Browse Forums Building A New House 1 Apr 23, 2009 6:39 pm Have our tender appointment tomorrow.. and received the phone call today (4.30 pm) from the builder advising few costs we should be aware of (so that we don't get a heart attack during the meeting) 1. Colorbond roof : 9000 (for 36 sq house) 2. OHS (safety rail to install colorbond roof) : 1800 3. Rock Removal : 9000 (both my neighbors (left and right) did not see a single rock during their construction.. and i feel there should be no rock that would require 9K + 2K) 4. Builders margin for associated rock cost... : 2000 5. Earth work required for building platform : 2000 6. H Class slab : 4000 How will we sleep tonight !! Any thoughts/ comments. Cheers Re: Shocker before the tender appointment 2Apr 23, 2009 6:52 pm Sorry to say, but those costs are all about right... I disagree with the colourbond roof, but what can you do... Rock removal will more than likely be a provisional sum... Look at it this way, at least they are being upfront with you! Electrical Engineer... Don't hold that against me... And keen owner builder... Mainly the building part!! Re: Shocker before the tender appointment 4Apr 23, 2009 7:51 pm Hi, The slab and earth work seem about right. The rock removal should only be a provision - so it is a bit hard to say whether that is normal (I guess better to be pessimistic rather than optmisitic ). That colorbond roof is mighty expensive - We only paid $5000 to ugrade to colorbond on a 51sq house! There seems to be large varation between builders when it comes to colorbond..... Regards, hills_builder Re: Shocker before the tender appointment 5Apr 23, 2009 7:54 pm chuth77 Sorry to say, but those costs are all about right... I disagree with the colourbond roof, but what can you do... Rock removal will more than likely be a provisional sum... Look at it this way, at least they are being upfront with you! Provisional sum: Does that mean that they will charge on actual cost incurred. if at all? How do I know that they are telling us the right cost re rock removals.. Is it possible that we monitor the site preparation process.. and see if they really find / remove any rock ?? Thanks for your responses. Cheers Re: Shocker before the tender appointment 6Apr 24, 2009 12:58 am WTF with the safety rail quote???? If you had have gone with the standard tiles, would they not have been required to have the safety rail then? How can they justify charging you for something that would have been compulsory with the standard option. They seem to be stinging you for the CB, but to go the extra for the rail seems like a rort! Em Re: Shocker before the tender appointment 7Apr 24, 2009 7:41 am The rail might be more for the roof pitch than the colorbond, so they were probably going to charge it for tiles as well. What pitch is your roof? Take photos while they are doing the earth works to check if they hit rock. Re: Shocker before the tender appointment 8Apr 24, 2009 1:45 pm Is the safety rail the "guard rail" ? the guard rail i know is one which is put all along the roof corners/ends so people donot accidently fall off. Not sure if that is qequivalent to safetly rail. I think 1800 seems a Lot !! I rem we paid around 400 for guard rail and guess what i never saw builder actully put it. whn asked i was told it is not a "provisional" amount so will not be returned! Regards Nonie Re: Shocker before the tender appointment 9Apr 24, 2009 1:46 pm PL note mine was a tiled roof ! not sure if they chaarge differently for tiled /colorbond for safety rail Re: Shocker before the tender appointment 10Apr 24, 2009 4:36 pm I agree with most of what's been said so far. I would add that I think you should actually be there on the day they are doing the piers so you can see for yourself if they hit rock or not. Our builder requires us to be present on the day they are doing piers for this very reason. Yes, I agree the amount is probably a provisional sum in case they hit rock. As for Colorbond -- it was only after I asked how much extra Colorbond was that our builder said 'no charge except for the sarking blanket'. A friend of mine built with the same company last year and was charged a considerable sum. Go figure! There could be a multitude of explanations Pix Built a (highly) modified Allcastle Maxworth 38.7 in Sydney. Re: Shocker before the tender appointment 