Jun 25, 2007 9:52 pm
I am a lurker who have decided to become public!! Thanks to everyone who has contributed so much to this wonderful forum, which has made designing our new home so much easier.
I have a question that I was hoping someone could help me with. We are looking to have a drying cupboard in our laundry (we live in Melbourne!). A friend of mine had one in her family home, and it was just a hall cupboard with a ducted heating vent in the floor, which worked wonderfully. On talking to our builder, they suggested putting a Nobo electric panel heater in the cupboard.
The whole point of having the cupboard was to utilise the heat from the ducted heater to dry the clothes, in a single place so that we don't have washing from one end of the house to the other (which is what we currently have) and so we can avoid using a clothes dryer. We would prefer not to install another heater in the cupboard.
I am very keen to hear other people's thoughts as to whether there is a problem with directing a ducted heating outlet directly into a cupboard.
Re: Drying Cupboard2
Jun 25, 2007 10:41 pm
I am quite interested in the topic, but forgive me, I couldn't visually work out how it actually works.
Specially the ducted heater part, is that a heater for the house or for other purpose? Wouldn't it be a security hazard to pipe the heat into the cupboard??
Would you mind post a few photos/drawings of your friend's system, or kindly provide a little bit more info? Thanks!
Re: Drying Cupboard3
Jun 25, 2007 10:53 pm
Briefly, a few comments.....
Introducing warm air does not dry clothes unless there is positive evacuation of the moisture laden air. You need to be vary careful to design what you're proposing, so that you don't create some real problems. (fire risk, mould etc)
One way might be to have a small sealed room and have a commercial dehumidifier and fans in it. This is getting a bit carried away, and I don't think it is warranted. A good dehumidifier will cost around $4000>.
My suggestion..... get a Kleenmaid dryer, http://www.kleenmaid.com.au/products.asp?pageID=5&cat=7 and have it vented directly to the outdoors. They have large capacity are very efficient.
Re: Drying Cupboard6
Jun 26, 2007 1:26 pm
My house design has a drying cupboard in it.
The plan is to have a 600 mm wide drying cupboard and a 1200 mm wide laundry cupboard. The laundy cupboard will include a washing machine, dryer (above washing machine) and basin. The drying cupboard will contain two rows of rails.
The idea is to put stuff for ironing (shirts , pants, etc) onto coat hangers and hang them on the rails. I'm not planning to heat the drying cupboard but rather provide vents at the bottom and top for air circulation. If need be some low power fans will help with the air circulation. This should ensure that the humidifed air is replaced with normal air. This is a low energy solution.
I wouldn't want to use a heater since it requires a lot more energy and you stil need to provide vents to the outside. The driver for the air circulation would be the heater (hot air rises and is expelled at the top vent to be replaced with noraml air from the lower vent. The warmed air can also hold more moisture so it would be better than ambient temperatuire air, but at a high energy cost.
Re: Drying Cupboard7
Jun 26, 2007 1:31 pm
I've seen it done, and it can be very effective to have a drying cupboard.
These things are often included in ski resorts etc.
As someone else said, you need to have some venting so the warm humid air can escape, and be replaced by warm dry air.
When designing our home, we thought about putting a ducted heating vent in the laundry to achieve the same thing, along with an exhaust vent. The whole laundry becomes your drying area.
Re: Drying Cupboard8
Jun 26, 2007 1:43 pm
Just did a web search and came up with these drying cupboard:
http://www.geautomatic.co.uk/dryingcabi ... index.html
Good for some ideas, but I would just build it from scratch.
Re: Drying Cupboard9
Jun 26, 2007 1:43 pm
I've not seen it done here but in th UK, they usually have the hot water tank in the cupboard and some shelves above it. Waste heat that leaks from the HWS tank warms things nicely and consistently. It also provides a place to put the tank. The cupboard usually has slats so the air can flow in and out of the cupboard.
Then again, in Perth we used to hang our washing out on the line and bring it back in again 30 minutes later bone dry.
Re: Drying Cupboard11
Jun 26, 2007 2:25 pm
Thank you everyone for your responses!
Our 'concept' is similar to what Casa2 spoke about. Yes - we will also have a clothes line, but if you live in Melbounre, you will undertand that there are many cold days without sun, and a heater on. The idea was to utilise heat that is already being produced in the house, instead of installing another one (like a clothes dryer or additional heater).
As many of you have mentioned, we too are concerned about appropriate ventilation for such an idea. We think that we may just go to our original idea, like perryr suggested, and make our laundry a little bit bigger to accommodate some clothes horses and hanging rails and have a ducted heating outlet into the laundry - probably a more cost effective option.
Thanks again - appreciate your thoughts and comments!
Re: Drying Cupboard12
Jun 26, 2007 2:52 pm
Probably not much use in a new home because of lower ceilings but in our California bungalow we've got a rack on a pulley above the gas heater in the dining/kitchen room. It dries things very well with the heat that rises and it saves having clothes horses spread around the room.
Re: Drying Cupboard13
Sep 09, 2011 9:54 pm
Perfect timing with this topic. I'm building a new house and have framed up a drying cupboard approx 600 wide and about 1 meter deep. Not 100% sure what to do yet about heating but am looking into it.
I have ducted heating under the floor so maybe use this. My question is should my top of drying cupboard ventilation/exhaust be directed into the roof space ??? or should it be directed back into the the laundry? therefore it will make it's way bck to the return air duct.
Re: Drying Cupboard14
Sep 10, 2011 12:35 am
ahhh we cant really claim to have the cheap solution here...but we are going for hydronic floor coil heating, and as such will have the headers coming up in our laundry. Our plan is to encase the unit in a shallow cupboard and use it as our clothes line in winter.
Re: Drying Cupboard15
Sep 10, 2011 12:04 pm
I am having a central heating vent installed in the laundry (ceiling vent) and plan to have some sort of
clothes line installed directly below. Hoping to find one that will fold down against the wall whilst not in
use. Our laundry faces west and has a glass slider so hoping it will also get the any sun that comes in.
We too live in Vic so know that there are many days when it is just not worth hanging the washing
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Re: Drying Cupboard17
Dec 18, 2011 8:19 pm
Bringing this topic back to life... currently designing our own home in Ballarat, VIC. Those of you who know Victoria, may well know that Ballarat is known for being one of the coldest, wettest areas ! We rarely are able to hang clothes outside, and use a clothes horse & the dryer quite frequently, as well as our ducted heating... infact, most houses here dont have aircon, but ALL have ducted heating (which we thought strange, until we had lived here for 12months!)..
ANYWAY, to the point. I have done a little research, and see that there is two options.
- ducted heating point into a cabinet (issues with moisture?)
- hydronic/dehumidifying/bar heater with vents
My partner remembers having one of these when he was a kid in NZ, but I have never seen one... so i'm after some more info, as well as peoples opinions on which style works best? Because it is quite moist here anyway, my concerns are with mould I guess. Would it be best to just have an open cupboard (no doors) and just have one vent into the laundry so I can shut the door and use the whole room as a drying room? (with external ventilation via either a window or exhaust fan) OR should we go down the path of making a proper drying cupboard, with one of the above methods...
Interested to hear from people who have incorporated these into their floor designs in the past....
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