Browse Forums Building A New House 1 Dec 22, 2009 7:54 am Hi there Has anyone managed to get actual Plans from their builder for Stormwater, or the Sewer Plans? (I assume that all the tradies must be working to some kind of a paper plan.) If yes, was there struggle to get them from the builder? Also, is the builder responsible for connecting the (newly laid / replaced) sewer pipes into the Sewer Mains? Or, do we need to get Sydney Water (or our plumber) to connect from our house's sewer pipe to the Mains? My signature is distracting people from my wise posts ... Re: Plans for Stormwater and Sewer 2Dec 22, 2009 9:58 am And, if we have (which I think is the case) our stormater underground pipe eventually exitting our front boundary at a slight upwards angle, should we expect problems due to gravity or whatever?!? Ie. our stormater pipe in the front yard is possibly positioned lower than its exit point (when it turns into a street drain at the kerb). Any clues anyone? Anyone knows anything about design of stormater piping?? Or has a plan??? My signature is distracting people from my wise posts ... Re: Plans for Stormwater and Sewer 4Dec 28, 2009 11:28 am We got both our stormwater layout plan and our sewer layout plan from our builder with the final drawings, I assumed it was just standard that you got them, because surely you need to install your stormwater to certain requirements. We did not have to ask for them they were just supplied. Re: Plans for Stormwater and Sewer 5Dec 28, 2009 12:19 pm Hi hoffdog, Does this mean that you'll be installing these both yourself at some stage? With us, the builder needs to do them, and we haven't definitely received any such plans ... My signature is distracting people from my wise posts ... Re: Plans for Stormwater and Sewer 6Dec 28, 2009 1:10 pm Hey Lex, in terms of the connections, you'd have to check with your water authority, as down here in Melb (Whittlesea council) our builders plumbers have to apply for permission to connect to the sewer main or sewer point and then have to lodge an application for an inspection with the relevant plumbing authority. In terms of the plans, our builder gave us a rough plan of where the stormwater pipes were to run outside the building, but we didnt get a copy of any of the sewer plans. As far as we're aware the plumber is meant to lodge a sewer plan with the plumbing industry commission which shows the location of the pipes they have run, this is meant to be done at the completion of the works. You should be able to apply yourself to the plumbing board to get a copy of these plans. Does that make sense? Hope it helps E Re: Plans for Stormwater and Sewer 7Dec 28, 2009 2:57 pm yes we will be getting someone to do it for us after handover. the builder is willing to do it but they prefer not to. they wanted to charge us 5700 but i think we can get it done cheaper than this, thats why they give you all the plans. when i built my last house i did not receive the plans for stormwater because the builder did it all Re: Plans for Stormwater and Sewer 8Dec 28, 2009 3:50 pm My engineering had the stormwater plans on it. Its just a lot of dotted and dashed lines. SA water did my sewer to get to my block as they had to dig up the road, and then my builder did the rest. I have the original sewer plans I think my convayencer sent those to me. You will not have an issue if your stormwater is slightly above the exit point as your roof is higher than that, therefore water will flow downhill. Re: Plans for Stormwater and Sewer 9Dec 28, 2009 7:25 pm aaron4erin Hey Lex, in terms of the connections, you'd have to check with your water authority, as down here in Melb (Whittlesea council) our builders plumbers have to apply for permission to connect to the sewer main or sewer point and then have to lodge an application for an inspection with the relevant plumbing authority. In terms of the plans, our builder gave us a rough plan of where the stormwater pipes were to run outside the building, but we didnt get a copy of any of the sewer plans. As far as we're aware the plumber is meant to lodge a sewer plan with the plumbing industry commission which shows the location of the pipes they have run, this is meant to be done at the completion of the works. You should be able to apply yourself to the plumbing board to get a copy of these plans. Does that make sense? Hope it helps E Hey thanks E! I will check with my SS what's our case; I was always under impression that they will do it all, including the bit about applying to the plumbing industry commission (which I had no idea about) ... but who knows. I think it's always good to have all possible plans, especially if we ever have some kind of sewage or stormwater "emergency". I suppose our Water authority will also eventually have to have our plans , just like they should have had it with our old house standing. Unfortunately, they (or the builder) wanted to make sure sure sure that our new house is going to be a safe distance from any sewer lines which was quite ridiculous and just a money extracting exercise, as our old site plan had it all already (and it's very far away) ... annoying when you have to pay almos $600 for something that is not needed in the first place My signature is distracting people from my wise posts ... Re: Plans for Stormwater and Sewer 10Dec 28, 2009 7:30 pm hoffdog yes we will be getting someone to do it for us after handover. the builder is willing to do it but they prefer not to. they wanted to charge us 5700 but i think we can get it done cheaper than this, thats why they give you all the plans. when i built my last house i did not receive the plans for stormwater because the builder did it all Hmmm, our builder is not very flexible (ie. at all!) ... In any case, I think the owner should get ALL the plans, for everything, regardless of the fact that the builder built it ... will check with my SS what's the story ... buildingwithhamra My engineering had the stormwater plans on it. Its just a lot of dotted and dashed lines. SA water did my sewer to get to my block as they had to dig up the road, and then my builder did the rest. I have the original sewer plans I think my convayencer sent those to me. You will not have an issue if your stormwater is slightly above the exit point as your roof is higher than that, therefore water will flow downhill. Mmmm, I thought that because the water will be strugging to exit the pipes at the kerb, but this sounds good ... My signature is distracting people from my wise posts ... Re: Plans for Stormwater and Sewer 11Dec 28, 2009 9:03 pm Lex And, if we have (which I think is the case) our stormater underground pipe eventually exitting our front boundary at a slight upwards angle, should we expect problems due to gravity or whatever?!? Ie. our stormater pipe in