Browse Forums Building A New House Re: Messy Corner Brickwork?? 21Jul 03, 2007 8:19 am Hello aaurora,Without going into a detailed technical discussion there is nothing wrong with your brickwork.In fact the job is neat and tidy.When the brickwork is cleaned (pressure washed)the joints will lighten up a bit more as well and this will hopefully go close to the finish you are after.I think Michelle was right from the start about the quality of the work but the strong attack from some others made her doubt her first impression.Regards Terry Re: Messy Corner Brickwork?? 22Jul 03, 2007 9:18 am ![]() Hello aaurora,Without going into a detailed technical discussion there is nothing wrong with your brickwork.In fact the job is neat and tidy.When the brickwork is cleaned (pressure washed)the joints will lighten up a bit more as well and this will hopefully go close to the finish you are after.I think Michelle was right from the start about the quality of the work but the strong attack from some others made her doubt her first impression.Regards Terry I should get this guy ^ to do my house hey! (He is my 'builder to be':D) Re: Messy Corner Brickwork?? 23Jul 03, 2007 9:27 am Im still waiting for 3xb to tell us how he would build the wall in such a way as to get a straight line of mortar at that junction.
Im ready to be amazed.... Re: Messy Corner Brickwork?? 24Jul 03, 2007 9:36 am Maybe you guys are right. I am only new to the home building experience!! I have no idea ![]() If it is supposed to look like that, thats ok by me, if that is the norm. I had no idea that they washed the bricks, either. Some of the bricks have cracks running down them and with the mortar spilling out a bit, I just thought it looked *******. Sorry if I have caused any animosity ![]() Our Adenbrook home was completed in September. Re: Messy Corner Brickwork?? 25Jul 03, 2007 9:46 am It's something I never though of, but if you have an acute angle brickwork, then the mortar joint must alternate and you get an odd looking effect. I guess nobody thinks about it since acute angle brickwork is relatively rare.
Given that you can't avoid the alternating mortar joints I guess a mortar close to the colour of the bricks would minimise its visual impact. New rule for Casa: If there are acute angled brickworks in a house design, keep the mortar colour close to the brickwork colour. My design has a couple of protrusions along the brickwork, therefore acute angles. I think after seeing this effect that I'll have the protrusions rendered to avoid the whole issue. Now I wonder how the render to brick interface will look... Re: Messy Corner Brickwork?? 26Jul 03, 2007 10:55 am ![]() Hello aaurora,Without going into a detailed technical discussion there is nothing wrong with your brickwork.In fact the job is neat and tidy.When the brickwork is cleaned (pressure washed)the joints will lighten up a bit more as well and this will hopefully go close to the finish you are after.I think Michelle was right from the start about the quality of the work but the strong attack from some others made her doubt her first impression.Regards Terry Hi Terry, I never doubted my opinion at all; I was actually waiting for 3xb to inform me how it could be fixed, though I knew it didn’t need to, Thanks …… The photo with the windows and doors in confirms my original reply. In fact it looks great! The brickies have angled the bricks in an off set formate for the corners, looks really good! Once the mortar is cleaned off, which to me is more of a concern, it will look fantastic! ![]() Internal and External Building and Colour Consultant Online - Worldwide http://www.denovoconcepts.com Re: Messy Corner Brickwork?? 27Jul 03, 2007 6:33 pm Hello Cookiemonster and Casa.In fact it is fairly common to have a straight joint in an internal corner.We often situate movement joints at this point particulary where there is a "jutt out"on the plan (usually used in wet areas to gain the available 450mm by bricking out to the fascia) You put ableflex or similiar against the brickwork and then insert sliding ties every few courses as you erect the wall.These ties allow for movement.The joint is then weatherproofed with a sealant.Maybe the others have seen these straight joints by the sound of things.Of course when an internal corner is bonded in the normal fashion you can't avoid the placement of the joints and I can't see how they detract from the appearance at all but thats just me.Regards Terry. Re: Messy Corner Brickwork?? 28Jul 03, 2007 8:05 pm looking at the pictures both of them i actually thought that it was offset like that on purpose the way they laid it. I don't see a problem with it myself. But that is just me Re: Messy Corner Brickwork?? 30Jul 03, 2007 8:19 pm ![]() Hello Cookiemonster and Casa.In fact it is fairly common to have a straight joint in an internal corner.We often situate movement joints at this point particulary where there is a "jutt out"on the plan (usually used in wet areas to gain the available 450mm by bricking out to the fascia) You put ableflex or similiar against the brickwork and then insert sliding ties every few courses as you erect the wall.These ties allow for movement.The joint is then weatherproofed with a sealant.Maybe the others have seen these straight joints by the sound of things.Of course when an internal corner is bonded in the normal fashion you can't avoid the placement of the joints and I can't see how they detract from the appearance at all but thats just me.Regards Terry. Terry, sorry, didn't see you post until after I wrote the last comment. If you don't mind me asking, what is ableflex? Re: Messy Corner Brickwork?? 31Jul 03, 2007 8:22 pm I think it depends on the brick that is used and the method the bricklayer uses for their joins. Not all homes have this formate used in the photos, but it doesn’t mean it’s wrong!
