Browse Forums Building A New House Re: Building Delays with Scott ParK Homes 41Jun 28, 2010 11:14 pm Hi S&K and Jandj, We are building off a plan that was advertised in June last year in the newspaper. We stuck to the plan and the changes we made were mainly non-structral upgrades. Because of the time delays we've had since signing up, making any changes I was concerned that would drag things out even out. Now that the brickwork is up there are a couple of things I wish I had changed unfortunately all structral, but we will just have to live with it. What attracted us to this plan was the entire living area looking onto an alfresco at the backend of the house, as I'm not keen on alfresco on the corner side of houses. Can't wait to see the end result. Scott Park are very slow builders! But I do hope the wait is all worth it. Re: Building Delays with Scott ParK Homes 42Jun 29, 2010 6:48 pm We signed in September and our slab went down in June, so nine months. A couple building near us also signed with SP in September and have yet to see earthworks start on their block. I keep telling myself the build quality is the most important thing. Once the house is finished hopefully I wont remember the painful process getting there. Re: Building Delays with Scott ParK Homes 43Jun 29, 2010 7:05 pm It's strange isn't it, we signed sept also & have reached plate high. The workmanship is great, don't mind the extra bit waiting for an excellent quality home at the end. Cooper's Build - Perth NOR viewtopic.php?f=31&t=30525 Prelim- mid Sept 2009, Pre Start 2 Feb, Siteworks- 21 April 2010, Slab- 10 May, Deliveries- all by 26 May Bricking- 28 May - 26 June, Roof complete 5 Aug, Float 28 Aug, Lock up 16 Sept Cabinets 1 Oct, Tiling 22 Oct, PCI 18 Nov, KEYS 3 Dec 2010 MOVED IN 17 DEC 2010 Re: Building Delays with Scott ParK Homes 44Jul 24, 2010 8:27 pm The race is on, between myself and a friend at work. shes building with Dale Alcock. we had our prestart before her... we had a lil hold up with our bank and are now just waiting for construction to start. she now has her builder saying to her are you ready to build..coz they are. they have dramas with a corner block with retaining walls and moving sewer and power connections. for some reason i think she will be in her house before us!!!!! SEZZA'S BANKSIA DESIGNER viewtopic.php?f=31&t=33423 Building with SPH SOR - Baldivis. 3/5/10 Prestart 30/5/10 Final Plans Arrive 18/8/10 Siteworks 26/8/10 Slab 14/9/10-14/10/10 Bricks (2 Man Team) 25/10/10 Roof Frame and Roof Tiles 15/11/10 Rendering -Inside walls and Front of House Lock up and Locked Out!!! 10/12[/size] Re: Building Delays with Scott ParK Homes 45Jul 24, 2010 9:24 pm I wouldn't be so sure sezza, it varies so much between builders & how they work through things. I think you have a good chance of finishing around the same time as your friend if not sooner!!!! Positive thinking!!! Cooper's Build - Perth NOR viewtopic.php?f=31&t=30525 Prelim- mid Sept 2009, Pre Start 2 Feb, Siteworks- 21 April 2010, Slab- 10 May, Deliveries- all by 26 May Bricking- 28 May - 26 June, Roof complete 5 Aug, Float 28 Aug, Lock up 16 Sept Cabinets 1 Oct, Tiling 22 Oct, PCI 18 Nov, KEYS 3 Dec 2010 MOVED IN 17 DEC 2010 Re: Building Delays with Scott ParK Homes 46Apr 07, 2011 4:17 pm Its not so much a case of a shortage of tradesman in Perth, its more so a constant battle to get paid a fair days pay for a fair days work. Unfortunately some of the people in positions of power in a few of these building companies have no idea the constant battle, not only for tradesman, but for supervisors to have a job scheduled properly and correct materials sent to site. A lot of these people dont even have trade backgrounds and dont understand the issues that can arise on site from their back to front ideologies and lack of experience. I wouldnt employ an aircraft pilot to run a cruise liner for example or a bricklayer to be a roof carpenter, so why employ someone to be a general manager or a construction manager who knows bugger all about housing construction and has no on site experience as an ex tradesperson would? As soon as something gets stuffed up or forgotten they expect their trades to come back to jobs for free or at rates that barely cover the cost of fuel let alone time spent on site to complete works which would have been othrwise completed had other people in the system done their jobs properly. Inevitably the "money jobs" will have priority and getting back to jobs is at the bottom of the list, after all most of us have families to feed and mortgages to pay ourselves. The responsible