Browse Forums Building A New House Re: Your Frame - What to Look out for? 21Apr 20, 2010 5:55 pm I finally got a copy of the Truss layout plan directly from the Truss Manufacturer who I had to source myself ,it only took a phone call. They are yet to send me a copy of the frame layout . I will be having some serious words to my CLO directed at their construction manager. polo my truss plan is similar but not with the colored lines . I am relieved ,alex can go ahead and do a proper inspection. txs a lot Re: Your Frame - What to Look out for? 22Apr 20, 2010 6:46 pm Hi Andy, great news! Just out of interest, can you tell us how did you find out who the truss mfr is? Who knows, this might help someone else (especially if you managed to find another avenue to do this). Hi Jon, was this the PCA inspection (that's the mandatory inspection / certification that usually goes via the builder), or was it an independent inspector that you hired yourself just for this inspection? (my comment about the report will depend on who the inspector was, because then I understand better what was he looking for) My signature is distracting people from my wise posts ... Re: Your Frame - What to Look out for? 23Apr 20, 2010 8:43 pm my SS has been very obliging so far and he gave me the name ,and google did the rest.I have a set of plans called "Articulation Plan " It looks similar to a frame layout plan,but without the numbers.What is a Articulation Plan? Re: Your Frame - What to Look out for? 24Apr 20, 2010 8:49 pm We didn't have a separate Articulation Plan. It's best to see it to be able to figure out what it is, but it might simply be the location of all your articulation joints in the brickwork. If you think that's not it, can you post a pic of it? My signature is distracting people from my wise posts ... Re: Your Frame - What to Look out for? 25Apr 20, 2010 9:32 pm I found this great internet site its called BCA learning guide, dummies guide to building and construction. It explains what articulated joints,trusses ,footing systems etc are. http://toolboxes.flexiblelearning.net.a ... t/home.htm Re: Your Frame - What to Look out for? 26Apr 20, 2010 11:25 pm Great to hear that you finally getting the roof truss plans. I think the articulation joint plan just show where the articulation joint (to allow expansion of the bricks, yes clay bricks expands over time) will be I think normally above the openings e.g windows and doors and if you have a long length wall such as the garage side wall than most likely there is one on that wall also. All the best with the inspection and please let us know how your it went. Re: Your Frame - What to Look out for? 27Apr 21, 2010 12:44 am Lex Hi Andy, great news! Just out of interest, can you tell us how did you find out who the truss mfr is? Who knows, this might help someone else (especially if you managed to find another avenue to do this). Hi Jon, was this the PCA inspection (that's the mandatory inspection / certification that usually goes via the builder), or was it an independent inspector that you hired yourself just for this inspection? (my comment about the report will depend on who the inspector was, because then I understand better what was he looking for) Hi lex, this must be the PCA inspection as we did not hire any independent inspector Re: Your Frame - What to Look out for? 28Apr 21, 2010 8:06 am OK, because your own inspector would usually have a different report format. The PCA would normally do a bare minimum in terms of actual inspection and their report is a fill-in pre-printed form. I don't think not having his name is a particular issue, but still something I would check. You can call their office and make inquiries about this. The PCA is actually paid by you and you have full access to them - they are obliged to talk to you if you need it. As for the accuracy of his inspection - I can't comment on that, as I would need to inspect the house myself ! Do you have any concerns about anything? If you do, put some photos here for comments. If there is an obvious problem, you can hopefully still have it looked at if plastering hasn't started. My signature is distracting people from my wise posts ... Re: Your Frame - What to Look out for? 29Apr 21, 2010 8:49 pm pictures of my frame ,the stud you see doesnt look too good ,should I be concerned ? http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/8480/p1000093f.jpg this wall should have extra noggins ,which I paid $50 for . http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/1396 ... tvwall.jpg the lintel above the garage ( not a good photo) builder says its necessary before the bricks go in as a infill. looks like a piece of cladding is this correct? http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/4182/p1000092uj.jpg Re: Your Frame - What to Look out for? 30Apr 22, 2010 3:16 pm I have been following this thread as my house is going thru this stage. Spoke to the SS and go the Truss layout drawing, and was told that the frame is built based on the design but there are no drawings as such. The house is a single storey. @andy; Frame on my house too has such shortfalls and in cases there are also chips of wood coming out. The Facade support is not put down on the frame at an angle. Am going in for an inspection tomorrow and will be pointing these things out should see how would this go. And am googling the Roof Truss layout legend. Would like to understand what the drawing actually says compared to how they have built this. Naag Re: Your Frame - What to Look out for? 31Apr 22, 2010 8:53 pm 46 fan I was told the same thing re frame layout. The only plans you get are the truss layout which is unique to your house.The frame layout is based on AS section 1684 residential timber framed construction. I took a couple of more photos today ,apiece of slab approx 100 ml had broken off leaving the bottom plate hanging by about 30ml Iam sure this is bad news .Iam sure the max is 10ml ,anyone got