing to do with the steel. It certainly isn't holding anything in place long term. Accessible Carpentry & Cabinets accessiblecarpentry@gmail.com accessiblecarpentry.com.au https://www.facebook.com/pages/Accessible-Carpentry-Cabinets/583314911709039 Re: Is this how roof beams are supposed to be supported? 27Jul 01, 2010 12:01 pm Hmm those smile icons don't show in my posts, wonder if something is blocking them. Yep adblocker! Ahhh now I need to wonder what other posts I have been taking out of context, whoops. Re: Is this how roof beams are supposed to be supported? 28Jul 03, 2010 6:42 am I would consult with a structural engineer. I was thinking it was going to be enclosed with koma board. as I have done in the past. Re: Is this how roof beams are supposed to be supported? 29Jul 03, 2010 10:55 am We are at roofing stage and we have one beam that is the same - sitting on a brick each side.. no wire though! We are getting an inspector in to look at the roof just for peace of mind. Waiting for the colorbond to go on then inspector will come out. Building with Ventura homes (WA) Building thread: viewtopic.php?f=31&t=20516 Slab: 17/04/10, Bricking started: 12/05/10, Bricking finished: 2/06/10, Roof frame done: 11/06/10, Colorbond on: 14/07/10, Lock Up: 19/08/10, Cabinets: 25/08/10, Tiling done: 28/09/10, Electrical: 2/10/10, PCI: 29/10/10, Keys: 4/11/10 Re: Is this how roof beams are supposed to be supported? 30Jul 03, 2010 7:53 pm Engada Instead of posting an unhelpful response how about you don't post an unhelpful response. Hahahahahaha! You have sass, I like that. Our roof beam was supported EXACTLY like this. Like you, I worried and thought that it looked unsound. I passed it over with my SS and he said that it's normal practice. House has been completed for a few months now and so far no problems. Does seem odd though, I wish they would use something that at least LOOKS a little more structurally sound Re: Is this how roof beams are supposed to be supported? 31Jul 03, 2010 8:16 pm They've done the same in our house too. Personally I would have thought it would be sitting directly onto the brick wall and wondered why they didn't just build up the brick wall in those spots. Building SOR with Dreamstart Homes Customised Dream Dior/Summer Sensation https://forum.homeone.com.au/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=83776 THanks , l got a licensed building inspector to look at the rust, he said its just surface rust and it would take many years to become a problem because the beams are so… 22 28012 if l cannot get a sandblaster would a sander with sandpaper be better then a wire brush 4 7337 |