parties carry on making the same mistakes and the trades and supervisors are left to pick up the pieces. Next time there is a delay on the construction of your home, consider the fact that maybe the builder isnt doing the right thing by its sub contractors and word soon gets around. Im sure any person reading this would not go to work and do an exceptionally good job for no or very little pay/recognition for their efforts. Re: Building Delays with Scott ParK Homes 47Apr 07, 2011 4:29 pm In reply to above post, i would say that if the tradies (subs) did their job correctly the first time there would be no need to go back & "fix" things therefore no wasted fuel/time or having to redo a job for "nothing" We were very lucky to have excellent tradespeople who took pride in their work to build our home & do a great job.....1st time 'round!! Cooper's Build - Perth NOR viewtopic.php?f=31&t=30525 Prelim- mid Sept 2009, Pre Start 2 Feb, Siteworks- 21 April 2010, Slab- 10 May, Deliveries- all by 26 May Bricking- 28 May - 26 June, Roof complete 5 Aug, Float 28 Aug, Lock up 16 Sept Cabinets 1 Oct, Tiling 22 Oct, PCI 18 Nov, KEYS 3 Dec 2010 MOVED IN 17 DEC 2010 Re: Building Delays with Scott ParK Homes 49Apr 07, 2011 8:24 pm I agree fully with your comment cooper32, but ever heard the term 'Pay peanuts, get monkeys'? If you read my post closely its not trade stuff ups i am referring to, its office jockeys not doing their jobs properly, causing short orders of material or allowing certain things to go through on plans without having the on site experience to know that certain things dont work. I never said re-do a job either, but merely complete a job where the reason it wasnt completed in the first place is due to the builders error and not supplying the right material for the job. Im not perfect but i do take a lot of pride in my work. I treat new houses as someones dream, and i work to the ethic that if it was my home, would i accept my own workmanship?. Unfortunately a lot of others, although generally believing the same ethic, simply look at the dollar value of the job and spend only as much time as the pay warrants. If that means rushing, then thats what they do, and then people like me get asked to clean up after them yet not get paid for it. When was the last time you heard of someone calling a plumber due to a blocked toilet, and said plumber came out to their house, spent 3 hrs there, and fixed the blockage for free? Well in a nutshell thats basically what is expected of trades these days at some companies. At the end of the day we have done our trades through low paid apprenticeships to learn and be what we are today. Advertising 'ss' utes with big speakers and surfing to promote construction apprenticeships is pointless when you have to do on average ten extra hours a week for free. There goes my afternoonn surf! Please read the posts carefully next time BTW im glad your home turned out great, you must have had a great supervisor.....a happy worker is a good worker Re: Building Delays with Scott ParK Homes 50Apr 07, 2011 10:41 pm psjoland Ditto Cooper Hi psjoland, long time no hear Hope all is well with your family & home?? How fast has the last 5/6 months gone??? perth_tradie I agree fully with your comment cooper32, but ever heard the term 'Pay peanuts, get monkeys'? If you read my post closely its not trade stuff ups i am referring to, its office jockeys not doing their jobs properly, causing short orders of material or allowing certain things to go through on plans without having the on site experience to know that certain things dont work. I never said re-do a job either, but merely complete a job where the reason it wasnt completed in the first place is due to the builders error and not supplying the right material for the job. Im not perfect but i do take a lot of pride in my work. I treat new houses as someones dream, and i work to the ethic that if it was my home, would i accept my own workmanship?. Unfortunately a lot of others, although generally believing the same ethic, simply look at the dollar value of the job and spend only as much time as the pay warrants. If that means rushing, then thats what they do, and then people like me get asked to clean up after them yet not get paid for it. When was the last time you heard of someone calling a plumber due to a blocked toilet, and said plumber came out to their house, spent 3 hrs there, and fixed the blockage for free? Well in a nutshell thats basically what is expected of trades these days at some companies. At the end of the day we have done our trades through low paid