Browse Forums Building A New House 1 Nov 08, 2009 8:33 pm hi all, ive just had my downlights installed and 5 have been positioned incorrecly. 3 of the 5 were fixed however the remaining two ive been told cant be fixed as where they were suppose to go there is a timber beam in the ceiling. each downlight was suppose to be centered over a sink in both the bathroom and ensuite. both have been positioned off-centre which looks crap as it was suppose to line up with the sink. its been confirmed that yes there are beams in the way in both rooms. i dont understand why electrical plans and framework plans arent cross checked to ensure this sing doesnt happen. anyone got any ideas on what i could do to fix the problem? Re: advice on downlights that are incorrectly located 3Nov 09, 2009 6:37 am Yup, we have the exact same prob but in our entry !! Looks great, doesn't it ? - NOT!! Will worry about it next year - waaaaaay down the list of priorities : Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Built the Eden Brae Cambridge 34 Family with Boston Corner Facade Re: advice on downlights that are incorrectly located 4Nov 09, 2009 1:22 pm Quote: Yup, we have the exact same prob but in our entry !! Looks great, doesn't it ? - NOT!! OMG southies...that is soooooooo bad. and they didnt even fix it. im guessing theres also a beam in the way? i dont understand - they dont cross-reference the frame and electrical plans and how do they get it right in the display homes...you'd think they would be the same plans are EB going to fix it or do you have to do it now? i would not accept that at all. i also noticed in one my my lights that they have hacked into the beam in the ceiling so now i also dont know if ill have structural problems...grrr.....ill have my independant inspector and the PCA check up on this as im worried the ceiling may calapse in the future by creating a weak point in the beam where its been hacked. Re: advice on downlights that are incorrectly located 5Nov 09, 2009 1:32 pm You can notch out a beam to an extent, without affecting the structural integrity of it's designed use. YOur inspector will tell you whether they have hacked out too much. If the beam is in the way, maybe look at surface mounted fittings. There are some nice lights available. As for how they get it right in display homes, maybe they batten the ceilings to give them extra depth, and notch out the beams for where the dl's will sit. Maybe they run another beam and offset the others (therefore reducing the centres of the beams) to allow a space between them to install the downlights. Not really sure, but there is a lot of stuff done to make a display hoome look like a display home. Blog is now up - http://www.jbdave.blogspot.com/ Re: advice on downlights that are incorrectly located 6Nov 09, 2009 2:25 pm I think they use a different beam solution in some display homes that gives you more space between floors and the roof. Its used when you get 9 foot plus ceilings. What I think stinks is they a desgin person should have told you this before tender / contract stage so you can make a decision. Re: advice on downlights that are incorrectly located 7Nov 09, 2009 2:40 pm Quote: I think they use a different beam solution in some display homes that gives you more space between floors and the roof. Its used when you get 9 foot plus ceilings. If that's the case (less deep beams) and they are using suspended ceilings to give you clearance between the underside of the beam and the ceiling, then no doubt they should be telling you that prior to the build. It will cost more however if you wanted to incorporate it into your design. Blog is now up - http://www.jbdave.blogspot.com/ Re: advice on downlights that are incorrectly located 8Nov 09, 2009 3:34 pm Mel_24_ Quote: Yup, we have the exact same prob but in our entry !! Looks great, doesn't it ? - NOT!! OMG southies...that is soooooooo bad. and they didnt even fix it. im guessing theres also a beam in the way? i dont understand - they dont cross-reference the frame and electrical plans and how do they get it right in the display homes...you'd think they would be the same plans are EB going to fix it or do you have to do it now? i would not accept that at all. We reduced the width of the house, so everthing got shifted! They said it was our responsibility. Built the Eden Brae Cambridge 34 Family with Boston Corner Facade Re: advice on downlights that are incorrectly located 9Nov 09, 2009 7:58 pm We have the same issue..the steel beams run down the centre both up and downstairs in in the powder room. Looks like we're going to have off-centre ones too...going to add another row in the halls but not sure what we'll do with the powder room. Must say i was not happy when i found out! Built Liberty 42 - Handover 26th Feb 2010 forum thread: https://forum.homeone.com.au/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=17243 Re: advice on downlights that are incorrectly located 10Nov 09, 2009 8:24 pm My garage light is the same, it is 60cm from center, about 30cms from the wall. It looks really dumb, I got told the same thing that they cant move it, but that is BS. A beam is only 75mm, so it should only be 75mm off center not 600. Re: advice on downlights that are incorrectly located 11Nov 09, 2009 8:55 pm Quote: We reduced the width of the house, so everthing got shifted! They said it was our responsibility. thats crap southies. i also have a problem where clipsal do not use the most up to date plan for the electricals and randomly place lights etc without drawing it up to scale. i physically redraw the plan and placed all the downlights and aircon vents in the correct scaled location as clipsal could not draw it up accurately for me nor did it include the modified kitchen layout. i made customer service stamp my plan as a construction drawing and i wrote on the electrical plan 'refer to clients drawing for downlight and aircon locations' now they have to fix it to my plan! only problem was my plan didnt include switches and their plan didnt include a wall so we now have a switch which is set back 1m from the opening of the room and will be blocked by an 8ft fish tank!. im yet to raise this issue with them. i have a site meeting in the morning. basically ill be saying we said we wanted it in the entrance to the room and as the plan was not accurtate as it was missing a wall, the light has been placed incorrectly. hopefully i can get it moved. fingers crossed. did your lights appear to be centered on the hallway on the plan? is there a beam in the way or is it they scaled off a plan to position the lights? Re: advice on downlights that are incorrectly located 12Nov 10, 2009 6:07 am Mel_24_ did your lights appear to be centered on the hallway on the plan? is there a beam in the way or is it they scaled off a plan to position the lights? Yes they were centred on the plan & yes there is a beam in the way I guess we will just have to install another row opposite to them - down the track. Built the Eden Brae Cambridge 34 Family with Boston Corner Facade Re: advice on downlights that are incorrectly located 13Nov 10, 2009 7:17 am It's a ridiculous shortcoming in the design process - there should be a simple computer application where the electrical plan can be overlaid on the roof truss plan....then these things wouldn't happen. Our bathroom light fitting is a central one. Only....it's been placed to one side of the room - you guessed it, because there's a beam in the way. If we'd been told that at the planning stage, I'd have come up with a different lighting solution for that room. 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