Browse Forums Building A New House 1 Aug 19, 2009 10:31 pm I noticed that the Eastern states people seem to paint the internal walls differently to us in WA (they spray rather than brush/roller).
Does anyone know why we don't spray paint the walls in WA? Re: Internal Painting - WA 2Aug 19, 2009 11:05 pm Spraying sound slike a nicer finish. I'd like to know the answer too! *Built with Gemmill Homes in WA* Slab - 1st June 2009 Plate Height - 17th June 2009 Lock Up - 18th August 2009 PCI - 5th October 2009 Hand Over - 15th Oct 2009 https://forum.homeone.com.au/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=20844 Re: Internal Painting - WA 3Aug 19, 2009 11:12 pm We are in SA and our painter is in at the moment. He sprayed the ceiling but is using a roller for the walls. Our custom build with Rossdale http://hazehome.blogspot.com/ https://forum.homeone.com.au/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=17630 Re: Internal Painting - WA 4Aug 20, 2009 8:51 am We are in wa. Im pretty sure the painters here sprayed the ceilings and they definitely sprayed when they did the doors so probably they probably sprayed doorframes as well. Re: Internal Painting - WA 5Aug 20, 2009 9:07 am A friend of mine who was warned by her builders not to accept spraypainting from painters as good old-fashioned manual painting is much better..spraypainting apparently chips easily but some painters do it cos it's much quicker to finish. So i suppose we people in WA are in a better place Building in Beeliar, moving in on 28th August One of those unlucky few who missed FHOG 21k grant by less than 24hrs...grrrrhhhh Re: Internal Painting - WA 6Aug 20, 2009 10:47 am kexkez - not sure about the door frames and such. Was really interested about the walls. I noticed that in the painting photos of those building over east, they drop sheet EVERYTHING and spray. It seems much quicker. Just looking to reduce the timeframe to move in. Still excited before even the first brick is laid and pondering where everything will go in the new house. Re: Internal Painting - WA v eastern states 7Aug 20, 2009 11:38 am dragon I didn't think there were that many builders here who do walls? perhaps if you are willing to pay I guess they might. Re: Internal Painting - WA v eastern states 8Aug 20, 2009 11:45 am It could also have something to do with brick walls v plasterboard or gyprock walls. Our ceilings are generally sprayed here in WA and also our doors but maybe because the plaster is trowelled on by hand if you sprayed you would see all the lumps and bumps more. There walls have no room for lumps and bumps except for where the joins are. This is all just from observation so I culd be completely off track Re: Internal Painting - WA v eastern states 9Aug 20, 2009 12:12 pm good Q!, if theres lumps and bumps in your plaster you'd want to question the quality of the workmanship, my guess would be along the lines of speed as well.. is there a difference over east between builders? i.e. first home buyer builders compared to the larger more lavish project builders?? my guess would be the cheaper builds would spray and more expensive builds would roll. Aussie Alfresco Ultimate Bertram, WA Homebuyers Centre WEEK 21 - Practical Completion (Scheduled) My Build Thread - https://forum.homeone.com.au/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=21383&p=278506#p278506 Re: Internal Painting - WA v eastern states 10Aug 20, 2009 1:19 pm Absolutely you would question any lumps and bumps, you are right there and I think it is cost thing also. Unfortunately the lumps and bumps don't appear untill you do start painting and generally thats after handover and usually during the evenings when you have glancing light. So its hard to tell when you are doing a prehandover inspection during the day with unpainted walls. Thats why it always best to do an inspection during dusk as you have a bit of day and night as different light picks up different imperfections. As a personal preference I like my walls rolled. As the painters come in at the end here I would think that the overspray may be of some concern aswell. I think its a different order of trades also. Re: Internal Painting - WA v eastern states 11Aug 20, 2009 3:54 pm kexkez dragon I didn't think there were that many builders here who do walls? perhaps if you are willing to pay I guess they might. Yeah we don't get walls done with ours. Something about having to wait 8 weeks or something for them to do something lol. So that will be an after job. Re: Internal Painting - WA v eastern states 12Aug 20, 2009 8:23 pm In general all professional painters use spray guns, east and western states, Some things are better sprayed then others for instance ceilings are better sprayed finish, as it allows for a smoother flatter finish and its harder to get fan lines from the spray gun as ceiling flat has no sheen to it. Plasterboard sealer is also best sprayed,(this is usually your first coat) its designed to stick to plasterboard and create a surface for the low sheen (wall colour) to stick to,It is better sprayed as if its rolled it will create quite alot of stipple on the wall surface. You will find that in cheaper homes such as project homes (volume builders) painters will spray quite abit, in general atleast the first two coats on the walls are generally sprayed ,ceilings and cupboards are sprayed also, sum also