Browse Forums Building A New House 1 Oct 05, 2007 9:04 pm The painters were here everyday this week except for Wednesday.
Their progress is slow but steady and it appears there is still a bit to go. Whilst speaking with one of the guys earlier this week he indicated that they wouldn't be finished until late next week now. The Rumpus room is going to be "one of those" rooms according to them as the dark paint shows up more lines / bad plastering joins. Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ There was also the discovery of window architraves out of square and windows that are supposed to be symmetrical being different distances away from walls. In this case the lounge room has 2 windows of the same dimensions at opposing ends of the external wall. Now from a distance you probably wouldn't notice but when you step into the room it is really noticable. The left window is 69mm from the side wall at the top and 67mm from the wall at the bottom. The arch is 2mm out of level top to bottom. The right window is 36mm from the wall at the top and 42mm from the wall at the bottom. That arch is 6mm out of level top to bottom. Thats nearly 35mm difference between the 2 windows... Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ I haven't checked all the other window yet either, just these ones. Whilst on the subject of things being out of square we can also have a look at the manhole. Not quite sure who was thinking what when this went in!! Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ On a positive note the garage ceiling got some paint on it today. They obviously removed the garage door openers and paint above them. This is another question answered!! The garage ceiling is interesting too... Whats interesting is that "R" said the other day that they used to use 100mm wide wood to fill the holes in the roof around the edges and when I asked what they do now he kind of ignored the question. Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ I asked if the end of the panels where the holes where could be filled in. I am pretty sure "D" noted it down. I wonder if they will also block the access to the roof space as well. The pic blow is taken looking up against the wall into the roof cavity. Surely there must be something to go in there?? Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ The master bedroom double window is another interesting case. The window was originally fitted before bricks and was removed and refitted after bricks. When the window was refitted I pointed out that the flashing (the black bit scrunched up in the picture) had been left out. I was told at the time the window would be removed and refitted. After a few requests I noticed that it had indeed been fitted. Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Unfortunatley it was not done properly. Someone had the bright idea to roll it up and shove it back in the hole under the window. I wonder if this meets Australian Standards?? Stay tuned for more Carlisle Homes related issues next week!! There are plenty more to come Matt I have reverted to username - mattwalker Carlisle Homes - Grande 43 My building experience is here: http://www.ourgrandeplan.blogspot.com Re: Carlisle Homes - even more issues...Updated Tuesday 9th Oct 2Oct 06, 2007 11:48 am OMG Matt.....sorry to hear about your chain of unfortunate issues!!!! Everything you mentioned looks "fixable"...its weather they are willing to do it or not...the out of whack windows are certainly not acceptable!!!! THAT they have to fix!!!! Crooked windows are not part of the contract!!!!
Saw your post about the downpipes and mine looks similar...I asked our supervisor about it and he said it wont be in the way so we just have to wait and see... Re: Carlisle Homes - even more issues...Updated Tuesday 9th Oct 3Oct 06, 2007 12:05 pm Matt….they must love you!!
Once your doorways are painted you shouldn’t see the bad joins in the timber…..(shouldn’t!, if the guys sand back and paint well) As for the rest of it…all I can say is, while a room is empty your eye will be drawn to any imperfections. Once you have moved in and there are other elements in the room you are less likely to notice it all. BUT, I’m with you, they shouldn’t be there, but hey, we all know my opinions on this, so I try not to say too much! Internal and External Building and Colour Consultant Online - Worldwide http://www.denovoconcepts.com Re: Carlisle Homes - even more issues...Updated Tuesday 9th Oct 4Oct 06, 2007 8:11 pm todays effort:
Good news! The painters were at work again on a Saturday. Bad news more items to ad to the every growing list of stuff wrong with the house!! The garage roof has been painted now and besides the holes where the 100mm wide board supposedly goes (to plug up the great big holes that look up into the ceiling space) it is looking good. Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ At my first site meeting with "D" I mentioned the wood missing from the top of the door at the outdoor section of the bifold door to the alfresco. "D" says "that will be finished with a nice piece of timber"... I hope this is not his idea of a nice piece of timber: Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ I pay $4000 for a door to have this "nice piece of timber" installed above it?? Seriously the guys who fit this stuff ... what do they think with? This is another issue too. The downpipe from the left of the front door was removed when the renderer's came and did their bit. You would think they would do something with the downpipe to protect it.... Wrong!! It has been left of the garage door and the tradesmen have dragged it, moved it, stood on it and scratched it just beautifully. Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ I hope Carlisle Homes don't plan on using this on my house. The "one of those" rooms (rumpus room) also appears to have been worked on today. All the walls have been sanded back and some new top coat applied to the more wavy area's. Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ I hope these guys realise how critical I will be of the finish in this room (and the rest of the house now too) because of the "sorry can't help" attitude I got last week. The plasterers have been around the rest of the house with the top coat and have successfully managed to get 1 out 5 items on the list with their top-coat. You would think after my meeting with "R" and "D" and an emailed comprehensive list of plaster defects (amongst the many other things) that they might be able to get this right. It appears not to be so. Talk about 1 step forward 3 back. All this over skirting boards too! Something that could have been avoided More issues to come! I have reverted to username - mattwalker Carlisle Homes - Grande 43 My building experience is here: http://www.ourgrandeplan.blogspot.com Re: Carlisle Homes - even more issues...Updated Tuesday 9th Oct 6Oct 06, 2007 9:31 pm donuts,
thanks! I am still only listing the "smaller items" the big ones are waiting for a reply to an email early next week. Matt I have reverted to username - mattwalker Carlisle Homes - Grande 43 My building experience is here: http://www.ourgrandeplan.blogspot.com Re: Carlisle Homes - even more issues...Updated Tuesday 9th Oct 8Oct 06, 2007 10:15 pm Yak_Chat 3 things. Quality Price Speed Pick any 2 Quality and Speed... I never asked for it to be cheap! I have reverted to username - mattwalker Carlisle Homes - Grande 43 My building experience is here: http://www.ourgrandeplan.blogspot.com Re: Carlisle Homes - even more issues...Updated Tuesday 9th Oct 9Oct 06, 2007 10:16 pm Well Matt, I wish I had something positive to say because this saga of yours just keeps on keeping on! Surely these builders realise that they have a customer who is after quality finishes and they should be taking the greatest of care in all aspects of the building process from here on in - especially considering the investment you have made to this house - both financially and time/effort wise!
I know that when we finally choose our builder, I will be completely fussy about finishes and will keep an eye on every little thing - after all, once the builders finish they can just walk away - we are the ones that have to live with their work for many many years to come so we should have every right to be fussy and expect high quality standards.......stay on their backs!!!!!! Good luck in the coming weeks, I am sure you will keep us posted! Cheers, Ruth -Bought house in Melbourne inner burbs, knocked it down & now...we are owner builders! Completed OB project and moved in to our new home with our new baby in May 2009! Re: Carlisle Homes - even more issues...Updated Tuesday 9th Oct 10Oct 08, 2007 12:16 am I have just gone through the fixes stage from my pre-plaster stage. Matt's experience here just further reinforces the need to be on site at least 2-3 times a week as you just can't rely on the supervisor.
My plastering begins this week - hoping for quality and will accept nothing else. Currently Building in Bayside (Brighton East) Re: Carlisle Homes - even more issues...Updated Tuesday 9th Oct 11Oct 08, 2007 9:46 am Vlad76 I have just gone through the fixes stage from my pre-plaster stage. Matt's experience here just further reinforces the need to be on site at least 2-3 times a week as you just can't rely on the supervisor. I will suggest to be on site daily if possible! But we all know it's very difficult, and even if you were there everyday it would be quite difficult to check everything as if we were experts on this we would do it ourselves! Matt, The issue regarding the windows not symmetric could have something to do with the bricks in the beginning, as the window has to be placed on top of the bricks. If the bricks weren't done properly in the first place, there's no way the window guy can position the windows in the required position. I also have issues with my site as mentioned in my blog about a steel beam not bolted to the ground. No one would be able to pick that up once it's all covered by bricks. And does the brick layers care about it even if they see it? Of course not, that's not their problem! Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Re: Carlisle Homes - even more issues...Updated Tuesday 9th Oct 12Oct 08, 2007 9:54 am ahuang Matt, The issue regarding the windows not symmetric could have something to do with the bricks in the beginning, as the window has to be placed on top of the bricks. If the bricks weren't done properly in the first place, there's no way the window guy can position the windows in the required position. I thought the windows go on as the frame goes up... I remember all my windows were in before any brick work. Re: Carlisle Homes - even more issues...Updated Tuesday 9th Oct 13Oct 08, 2007 10:42 am Correctly me if I am wrong, my understanding is during the frame stage, the windows are only "partially" fixed by a few nails. It's then adjusted and firmly installed as required after the bricks are done. Re: Carlisle Homes - even more issues...Updated Tuesday 9th Oct 14Oct 08, 2007 11:02 am ahuang Correctly me if I am wrong, my understanding is during the frame stage, the windows are only "partially" fixed by a few nails. It's then adjusted and firmly installed as required after the bricks are done. The windows are installed but not squared during this stage. They go up when the frame goes up. Someone didn't measure properly... I have reverted to username - mattwalker Carlisle Homes - Grande 43 My building experience is here: http://www.ourgrandeplan.blogspot.com Re: Carlisle Homes - even more issues...Updated Tuesday 9th Oct 15Oct 08, 2007 12:08 pm Hey Matt, those windows are f$%#*d, they make the whole rear wall apear to have some sort of a curvature to it. That definately would not meet the standards.... Surely... I would be screaming at them about that one for sure.....
