Browse Forums Building A New House 1 Aug 10, 2009 2:28 pm I started this thread in the kitchen section....and I need a lot of help before we meet with the SS tomorrow morning. viewtopic.php?f=16&t=21850&start=0 We're buiding the PD Brookvale. Kitchen is located in the middle of the house and fumes have about 5 metres to travel. How can the fumes be vented appropriately so that they go straight out to the magpie vent that was put in for the fumes? Our building journey has begun: https://forum.homeone.com.au/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=23138 Brookvale 45 by Porter Davis ************** Lead me not into temptation.....I can find the way myself. Re: Need help urgently - rangehood venting in a double storey h 2Aug 10, 2009 3:34 pm hello overwhelmed we are about to finish our brookvale and i am still yet to know where the kitchen vent evenutally lead to because i knew it is definitely not through between the floor. we had Pre completion inspection the other day, i raised the question, the ss said he will look into it. i suspect what they did is leave that shiny duct into the roof space and stopped there. (i saw before plastering that that's where the duct lead to0 what stage r u and where abouts r u building? nh Re: Need help urgently - rangehood venting in a double storey h 3Aug 10, 2009 3:45 pm Hi Nh we're almost at lock up stage. So, we can still see the frames ....our heating/cooling ducts and piping is all in. If the venting for the rangehood isn't done now...then I don't think it will get done at all. They put a little vent in the wall between the pantry and window....but haven't done any ducting at all to connect that vent and the kitchen. So I'm worried. Where are you building nh? Our building journey has begun: https://forum.homeone.com.au/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=23138 Brookvale 45 by Porter Davis ************** Lead me not into temptation.....I can find the way myself. Re: Need help urgently - rangehood venting in a double storey h 4Aug 10, 2009 3:45 pm Hi Nh we're almost at lock up stage. So, we can still see the frames ....our heating/cooling ducts and piping is all in. If the venting for the rangehood isn't done now...then I don't think it will get done at all. They put a little vent in the wall between the pantry and window....but haven't done any ducting at all to connect that vent and the kitchen. So I'm worried. Where are you building nh? Our building journey has begun: https://forum.homeone.com.au/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=23138 Brookvale 45 by Porter Davis ************** Lead me not into temptation.....I can find the way myself. Re: Need help urgently - rangehood venting in a double storey h 5Aug 10, 2009 3:52 pm hey there we r building in north, for ours, they didn't do anything at lockkup, all i could see is that there is a smaller vent lead from the kitchen through the void into second floor, then through that big void (next to the second floor entertainment unit area) into the roof space - that's where i saw last time. plastered since then. i knew there wasn't anywhere between the ceiling and floor that could lead to external duct, eg: the duct won't be there through ground floor ceiling leading to outside next to the pantry window - because with all the floor joist and walls, it can't be there. where abouts r u building? nh Re: Need help urgently - rangehood venting in a double storey h 6Aug 10, 2009 3:58 pm nh hey there we r building in north, for ours, they didn't do anything at lockkup, all i could see is that there is a smaller vent lead from the kitchen through the void into second floor, then through that big void (next to the second floor entertainment unit area) into the roof space - that's where i saw last time. plastered since then. i knew there wasn't anywhere between the ceiling and floor that could lead to external duct, eg: the duct won't be there through ground floor ceiling leading to outside next to the pantry window - because with all the floor joist and walls, it can't be there. where abouts r u building? nh we're building in the west....Taylor's Hill. We're meeting Big Kev and SS tomorrow morning for our pre-plaster inspection...so I really wanted to find out what's the norm in the building industry for exhaust venting so that I know how to tackle this issue tomorrow. Do you have a building blog nh? I have been sooo busy.....but I will start one tonight. We have a kazillion photos!!! hehehehe Our building journey has begun: https://forum.homeone.com.au/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=23138 Brookvale 45 by Porter Davis ************** Lead me not into temptation.....I can find the way myself. Re: Need help urgently - rangehood venting in a double storey h 7Aug 10, 2009 4:10 pm hey overwhelmed i don't have a blog, though