apprenticeships to learn and be what we are today. Advertising 'ss' utes with big speakers and surfing to promote construction apprenticeships is pointless when you have to do on average ten extra hours a week for free. There goes my afternoonn surf! Please read the posts carefully next time perthtradie, i read your post carefully & stand by my last post. You're not telling me anything i don't know with low paid apprenticeships, but if you're good at what you do you can pretty much name your price once you're qualified (been there & doing that very successfully with own business!!) While i was working for peanuts (& no i'm no monkey )throughout my appren doing long hours, friends were all doing 9-5 jobs but it's all about choice. I love what i do & with that come the sacrifices. At the end of the day if you're not prepared to put in 110% at any job you're called out to maybe it's time for a change or be self employed, name a price per hour & if you're good you'll get repeat business & referals....... BUT be prepared to do a lot more hours with book keeping, banking, maintenance etc. etc.. I don't doubt that some orders placed by admin are wrong or don't show up in the building industry but if this happened on a reg basis i wouldn't be sticking around for long, there are plenty of good companies out there crying out for good tradies. You sound very frustrated with your current employer...maybe time for a seachange Cooper's Build - Perth NOR viewtopic.php?f=31&t=30525 Prelim- mid Sept 2009, Pre Start 2 Feb, Siteworks- 21 April 2010, Slab- 10 May, Deliveries- all by 26 May Bricking- 28 May - 26 June, Roof complete 5 Aug, Float 28 Aug, Lock up 16 Sept Cabinets 1 Oct, Tiling 22 Oct, PCI 18 Nov, KEYS 3 Dec 2010 MOVED IN 17 DEC 2010 Re: Building delays with Scott Park Homes 51Apr 07, 2011 10:45 pm Cooper32 mark299 Well, if they are monitoring this forum. They should know how poor their performance and customer service has been. Some companies do care about customer service and try to fix issues. There are others that will not care or do anything, as they think they will keep getting innocent customers irrespective of their delays... All that have been affected by their delay, if i were in your spot. I will put some wordings in a cardboard poster saying how poor their service has been and all the delays, then take it to their display villages. Without interfering with their business, you will just provide your view to those innocent future victims. I know this is an extreme move, but if you cannot get your house build and handed over, and are being given the run around... and for so many SPH builds, then the company has to take an action. This will get them into action. Mark299, i think your suggestion is way extreme!!! It seems to be just the ones who have signed towards the end of last year & maybe it's because we got stuck at the end of the FHB grant rush that we are waiting a little longer. Others who are at the actual building process now seem to be going at a good pace & quality is suberb (i would rather wait a little & get good quality rather than quick built ** home!!) We still would have chosen SPH, just would have been nice to get realistic time frames, as homes are beautiful. Compared to some other builder nightmares i've heard/read about this is nothing!!!!! Stay positice everyone with SPH, sure call up & see how things are progressing, but at the end of the day (well maybe not "day" LOL) you will get a lovely home & stressing isn't going to make it happen sooner!! You own shares in the company or something cooper? lol Re: Building Delays with Scott ParK Homes 52Apr 07, 2011 11:05 pm ^^^^^ WTF Shares???? I wish!!! Nah Building/construction (residential) not my forte Thinking you have serious employer/employee gripes with SP for you to be digging up way old posts though..... come on 12+ months old!!!! Bygones mate, bygones negativity breeds unhappiness Cooper's Build - Perth NOR viewtopic.php?f=31&t=30525 Prelim- mid Sept 2009, Pre Start 2 Feb, Siteworks- 21 April 2010, Slab- 10 May, Deliveries- all by 26 May Bricking- 28 May - 26 June, Roof complete 5 Aug, Float 28 Aug, Lock up 16 Sept Cabinets 1 Oct, Tiling 22 Oct, PCI 18 Nov, KEYS 3 Dec 2010 MOVED IN 17 DEC 2010 Re: Building Delays with Scott ParK Homes 53Apr 08, 2011 10:48 am Well obviously you haven't read my post properly. Read it again. Firstly, I am self employed and do my own paperwork etc. If you have worked for project builders you would know that prices are dictated by them and not the trades. As far as private work goes, yes you can put a price on it and yes I