Ahung, re your steel supports. That is illegal 100%, against the OH&S act for starters. "Any load bearing wall/structure must be securely fixed/mounted prior to retaining any load". So if you wanted to you could call anyone form the safety council to your worksite and they would close it down, until rectified. Or you can lodge you own, "PIN" (Provisional Improvement Notice) and then they will have to fix it.... That does not look very secure at all.. Gav & Vanessa Building In Melbourne (Sth East Suburbs) http://www.arkraider.blogspot.com/ Rawdon Hill Construction - Canterbury Heritage Re: Carlisle Homes - even more issues...Updated Tuesday 9th Oct 16Oct 09, 2007 10:30 pm Warning! Don't put stuff here...
Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ So what do we do? Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ I have reverted to username - mattwalker Carlisle Homes - Grande 43 My building experience is here: http://www.ourgrandeplan.blogspot.com Re: Carlisle Homes - even more issues...Updated Tuesday 9th Oct 17Oct 09, 2007 10:31 pm The good, the bad and the ugly...
Today, like yesterday, involved the painters doing their thing some more. These guys are workaholics. 6 days a week. They beat me there every day and leave late in the afternoons. Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ The feature walls have the first coat on today and the colour is looking good. There is one on the long wall in the entrance and the other is behind the bedhead in the master bedroom. Although yoy cant see it from the pictures, both of these feature walls are the same colour. There is more light upstairs in this pic. Thats the good... The niche in the bedroom seems to have a drinking problem... It is pi55ed (or at least the plaster is!). If you look at the first picture it is noticable but not so bad. The second picture I have drawn a straight line across it to show you just how far out it is. Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ This is the left hand side of the niche. The right side is better but not by much! Thats the bad... The theatre room has had its second coat of paint applied today and the patchwork is disgraceful. Again, for me this is the most important room in the house and it will need to be finished 99% perfect before I will be 100% happy. Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ There is waves in the joins, there are raised sections where the nails have gone in and low sections where there hasn't been enough top coat applied. Thats the ugly... Thats 3 rooms with major issues. Katie reckons I need to stop looking ... I have reverted to username - mattwalker Carlisle Homes - Grande 43 My building experience is here: http://www.ourgrandeplan.blogspot.com Re: Carlisle Homes - even more issues...Updated Tuesday 9th Oct 18Oct 09, 2007 10:31 pm Here's a question for you:
11 doors have 3 hinges. The 12th only has 2. Why?? I have reverted to username - mattwalker Carlisle Homes - Grande 43 My building experience is here: http://www.ourgrandeplan.blogspot.com Re: Carlisle Homes - even more issues...Updated Tuesday 9th Oct 20Oct 09, 2007 11:12 pm A clever answer Shanem but not the one I was after.
I should explain I guess. I added an extra cupboard downstairs and the door height was lower than the rest of the doors throughout this level (2340mm and 2040mm.) as you rightly stated. Whats ridiculous is that this door should have had 3 hinges on it, not 2, to "match" the doors surrounding it. Logical ... I think so. I have reverted to username - mattwalker Carlisle Homes - Grande 43 My building experience is here: http://www.ourgrandeplan.blogspot.com We were lucky in that our old house was so small (86 square metres) compared to the new house, they were able to take enough readings around the old backyard house before… 8 37150 Carlisle use to sneak a water resistant "Performance Solution" into their contracts. Have you checked your contract for same? 4 10245 I would be wary. Is you site demilished but nothing else done? Sounds like liquidity problems to me. Our builder did the same. Got hundreds of thousands of dollars of… 2 15407 |