Building A New House
Jul 12, 2007 12:30 pm
Hi I am about to sign up with PD to build a bridgeport 38 in the point cook area. Does anyone recommend this builder. I have seen some great reviews on this site which is terrific to see. My main question is would it be better to just get the standard batten lights that come with the house and hire an electirician to come in after wards to do the entire electircal fitout with downlights, sensors etc or should I have this done prior to plastering the house by the builder. PD is chargiing $8000 extra for what I want done. Is that normal pricing.
Also has anyone had a jetmaster installed by PD. Is $7000 to much. If so can I get them to do the pre work IE: Etxra bricks and have this isntalled after handover
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Jul 12, 2007 12:49 pm
Wow - $8k is a lot of electrical upgrades!
I think the cheapest method discussed on this forum is to get the builder to do any lighting work on the ground floor - but leave anything on the upper floor to do later. It's easier to get into the roof cavity, but difficult to do this on the ground floor.
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Jul 12, 2007 12:59 pm
$8k? Wow, that's a lot of lights! Are you trying to rival Las Vegas? LOL JK!
Jet master is the fireplace? I find them too expensive either way (with builder and after builder) but I'd say do it after yourself.
Clarificiation of lighs and house type. PD Bridgeport 385
Jul 12, 2007 1:22 pm
Just wanted to clarify.
I only really upgraded to what is in display minus some lights. Downligts are $100 by PD. The house is a single storey also so access to roof is no issue just how easy is it to go down the walls. I put lights in another house and they cost $30 each for a standard crome downlight and then pay electrician. It seems expensive $8K I would have thought $5k
Also does anyone know about alternatives to Jet Master that are not as expensive.
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Jul 12, 2007 1:30 pm
Stevec - that's still 80 downlights! Are they in every room?
I personally prefer standard batten lights in bedrooms rather than downlights. Cheaper and more light provided. I prefer downlights in kitchen and living areas.
Are they halogen or CFL? Halogen downlights are likely to send your power bill up!
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Jul 12, 2007 1:38 pm
We have just finished building with PD in Wyndham Vale, the Entertainer 44.
We are very happy with the process and the final house with only a few minor hiccups along the way.
We found that the electrical plan that they provided was very expensive and had way too many downlights. We went and discussed it with Beacon Lighting - they were very helpful and drew up a plan. We didn't go for as many downlights which I'm not too keen on anyway but we did get it all done through PD since I think it would be a bigger hassle after handover. We are getting an electrician to put up all the light fittings after we move in.
We also wanted an open fireplace but PD will only do gas so we got them to put in the chimney bit and we are going to have the rest of it done later. We have dealt with Jetmaster before and found them helpful but this time we went to Sneddons in Yarraville. They were really helpful, knowledgable and competintive on price and had the advantage of being a local, family business whick I like.
Are you getting the flooring done through PD? We found them very overpriced and had it done ourselves. Even one of their sales reps told me that their flooring was expensive.
Hope building your house is a great experience!
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Jul 12, 2007 2:28 pm
$8k seems a bit much. I have had entire houses wired up for around $5.5k (not including fittings). Ask them for a price breakdown. Last house I built in 2005, the sparky was charging around $35 per light fitting for wiring and a 12v halogen light fitting was about $15. Also remember that you can get 240v halogen light fittings either on a bar or a plate that have up to four lights. Two of these will light up a large room, so you will only pay for two light points and the light fitting was around $100 from Beacon. Thats a lot cheaper than 8 individual downlights.
As for Jetmasters, they are grossly overpriced and over-rated. They wanted $1200 for a double skinned flue according to their price list. All up their price was around $5200 not including installation. I finished up buying a Cannon Canterbury for $2000 (unmarked shop demo model) and installation was $400 which included the single skin flue. BTW it easily heated our Kitchen-Meals-Living area of 75m2 and would do the rest of the house if we opened up a few internal doors. Worth looking at.
Jul 12, 2007 2:56 pm
Thanks guys for your advice it is much appreicated and without forums like this I would have no idea. I will take Penjay advice and get a quote from Beacon. My electircal plan also included CAT5 internet canling and pay tv points, some additional TV points, junction boxes for outside future lights four outdoor flood lights etc. They gave me the price list and I went through and mapped out what I think is needed after looking at the display. I built a metricon three year ago (But that is another storey I could talk about forever but my anger will get to high again as my stress levels have just returned to normal LOL) and I missed heaps and did have to get an electirican in afterwards.
