Browse Forums Building A New House Re: ICF? 2Jul 14, 2009 10:21 pm i am, theres a couple of us on here that support the idea. unfortunately most don't like it; or just build with bricks again with everything ICF has its advantages for insulation+sound+solid but its not very eco friendly and not cost effective considering the price of concrete and steel; theres a couple of forums and plenty of sites around to support the idea's of it. most homes are owner built and all the big builders ive talked to don't want to know about it feel free to pm me any questions you have, and also welcome to the forum. -Nathan 2nd-Fix | Blog Building with Desyn Homes previously with the insolvent [url=https://www.facebook.com/7NewsAdelaide/videos/1162546323776021/]Endeavour Homes[/url] Re: ICF? 4Jul 14, 2009 11:21 pm rooster which product is best? well from my research theres: zego: uses an expensive bracing system that doubles as a scaffold, lots of information on their website. owner builders love the stuff. plenty of sizes to choose from thermacell: seams to be victoria only? doesn't use expensive bracing system, but it useless setting up without it, wind blows the blocks around something chronic for the first 2 layers.. has an inventive lintel block system, again lots of choice, website claims thats they are the best and never have blow outs! formcraft: uses plastic ties to hold the blocks together = more man power on the day to setup as each block needs to be 'constructed' before its placed.., they have a cool corner block which does look stronger than cutting each one. they have a roof and ceiling system which is also quite cool. eco-block: same as formcraft uses plastic dividers to connect each side of the block together, originally from the US and all the measurements are in imperial lots of information on the net about this product - help guides and the like. still weighing up between zego and thermacell myself, both have shown lots of detailed information and it appears that they are both australian made and owned; which is important to me. -Nathan 2nd-Fix | Blog Building with Desyn Homes previously with the insolvent [url=https://www.facebook.com/7NewsAdelaide/videos/1162546323776021/]Endeavour Homes[/url] Re: ICF? 5Jul 15, 2009 7:38 am Thanks Nathen, im in the formcraft corner there benefits far outway the others, there australian made, solid core concrete, there connection points interenally and externally are terrific, the blocks are double the size of the others and it seems to be reasonbly priced for what you get. Re: ICF? 6Jul 15, 2009 9:17 am whereabouts are you building? and are you going owner builder? 2nd-Fix | Blog Building with Desyn Homes previously with the insolvent [url=https://www.facebook.com/7NewsAdelaide/videos/1162546323776021/]Endeavour Homes[/url] Re: ICF? 8Jul 16, 2009 10:05 pm rooster a builder and will be building my own home so i take it youve built a couple of houses out of it already? id hate to think you would use your place a test? and i think youll find that its a common, that pour day is vital. concrete consistency, too wet = blowout, too dry = gaps+blockages correct rebar size, if it says 12 dont use 16 unless you have to! many hands make light work, have plenty of people tapping down the sides of the walls to check to see if the concrete has gone all the way down flow rate on concrete, dont be impatient, and dont let the truckie push you prepare for blowouts, wood bracing ready etc.. thats pretty much what ive heard from the 3x builders ive spoken to 2nd-Fix | Blog Building with Desyn Homes previously with the insolvent [url=https://www.facebook.com/7NewsAdelaide/videos/1162546323776021/]Endeavour Homes[/url] Re: ICF? 9Jul 22, 2009 1:37 am managed to find some pictures regarding what can go wrong: this is what happens when you get a too dry mix: P3210013.JPG looking into the cavity from the top: P3210029.JPG and a nasty blowout: P3210021.JPG P3210022.JPG hope this helps Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ 2nd-Fix | Blog Building with Desyn Homes previously with the insolvent [url=https://www.facebook.com/7NewsAdelaide/videos/1162546323776021/]Endeavour Homes[/url] Re: ICF? 10Jul 22, 2009 4:39 pm Hi Rooster, I’ve built a Zego house in Melbourne. You can check out my blog of my journey so far (via my profile page). What Nathan says is spot on… I’ve found that volume builders won’t even go near the stuff and most tradies are also reluctant to work on it as well. I suppose they prefer their tried and tested bricks and mortar. It may be a pain when starting out but I can assure you that the end results are more than worthwhile. Nathan, Wow! You sure have done your research with ICF. I’ve never even seen pictures of what things can go wrong… lucky for me I didn’t experience any of them on my house. Cheers, R. Re: ICF? 11Jul 22, 2009 8:34 pm yeah rlay your house has turned out really well, and i kno keep saying buts its a massive build and i would be proud if i had anywhere near as much space as you do! love the underhouse carpark 2nd-Fix | Blog Building with Desyn Homes previously with the insolvent [url=https://www.facebook.com/7NewsAdelaide/videos/1162546323776021/]Endeavour Homes[/url] Re: ICF? 12Jul 23, 2009 7:06 am Thanks for a look at those photos Nathen, it goes to show that if you dont prop out thoroughly in vulnerable spots these are the things that can wrong, but done properly an icf home is far better no doubt.It will probably get 15-20% more on the resale benig a sustainable building as well.On Formcraft i have researched them all and built a few and find that there total building sytsem is best. Re: ICF? 14Mar 28, 2010 4:56 pm hmmm after reading the threads and posts on ICF, the girl and i are off to zego and formcraft down in adelaide tomorrow. i hear they are cheaper, but dont believe this and am guessing it will be the same cost to build a 40 sqm house out of icf as it would be to do it out of timber and brick etc. with any luck im way off the mark and there is substantial savings. cant see that tho, otherwise everyone would be doing it (?) anyway, we'll find out everything tomorrow hopefully Re: ICF? 15Mar 29, 2010 7:53 am theoneandonly: From my experience it is definately not cheaper! I think you'd find the price to be somewhere between brick veneer and double brick. Some big ticket items that would bump up the prices: you'd need to fully render the house, double glazing is a must! But what would end up with is a house far more superior in every aspect compared to a brick house. 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