i started a thread, have some photos, don't know how to link it, but if you search for "building a PD brookvale", you should be able to locate my thread. (i'm not very good at keepign it up) it's great that you have Big Kev, ask him about it. at plastering stage, i expressed my concern to the SS, he said not to worry, they will connect somethig from the roof to make sure it vents outside. but i have not seen anything for that vent in the roof, at PCI i asked again he said he will check. make sure they do it because it is important. if they tell u it's in the ceiling, tell them it can't be (as you know the maze of the joists). strangely, we have something like a vent putting on to the brickwork recently (above the pantry window), when i asked the ss, he said it's for moist to vent out - for between ground floor ceiling and second floor ) let us knwo what kev says about this. is there any legal base that they have to duct externally? nh Re: Need help urgently - rangehood venting in a double storey h 8Aug 10, 2009 5:22 pm Hi, We are just about to go to the construction stage, so I have no actual experience, but our downstairs toilet will be externally exhauasted through a vent in between the floors, while the rangehood will be vented into our garage roof space. Apparently it is perfectly safe for this to occur. Here's hoping. Let us know what you find out. Blog:http://tamdaz-themajestic.blogspot.com The Majestic - Henley - Adelaide Thread:https://forum.homeone.com.au/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=20635 Day 200 23-4-10 Re: Need help urgently - rangehood venting in a double storey h 9Aug 10, 2009 7:53 pm there should be plenty of room in the void to take the fumes out to an external vent. I only have 3m to travel and next to nothing to make sure it was there. ’’Quondo Omni Flunkus Mortati ’’ If the women don't find you handsome, they should at least find you handy. Stila BK1 Build Thread The best place to talk about sport Re: Need help urgently - rangehood venting in a double storey h 10Aug 10, 2009 9:03 pm I'm interested to know what Kevin will say about this tomorrow as well. I remember that when we were at tender, we were told that it couldn't be vented to the ceiling as it was a double storey and there was no straight out passage....ok...that's fair enough. So they told us that it is normally vented out between ceiling and floor of both storeys. I took that to mean that there would be a passage created specifically for the fumes to travel out through...not just vented into the cavity and have a magpie vent on the brick work so that if the fumes happen to find their way out there...then they can get out. ok....how can it be done? the plastic pvc pipes? or the same collapsible silver tubing that the cooling/heating uses?? anyone got any photos to share? Our building journey has begun: https://forum.homeone.com.au/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=23138 Brookvale 45 by Porter Davis ************** Lead me not into temptation.....I can find the way myself. Re: Need help urgently - rangehood venting in a double storey h 11Aug 10, 2009 9:37 pm hi overwhelmed, mine one that i think is the one is the smaller sized collapsible silver tubing leading to the roof space at the moment. i was thinking a pvc one through the ceiling and leading to the pantry ceiling adn out, but during construction that wasn't in sight at all, - no provision for this in the ceiling joists either. nh Re: Need help urgently - rangehood venting in a double storey h 13Aug 12, 2009 10:21 am nh hi, overwhelmed, just wondering how did u go yesterday about this issue? hope everything is alright adn your ss is accormmodating. let us know nh When I talked to my SS at handover (March), they said that regulations required all new builds (not sure what date is considered new), must be vented to the outside. Re: Need help urgently - rangehood venting in a double storey h 14Aug 12, 2009 10:38 am hi, joeygbh thanks for that information, our one is surely new builds , so they should, isn't it? as u know, i am building a brookvale, would be insterested to know how yours is ducted outside, is it through the roof or between the ceiling and floors? love to hear from you - brookvale fans nh Re: Need help urgently - rangehood venting in a double storey h 15Aug 12, 2009 10:48 am nh hi, joeygbh thanks for that information, our one is surely new builds , so they should, isn't it? as u know, i am building a brookvale, would be insterested to know how yours is ducted outside, is it through the roof or between the ceiling and floors? love to hear from you - brookvale fans nh Ours is considered an old build (probably 1st or 2nd one built ever), and so I'm not even sure where it goes. I asked the SS and he had a look, but couldn't find the vent. I haven't had time to look at it