I actually think it looks more interesting than a boring straight line, gives character to the brickwork. The brick is really nice; I noticed that first thing, and not the shape of some standard bricks. The black mortar will go perfect with the roof colour chosen by aaurora. ![]() Internal and External Building and Colour Consultant Online - Worldwide http://www.denovoconcepts.com Re: Messy Corner Brickwork?? 32Jul 03, 2007 8:56 pm Casa,abelflex is just a brand name for a rubber based material that is used in concreting and bricklaying.It comes in rolls and bricklayers use it in straignt joints left in the brickwork to allow for movement and expansion.It is used in concreting for basically the same reason.If you have a close look at pathways around most newly built houses (in these parts anyway ) you'll see it between the concrete path and the house brickwork.Or in the garage in between the floor slab and the brickwork.Regards Terry. Re: Messy Corner Brickwork?? 34Jul 04, 2007 9:59 am Michelle,
Ok, this is my first posting of a pic so it might not work. I went out into my garden in our rental house last night - it was cold and wet so hope you appreciate this. ![]() ![]() Anyway, the rental we are in was built by the owner using contractors and was clearly done on the cheap. The grouting is clearly messy but the lack of pronounced zig zagging is also clear. Other options are to not interlock the bricks at all but to simply put an expansion joint in, arrange the design to reduce such corners, use a lighter colour mortar, put a window or door flush with the join area and non interlocking bricks with mesh corners laid horizontal with the bricks in the mortar. (Hard to explain) As for what I would do about it, I can't honestly say unless I am in that position but some of the things I would consider are: 1. Ask for a deduction in price from the builder. 2. Get the builder to tear it down and rebuild. Deadlines are one thing but a badly built house is not going to just go away with time. Now if you like the ziz zag effect, you should have simple said so from the start, Personally I don't and I get the feeling that aaurora wasn't too keen either. You seem to have talked her around, but that is not a happy client, that is a placated client. So NO Michelle, I won't take second rate - If I don't like it, I will do something about it. That workmanship looks more like the efforts of a brand new apprentice and should have been picked up by the bricky in charge. Anyway here is my attempt at a pic: Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Re: Messy Corner Brickwork?? 36Jul 04, 2007 10:27 am After all these discussions, is it possible for someone to kindly post a picture of what should a "perfect" corner brick work looks like?
Cheers Allan http://building-our-first-house.blogspot.com/ Re: Messy Corner Brickwork?? 37Jul 04, 2007 10:49 am 3xb, thank you so much for all your input so far ![]() I have emailled the builder with the pictures attached and I will wait to see what they have to say about it. I am perfectly happy with the rest of the brickwork, and I do not know how far back this would set us if we wanted that section torn down. I hate to be picky, but some people think it is fine, and some are not happy. I don't know what to think of it!! Our Adenbrook home was completed in September. Re: Messy Corner Brickwork?? 38Jul 04, 2007 10:53 am ((So NO Michelle, I won't take second rate - If I don't like it, I will do something about it. That workmanship looks more like the efforts of a brand new apprentice and should have been picked up by the bricky in charge.))
NO ONE is asking aaurora or you to take second rate work, 3xb. I HAVE NOT talked arroura into liking her SO CALLED messy brickwork….she simply see’s the only steps she can take from this time forward……rip it down! Obviously not where she is looking to go! I have NEVER said at any point on this forum that people should accept second rate work from ANYONE! I’m quite the opposite, I’m the first one to jump in and make my ANGREY thoughts known to all! The mortar work of your rental is very bad…..I would not accept work like that. AGAIN I say……aurora brickwork does not look bad…….I stand by my thoughts…..and I don’t recall twisting aaurora’s arm to make her think otherwise. Quite truthfully I’m over the messy brickwork, I have said what I think about it, and who am I any way, it’s just an opinion from me. In the end it is up to aaurora and her hubby. Congrats on posting a photo! Internal and External Building and Colour Consultant Online - Worldwide http://www.denovoconcepts.com Re: Messy Corner Brickwork?? 40Jul 04, 2007 11:34 am ![]() NO ONE is asking aaurora or you to take second rate work, 3xb. I HAVE NOT talked arroura into liking her SO CALLED messy brickwork… I have NEVER said at any point on this forum that people should accept second rate work from ANYONE! I don’t recall twisting aaurora’s arm to make her think otherwise. This: "So your resolve here is to knock down the whole wall just to get to the bottom bricks!!! This is going to put you behind substantially, and the mortar is dry by now and well set!" This: "I don’t see that is warrants knocking down the whole wall and walls attached to that area, just because a COUPLE of bricks don’t look right?" This: "at that stage something could have been done about it. " and This: "I think you will be making a hue mistake trying to rectify a SMALL problem." Make me think otherwise. Perhaps it is a matter of interpretation. ![]() ![]() The mortar work of your rental is very bad…..I would not accept work like that. Neither would I if it was being built for me but I am just renting thank goodness. ![]() Quite truthfully I’m over the messy brickwork, I have said what I think about it, and who am I any way, it’s just an opinion from me. I am just reluctantly responding to: This: "3xb…..what do you suggest she does about it?" This: "I was actually waiting for 3xb to inform me how it could be fixed, though I knew it didn’t need to..." and from Cookie Monster: "Im still waiting for 3xb to tell us how he would build the wall in such a way as to get a straight line of mortar at that junction. Im ready to be amazed...." Why do I have to justify my opinions but you don't? ![]() Congrats on posting a photo! Thanks. I'm very proud of it. I'll always remember my first time. ![]() 3 3157 Foid wrap is essential component of energy efficiency and if not installed then alternative solution must be applied subject to building surveyors approval. A good option… 7 3349 ![]() |