have plenty of referrals. I am new to this forum and have read and responded to a couple of threads this being one of them. I never directed my issues at sp it just so happens that this is the thread that certain things were mentioned that I responded to. I enjoy what I do, the reason for my response was to make clear the 'other' possibilities and factors that play a part in the delay of housing construction, and that the decisions made by hierarchy at these companies are quite often based on theory and not what actually goes on or for that matter is achievable on a construction site. Things don't always go to 'plan' so to speak and what is drawn on a plan is only as good as the trades willing to complete set jobs to a set price. Crap price crap quality. Read my post again and again and again until you understand it. Your response to it is irrelevant as it doesn't address the points which I have made and put forward. With all due respect I think you're living in dream world. Get out into the project home industry and see for yourself. Builders looking for good trades should pay what they are worth. The price of homes constantly increases yet rates more often than not are years old. Maybe if these people of power donned their work boots etc and spent a week on site, then they would see first hand how their decisions affect the trades at grass roots level. Before u respond have a good read and think about it Re: Building Delays with Scott ParK Homes 54Apr 08, 2011 12:29 pm Ouch....I think i've hit a nerve there???!!! Enough time wasted on this trivial matter...I have bigger fish to fry!!! It's been fun debating with you pt!! Cooper's Build - Perth NOR viewtopic.php?f=31&t=30525 Prelim- mid Sept 2009, Pre Start 2 Feb, Siteworks- 21 April 2010, Slab- 10 May, Deliveries- all by 26 May Bricking- 28 May - 26 June, Roof complete 5 Aug, Float 28 Aug, Lock up 16 Sept Cabinets 1 Oct, Tiling 22 Oct, PCI 18 Nov, KEYS 3 Dec 2010 MOVED IN 17 DEC 2010 Re: Building Delays with Scott ParK Homes 55Apr 08, 2011 1:03 pm perth_tradie Maybe if these people of power donned their work boots etc and spent a week on site, then they would see first hand how their decisions affect the trades at grass roots level. Before u respond have a good read and think about it Sounds like a episode of Undercover Boss is needed !!!! HAHAHAAH Built the Grand Karri with SPH viewtopic.php?f=31&t=32958&p=463360#p463360 Re: Building Delays with Scott ParK Homes 56Apr 08, 2011 2:37 pm Undercover boss indeed!!! Psjoland. Cooper, it takes more than a misinformed opinion to "touch my nerves". You yourself state that residential construction is not your forte. If so then why partake in a debate u know little about and then fail to address the original points made? I wrote what I did to give others a bit more insight into what happens within this industry instead of shifting blame to trade shortages. If the building and construction industry looked after trades then we wouldn't have trade shortages due to mass exodus to the mining sector etc. But that's another story. Maybe you should go for a job as a GM or Construction manager as most of these people know as much about residential construction as u do. With all due respect. In future if the matter to you is trivial or a waste of time, please don't bother responding. Re: Building Delays with Scott ParK Homes 57Apr 08, 2011 8:50 pm perth_tradie Undercover boss indeed!!! Psjoland. Cooper, it takes more than a misinformed opinion to "touch my nerves". You yourself state that residential construction is not your forte. If so then why partake in a debate u know little about and then fail to address the original points made? I wrote what I did to give others a bit more insight into what happens within this industry instead of shifting blame to trade shortages. If the building and construction industry looked after trades then we wouldn't have trade shortages due to mass exodus to the mining sector etc. But that's another story. Maybe you should go for a job as a GM or Construction manager as most of these people know as much about residential construction as u do. With all due respect. In future if the matter to you is trivial or a waste of time, please don't bother responding. ^^^ Freedom of speech, respectful of other H1 users........ WEEKEND IS NEAR!!!!! It's Friday night pt, time to relax, chillout & have that much needed beer/wine!!!!!! Don't take things so personally, i never attacked you as i don't even know who you are or if you had anything to do with the construction of my home...but if you did, thanks for the great job....we love it!!!! If you have inside knowledge of a * builder then maybe focus your frustrations on them rather than generalise, that would be more helpful to potential clients. Good luck with your business Cooper's Build - Perth NOR viewtopic.php?f=31&t=30525 Prelim- mid Sept 2009, Pre Start 2 Feb, Siteworks- 21 April 2010, Slab- 10 May, Deliveries- all by 26 May Bricking- 28 May - 26 June, Roof complete 5 Aug, Float 28 Aug, Lock up 16 Sept Cabinets 1 Oct, Tiling 22 Oct, PCI 18 Nov, KEYS 3 Dec 2010 MOVED IN 17 DEC 2010 Re: Building Delays with Scott ParK Homes 58Apr 09, 2011 1:30 am Hooray for the weekend I've made my point. Sometimes theres more to an issue than the blatantly obvious! Its nice to speak to clients after they get their keys and to see them so proud and happy about their new home. Thats what makes it worth it to soldier on! Unfortunately i had to generalize as not to implicate any particular builder, but it's a wide spread issue as i currently work for 3 builders and all have the same problem. One ordering stuff up from the office delayed a job 3 weeks because the item was missed in scheduling and had to be specially ordered. I then returned to install said item, but 5 days later, because i had jobs to do which were actually financially worth doing, the nearest convenience was five days after delivery. All of a sudden the house is delayed a month. Of course the builder doesn't want to admit to incompetence so to protect their credibility they blame trade shortages and the like. Just gives clients a slightly different perspective than the builders propaganda I didnt intend any disrespect to you coops and i apologize if i was that way, im just passionate i guess One last thing.... If you are thinking of building a house regardless whom with, i would suggest asking the salesperson (to be politicallyy correct ) where in your area are there any houses of that model being built. It will give you a chance to see the quality of the real product, not just the one on display. Talk to the trades and prefferably when people aren't working take a look around and check the quality of workmanship. If the home is in your area, chances are that you will have those same bricklayers,roof carpenters, roof sheeter/tilers,fixing carpenters etc performing tasks on your home. If you like what you see then sign up with at least some peace in your mind. Re: Building Delays with Scott ParK Homes 59Apr 09, 2011 10:23 am All good pt!!! It's actually nice to hear a tradie so passionate about their work. I often tried to catch up with the tradies to pass on our thanks with a bottle of something!!! They, after all, are the ones building our home. I guess we were one of the lucky ones who had no scheduling issues, a great SS & tradies with good work ethic. Scheduling stuff ups would be frustrating to the tradies. good point to get house referals, even if your salesperson is reluctant to give you addresses for construction sites you could take a drive around the area as you'll soon spot company sign out front of a new home!! Cooper's Build - Perth NOR viewtopic.php?f=31&t=30525 Prelim- mid Sept 2009, Pre Start 2 Feb, Siteworks- 21 April 2010, Slab- 10 May, Deliveries- all by 26 May Bricking- 28 May - 26 June, Roof complete 5 Aug, Float 28 Aug, Lock up 16 Sept Cabinets 1 Oct, Tiling 22 Oct, PCI 18 Nov, KEYS 3 Dec 2010 MOVED IN 17 DEC 2010 Re: Building Delays with Scott ParK Homes 60Apr 09, 2011 10:10 pm Thats pretty cool, we are building also with Scott Park. Brick completed 18th Dec roughly 2010, Roof end of feb, lock up mid march 2011 tiling last week. so it looks like mid may b4 we have keys.....sheesh seems way too long, im living with my parents with 3 kids and emotionally exhausted, i need my space. mind you tho, i have been very happy building with SPH, building The Sovereign in bedfordale, and the quality of tradesmen have been fantastic. i can't complain about their service or their staff, but frustrated with timing but i think its coz i live with my parents......and im gen Y and expect things done yesterday......lol In fairness nobody gave a crap about the ACCC and the gag clauses continued in the pro forma templates of a few other builders after the ACCC took on Wisdom, and more… 19 73282 Just to makea point about this, an approach that some people have found sucessful in negotiating these rises down, Is to provide some workings to the builder, specifying… 4 81664 While i was across this behavior's pre appointing my (the builders) surveyor, I did tell the builder i was aware what they were doing and while i disagreed with it, they… 13 14548 |