myself, and when cooking, I can't really tell because those with the void design will know that the smell from kitchen goes easily every where... I believe it goes through the ducted vent area (near rear bedrooms) to the roof space but not completely outside. Re: Need help urgently - rangehood venting in a double storey h 16Aug 12, 2009 11:02 am joey i can't believe yours is considered an old build? how they logically make it plausible did u mean, your brookvale is 1st or 2nd being built by PD? sowe are all scapegoats? no wonder they forgot to put a waste pipe in for mine for a start?! mine handover 25th, so hoepfully they get things donw before that nh Re: Need help urgently - rangehood venting in a double storey h 17Aug 12, 2009 11:09 am Our SS wasn't at the inspection yesterday as something came up. And Big Kev was double booked, so he sent his side kick George who works for him. Very thorough guy. The bad news for us is that it wasn't in our tender or our construction drawings to provide for a flue vented exhaust system. PD just vent into the cavity between the floors as norm. And the same for the self sealing exhaust fan in the master ensuite apparently. It just gets vented into the ceiling space. That was what SS relayed to us on the phone and George wasn't too happy about that. He said that it should be vented out but the bad thing is...there isn't a law that says those should be flued. Nevertheless, he will still put it in his report advising that it should be done. Our bad luck is that we don't have a direct path to flue to the outside. The only way to do it now would be to build a bulkhead in the master ensuite that would enable this...but we have a tiber shower dumper that sort of blocking it. So the dumper might have to be shifted slightly. So it's a bit tricky as it involves quite a few tradies. We're obviously very upset about this but then angry that we hadn't found all this out at tender or contract and it seems too late to raise a PCV at this late stage without delaying a lot of things. We will try though. Please let me know how you go. Do you know if your master ensuite exhaust system is vented out? or is all that nice moist steamy air free to roam as well? George that it is a recipe for disaster as all that condensation will just get trapped in there and before long, the ceiling would start to warp and have mould problems. I'm worried and I don't know where to turn at this stage. Our building journey has begun: https://forum.homeone.com.au/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=23138 Brookvale 45 by Porter Davis ************** Lead me not into temptation.....I can find the way myself. Re: Need help urgently - rangehood venting in a double storey h 18Aug 12, 2009 11:41 am hi, overwhelmed i feel for you. as i am of the view it should all be vented outside, you might try adn call vcat or something so thay they can lead you so someone who knows this law. lots of people say it is illegal for a double storey to vent the fume in between roof space, so check it out. we put ours in the tender (i think), so hopefully that will give them some obligation to implement it. i do not know whether my master ensuite fans are just a decoration - not externally ducted - i will check this out today or tomorrow, there is something like a vent (external tin plate - a small square kind of) beign put in externally on the brick - externa wall on that master ensuite shower wall), but not sure that's for that. the ss told us that's for vent the ground floor ceiling, but didn't spbecifically say that's for master ensuite shower fan. i would think this shouldn't be too hard for you to do - measure where the fan is and distance towards the external wall, then knock a external brickk off and put some sort of vent there so to lead the moist out. (i am pretty sure that's how they put mine there) how do you think keep us posted nh Re: Need help urgently - rangehood venting in a double storey h 20Aug 12, 2009 11:51 am Hi nh plastering hasn't started yet. It's due to start next week. Technically they can still make it happen if they are willing to. Technically!!! But the willingness is the issue here. If we can find out that it's against regulations....then we can make them do it. If it is just our preference...or our misconception that it was going to get flued outside...then it's an issue. Oh..nh...I printed off the blanco installation manual for the rangehood...we're getting the SS canopy one.....and it says that pvc piping is not recommended. Do you have any pics of how yours was done? Our building journey has begun: https://forum.homeone.com.au/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=23138 Brookvale 45 by Porter Davis ************** Lead me not into temptation.....I can find the way myself. 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