the front yard is possibly positioned lower than its exit point (when it turns into a street drain at the kerb). Any clues anyone? Anyone knows anything about design of stormater piping?? Or has a plan??? Hey Lex I would assume that if your pipes are lower than the street level then you would have to get a hydraulic pump to pump it up to the kerb otherwise how would it travel up? Though I could be totally wrong. We got our stormwater plans when we went to council. Our block and therefore pipes are lower than street level but we have a drainage reserve to the rear right of our property which we are connecting too that is lower down than us. (Lots of undulations on our sloping street!) Hope I've helped! Re: Plans for Stormwater and Sewer 12Dec 29, 2009 7:50 am Hi buildingadreamhome, Thanks for this info - it got me thinking ... Our block is sloping to the back (and there is easement right at the back of the block). I think that one of the new pipes (but this is probably only a sewage pipe) goes for some 10 m from the house to the back and ends close to where the easement pit is. I don't think it's connected to the easement / mains yet (not sure of the terminology). The land at the front of the house seems to be maybe some 10 cm lower than the street level ... but (just checked our site plan) - the front wall of the house should actually be 5cm higher than the street level, and it's probably right there, only it's hard to see with all the digging and holes and hills that are in our front yard ... Anyway, one new pipe goes from the front of the house, across our front yard and the nature strip, and it discharges through the kerb onto the street - so I think this must be stormwater because our plan says "stormwater to street via water tank" ... There are no pumps visible anywhere (at least not yet ) ... it could be that the front pipe is laid totally flat, and maybe the force of the stormwater will be able to push it out at the kerb exit ?!?!?! If not, I suppose we could have some issues with water tank overflowing or something ?!?!?! not sure in the mechanics of it ... My signature is distracting people from my wise posts ... Re: Plans for Stormwater and Sewer 13Dec 29, 2009 12:55 pm Hey Lex Well if you already have all the piping set up then you won't need the pump as it would have been part of your tender under the stormwater requirements. Sorry I didn't realise that you already were up to that stage. It must just be pressure/force that will "pump" the water out. Re: Plans for Stormwater and Sewer 14Dec 30, 2009 7:58 am buildingadreamhome Hey Lex Well if you already have all the piping set up then you won't need the pump as it would have been part of your tender under the stormwater requirements. Sorry I didn't realise that you already were up to that stage. It must just be pressure/force that will "pump" the water out. Thanks, and yeah, we have progressed fast so far. All the pipes are already there, and I think they must have been laid to some kind of a paper plan. However, we have nothing at all in our contract or in our documentation that went to council that even remotely relates to stormwater, or sewage, or any plumbing. And I can't believe that the various lots of piping people would just go there and work something out on the spot Our tender is so free of any details in relation to this and I like to know what's gooing on, just in case! Not to mention that we paid for it !! My signature is distracting people from my wise posts ... Re: Plans for Stormwater and Sewer 15Dec 30, 2009 8:18 am Lex And I can't believe that the various lots of piping people would just go there and work something out on the spot This is what our guy did when he connected our tank through the drainage reserve to the easement a couple of houses down from us. Just dug and if he was going to hit rock (which luckily he didn't) he would have gone around it....so no plans - just a take a chance. Our stormwater plans ended at our property - nothing for the connection to the easement was on there! Good luck with the rest of your build Lex! Re: Plans for Stormwater and Sewer 16Jan 01, 2010 9:35 pm Hi Lex. We got a "concept" plan and it was included in the council submission. The actual is a little different than what was given to council, but the builder will not give us the engineering drawings (for anything). I took a lot of pictures of how everything is connected so I can keep a record:) They connected our overflow to our stormwater easement, and the sewer to the sewer running through our property. Greg Re: Plans for Stormwater and Sewer 17Jan 05, 2010 10:36 pm We are landscaping our yard at the moment and needed the same type of plans. We rang the builders yesterday (house was built 2.5 years ago) and they had gone to the local water authority ( North East Water) got a copy and posted the plan to us which we got today Can't beat that for service!! The plan is only a rough one, but shows the dimensions we needed to find the house plumbing around the yard. If you can't get hold of some plans it maybe worthwhile hiring a Pipe and Cable locator and mapping it out yourself before digging anywhere. Coates hire have them - http://www.coateshire.com.au/products/p ... P=446&S=44 Cheers Re: Plans for Stormwater and Sewer 18Jan 06, 2010 8:18 am Builders don't normally give you a full set of plans. We got nothing at all for plumbing, and for framing, only a partial roof truss plan. There's a lot of stuff that most people wouldn't be the least bit interested in, and that only the SS and the relevant trades get copies of. The only thing we had relating to plumbing was the location of the sewer in our easement marked on the site plan - that was important as it related directly to the depth of piers along the back of our slab. There's a whole saga about framing plans that I won't go into because it would fill up pages, but we wanted detailed plans and never got them after we noticed that roof trusses had been installed running in the wrong direction. We refused to pay the frame stage progress payment until we received a copy of the engineering report and diagrams, showing that various rectifications were adequate. We did get those. You could ask, if you have a specific need for something that isn't included in your set of plans - they may agree to give you a copy. Or they may not. As others have said, sewer and stormwater plans should be available from your water authority though. Re: Plans for Stormwater and Sewer 20May 12, 2010 8:20 pm Just noticed a note on a builder's Site Plan related to this. It says: Refer to hydraulic engineer's design for stormwater layout. How do we get a copy of that plan?? Anyone suceeded in that?? (P. S. Already tried the builder - our CSO claims she knows nothing about this.) 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