spray finish woodwork but in the industry this is still questionable as oil based paints tend to "float" in mid air and land on surfaces creating poor finishs, this is sometimes considered a ********, leading paint companies are still trying to perfect water based enamals that can be spray finished to a good result. In general the higher quality of finish is determined via the money that is being payed and the job in question, this becomes difficult for the consumer as its hard to tell if someone is just over charging or is giving you a higher quality of work. Generally though as a rule in higher quality jobs only the sealer would be sprayed onto the walls and a further 2 coats of quite expensive acrylic would be done by hand, the sealer coat after applied would be hand sand with paddles to even the walls, also an inspection with a bright light would be carried out for any minor plaster imperfections and patched/sanded and re-primed accordingly before the final two coats would be applied. I could go into quite some detail as it gets quite complex and will end it here. cheers. Re: Internal Painting - WA v eastern states 13Aug 20, 2009 8:56 pm Hi Swarvy, is it true that here in the west you should wait up to six months before painting on brick and plaster walls and why is this so? Someone else mentioned here we should wait at least 8 weeks. What is the best wait time? Re: Internal Painting - WA v eastern states 14Aug 20, 2009 10:23 pm Thanks Swarvy. So I should be thankful that most painters I have seen do it the manual way. Kexkez - we got our builder to quote the painting for us but they would only do 2 colours max and also they only put on two coats. The sealer was acrylic undercoat and tinted to wall colour thus called the first coat, then another topcoat. I would prefer to seal, then do two proper coats. Re: Internal Painting - WA v eastern states 15Aug 20, 2009 10:36 pm Gweluphome - the wait time is to do with everything settling and moving, eg the settling of the concrete, the bricks, the cornices and so on. Cornices in particular being very prone to movement in the first 6 months or so. We did all the painting pre-handover (despite advice from everyone to the contrary). There was a fair amount of patch up work which we could have avoided if we had waited. Also, the sanders of our boards werent especially careful with the walls, ditto the ducted vac installers, skirtings guy etc etc. There seemed to be very much the attitude of "if i am not responsible for fixing it, i don't have to take the same care as i would if i were responsible to fix it" - unfortunate but true. Re: Internal Painting - WA v eastern states 16Aug 21, 2009 3:41 pm Personally i'd advise people not to paint there own homes, the reason is not because you might do it wrong or may not be quite as nice but because painters generally carry out the final inspection (before paint )on the home, generally speaking when a builder issues a contract to a painter to paint the home the painter then becomes liable for incorrect carpentry fix outs/ plaster setting/sanding, faulted doors /doors not hung correctly etc , dont get me wrong these trades are still liable for any faults in there work but if the painter proceeds to paint then in general he's accepting the base work provided. A homeowner doing there own paint work would not know what to look for. Its also a case of thinking its easier then it really is. As with painting a home manually, the best results achieved by a combination of spraying and manual work,an experianced painter will take to good parts of both and combine them for the best finish....as per scope of works (contractually obligated and financially possible). I'am actually in queensland but I am guessing the wait time would be caused by the brick morter having to set correctly. Movment will occur anyway in general in the first couple of years, usually most noticeable in internal cornice cracking as the plaster is brittle there ,the walls have a higher tolerance for it. Becster no other trades are generally careful with the paint work,the builders we contract with when we paint the home , generally paint the entire home first....then the other trades come in and do there work, then we return and repair any damage, it is not uncommon for us to return a number of times to repair other trades damage. This is where the benifet of having the builder carry out all flooring etc and why they cost alittle more, because they also bring the other trades back to repair anything damaged by flooring guys etc. Re: Internal Painting - WA v eastern states 17Aug 21, 2009 11:09 pm the wait time in the west is to allow the plaster time to completely dry. depending on when your roof/plaster went on. they suggest best to leave 4-6 months. less time in summer of course. we figured our roof was on by december ...plaster was complete on feb 17th and we started painting mid june. so barely 4 months but last time it took us years to paint so we wanted to get it started straight away this time. Our S>S> is getting the painters back in to redo the main living area ceiling and do a 2en't heard form him yet. we did our own walls ( hmm are doing i should say) we've used a oil based sealer first before 2 coats of colour. Thanks. Yeh ideally that would have been good, but have progressed too far now. 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