any opinions http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/2995 ... ndroom.jpg the photo here shows the top plate with some chips in it http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/386/ ... mcroom.jpg Re: Your Frame - What to Look out for? 32Apr 23, 2010 6:57 am Andy, your first pic is too big and shows just the middle of the problem. Would be better if you have one which shows the ends of the chunk. Either way, the frame overhangs this small section - does it overhang past the edges of this damaged part of slab? Top plate - ideally they should replace it, it should be very easy. My signature is distracting people from my wise posts ... Re: Your Frame - What to Look out for? 34Apr 23, 2010 5:45 pm No problem. Our slab edges were pretty badly damaged too, much worse than yours. They didn't want to fix it. I have no idea how in the end they agreed to put some "mud" over it. Who knows what's going to happen with the patch - probably will fall off My signature is distracting people from my wise posts ... Re: Your Frame - What to Look out for? 35Apr 23, 2010 9:52 pm thats shocking ,isnt the max overhang for the bottom plate supposed to be 10mm ,not 30ml ,even if its only 100ml piece of slab. what was their excuse and are you building with a volume builder? Re: Your Frame - What to Look out for? 36Apr 25, 2010 9:12 pm here is the that photo of my bottom plate overhang http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/1694/p1000098r.jpg is it a concern? is the bottom plate over hang or the top plate overhang a major concern ? somethings i was told to look out for in the frame are if the walls are plumb /square /straight and level top & bottom plates have a tight fit on studs noggins at correct centres and support for fixtures corner blocking &walls tied together jamb studs to all openings consentrated load bearing studs lintels for adequate bearings any excessive notching Re: Your Frame - What to Look out for? 37Apr 26, 2010 11:41 pm I highly recommend you hire your own independent inspector because there are things that looks right turn out not to be. This is taken from my frame inspection report a. It was noted that all walls have NOT been blocked out with a minimum of three blocks and nailed off to connect the walls. Given the height of this dwelling, it should be four blocks based on the 900mm centres requirements of the standard. Plaster cracking will occur to these areas. The blocking must be installed to ALL intersecting walls to the dwelling and more importantly nailed off with a minimum of two framing nails to each surface when the lockup carpenter straightens the walls. It was also noted that a large number of blocks are underside. The standards call for all blocks to be a minimum of 200mm in size. The current undersized blocks will shatter when nailed. I refer the builder to AS 1684.2, section 6.2. It was also noted that several walls are missing the blocking, or the connection. Note the walls that are side by side. These walls are still classed as intersecting / connecting walls and must be connected. b. AS 1684.2-2006 states that when openings in NON-LOADBEARING WALLS over 1200mm occur, both internal and external, a lintel shall be installed and the size of the lintel will be determine by table 23, based on the top plate. All openings over 1200mm will need to be fitted with lintels to comply with the code. Most opening have been completed correctly, however the opening to the master bedroom is over 1200mm and has not been installed. Check your robes whether the opening is over 1200mm if so then it needs a lintel. c. The cutting out of the allowance for the shower base breaches AS 1684.2-2006. Page 60 and 61 of these standard states that the maximum allowance for notching is 25mm. We detected 40mm plus. The timber must be supported by a cleat to add additional support to the stud. d. A number of noggings are missing. All have been marked on the wall or the floor. Note that the walls must have noggings no greater than 1350mm. e. The frame over hang to the garage breaches the BCA and AS 1684.2. The maximum allowance for overhang is 10mm. We were able to detect 30mm to several areas. The installation of a timber under the studs is an acceptable solution to this defect. f. The bracing must extend from the top plate to the bottom plate and be secured every 150mm as per AS 1684.2, page 143 to page 147, table 8.18 2. All steel fixing nails to all windows must be removed. The current installation of fixing nails will result in rust bleeding through the paintwork to the dwelling, several years after handover. AS 2047 calls for a zinc, stainless steel or simular treated products only to be installed. The current steel nails will rust and are unacceptable. The use of galvanised nails is completely acceptable. The nail size must be suited to the installation. Again the current fixing gun installation is unacceptable. Re: Your Frame - What to Look out for? 38Apr 27, 2010 7:36 am I have to say that it was a pleasure reading this report (actual defects on side)! What a difference it makes when you get a proper, comprehensive and to the point report, and with references!! Again, I think there is lots of room for Sydney to start some kind of school for getting its inspectors off their current level (and especially in professional attitude, which comes through highly in this report, imho). Anyway, this has always been a mistery for me - what is a "block" (in point a)? Do you have a pic of it, or the problem? Also, any pic for the point c? My signature is distracting people from my wise posts ... Re: Your Frame - What to Look out for? 39Apr 27, 2010 5:36 pm POLO Iam getting urban property inspections as well to have a look. Great report thats what I want to see or dont see . Iam also learning the jargon as we go it helps. How long did the builder take to rectify whats on the report ? This is 100% true. 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