Inb terms of Jetmaster my partner wants it we have central heating in all rooms so it is to look pretty I believe. A big price to look pretty. I did not put it in last house but quote quoted and it was 5-6k then so paying 7k is ok if that is around the price. Not sure if is though. When I spoke to jetmaster they said I need to brick in a himerly or I would have crappy silver boxing on outside of house.
In terms of floor covering I was going with PD. They had $13K in allowances for Cat1 tiles and CAt2 carpets. It is junk and I think I can get a good quality wooden floating floor and carpets for that price. House is 290m2 in total.
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Jul 12, 2007 3:14 pm
We built with PD and we decided because of how expensive their electrical was - we decided not to go through them. I think we were quoted $60 per downlight and we wanted lots! Our elecrical came in at nealry $4K with them on top of everything else.
We have a friend who is a sparky and is going to get our downlights at cost price and install for us, it will save us a fortune.
We also did our carpets and tiling through other businesses (except wet area's that PD included).
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Jul 12, 2007 3:17 pm
are they charging $100 per downlight now??? Ours were $39 to replace batten point and then $80 per additional. Big increase in a short time!
Built Porter Davis "Dromana" 2007.
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Jul 12, 2007 3:20 pm
I upgraded quite a bit with my electrical layout.
I went with refrigerated cooling, upgraded ducted heating, got them to prewire for alarm, intercom and ducted vacuum and increased the downlights similar to display specs (a bit less) but only went for batton lights which were only $45 per point instead of downlights at $100 per point.
I will install the downlights myself after handover.
I also only installed batton lights downstairs, whilie upstairs I only went for batton lights that were "free", and I am planning to install the rest of my downlights upstairs after handover, as it is still easy to do for the 1st floor.
Currently Building in Bayside (Brighton East)
a fe more points14
Jul 12, 2007 3:40 pm
CAT5 was $100 and downlight is $56 in leui of baton or $97 etxra. Do sparkies have any issues comign down walls and putting downlights on new light switches or converting baton lights to LVDL. I will go to a light shop at the weekend and check out pricing. I like PD but I am tempted to stop the building process and buy an established house as the flooring was a rip off, lighting a rip ooff everything seem overpriced and if I need to do it all myself I may as weel buy one up and fix it as needed.
Does anyway have any thoughts about public transport in Point Cook. I dont drive and was wondering how this was
Re: a fe more points15
Jul 12, 2007 3:42 pm
downlight is $56 in leui of baton or $97 etxra.
wow...that's nasty....was $39/$80 only a few months ago...and that was bad enough!
Built Porter Davis "Dromana" 2007.
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Jul 12, 2007 4:10 pm
Sydney prices seem to be about $100 per downlight - but this is for a CFL downlight - not low voltage halogen (which seem to be ridiculously cheap to buy)
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Jul 12, 2007 6:23 pm
I agree with all of the above
electrical better to prewire only if double storey otherwise leave... but the electrical people mentioned that having a batten at the first downlight point and then placing others to allign esp in areas with roof cavity acces can be tricky as some beams may come in the way requiring one to shift the original batten leaving a hole behind having to plaster and paint later on. Is this a hassle?.
Is this right orjust their selling trick?
we are still debating whether to have m3'kon do the downlights or do them after handover. Hubby has come with a clever idea.. asking them to put in cfl downlights and the guy is making enquiries and will get back...
As with jetmaster.. they are retailing at 6.5K too overpriced they are made in canada..Aussie made are about 2999-3999 ... i believe in Be Australian-buy Australian
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Jul 12, 2007 7:21 pm
I havent decided but connair or rinnai are equally good i.e if u like the looks of the woodlog gasfire..hubby is keen to just go for the jetmaster rather than have the hassle of getting tradies in later on.. The only positive with Metricon's Jetmaster is that their installed price is nearly 1K less than retail price (apparently the fireplace showroom guy cnr springvale and centre road said jetmaster is the rolls-royce of gas fireplaces.. i dont care about that)
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Jul 12, 2007 7:40 pm
Thanks for the info. We are actually having a wood burning fireplace and rinnai only do gas. We've run out of money anyway so won't be putting it in until next winter. Plenty of time to research. I posted earlier that we had been to Sneddons but my husband just told me that they use Jetmaster units anyway. Googled and got Heatmaster - they are Australian made and owned according to their website.
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