11Apr 24, 2009 7:19 pm Give us the name of this mob so that I know never to build with them. $9 k for a roof upgrade, thats rediculous. $9 k for rock removal (make sure you take photos) And the slab, I hope that price includes bored piers (I thought that rock in the ground means that the soil isnt reactive therefore no slab upgrade required.) This doesnt add up, If i were you id get a lawyer to look at the tender documents before you sign. Re: Shocker before the tender appointment 12Apr 24, 2009 7:38 pm For the record safety rail cost less than $15p/m. For tiles you do not need safety rail if the roof is less than or equal to 25 degrees. For colorbond the max pitch is 23 anything after that you need safety rail. You also need full protect on any pitch if the edge of the roof is higher than 3 meters at any point or if there is not a 2m clerance zone from the house. Ie you cant have bricks (Broken on the ground or iin bails) withoin 2m of house, otherwise you need fail protection. Re: Shocker before the tender appointment 13Apr 25, 2009 8:25 am DARING2Build PROVISIONAL sum means that you pay and they will give you back any monies from that $9,000 that they did not spend, depending on if or not they hit rock. It's just in their 'safe' keeping, so they know they have the money from you to use in the instance of rock. We were given a list of óur 'Provisionals' from our builder. We also paid a provisional for rock. www.themaxbuild.blogspot.com forum.homeone.com.au/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=20717&start=300 www.leahspaperpassion.blogspot.com Re: Shocker before the tender appointment 14Apr 25, 2009 7:56 pm Another shocker.. given during meeting.. We were told that we get concrete floor in the Alfresco area, and we will have to cover it with deck or tiles later.. In the meeting.. we are now told that there is NO concrete floor in Alfresco area.. and the sales guy had given us wrong information.. The master plan of the house shows Alfresco area = 18.5 sqm and is being added to the Total Floor Area of house of 333.8 sqm (please see image) http://www.flickr.com/photos/37640853@N04/3473137620/ Does not that indicates that it is part of the floor and should be included? Thought? Re: Shocker before the tender appointment 15Apr 25, 2009 8:05 pm Most of the majors don't give concrete to the alfresco which is pretty ridiculous IMHO. M3tricon didn't 6 months ago, not sure about now. PD offer it now IF the slab is upgraded beyond M class.... so it is in effect built into the slab upgrade cost. Our slab is M class with PD and we have elected to add concrete to the alfresco and the front portico. Total area approximately 30sqm (just over 3sq) for a cost of approximately 2k which I thought was reasonable. Do you have it in writing anywhere that you'd be getting it to the alfresco?? That will help your cause to fight for it to be included. I leave you to fend for yourself, figure things out yourself. Terrence Malick Re: Shocker before the tender appointment 17Apr 25, 2009 8:14 pm Not just that.. Re soil test/ rocks.. The soil test says that they are able to dig till 800mm/ 1200mm at 5 point and then cant dig further. They will dig 450mm for H class and piers due to some cut and fill too.. Now if they can dig till say 800 mm and will actually dig 450 for slab/piers.. where is the question of rocks.. I was told that the tests were done ONLY at 5 points.. but still may find rocks in any other areas..(what is the purpose of doing test then.. if 5 points are not good enough) Also - I was under the impression that the rock issue will be over once the slab has been poured. I am told that they finalize the site costs only when the house is complete.. as they may find rocks while placing a pipe that connects to storm water once the house is complete. Is the strom water pipe connected after the house is complete? Thanks for any feedback/ advise. Cheers Re: Shocker before the tender appointment 18Apr 25, 2009 8:17 pm joles Most of the majors don't give concrete to the alfresco which is pretty ridiculous IMHO. M3tricon didn't 6 months ago, not sure about now. PD offer it now IF the slab is upgraded beyond M class.... so it is in effect built into the slab upgrade cost. Our slab is M class with PD and we have elected to add concrete to the alfresco and the front portico. Total area approximately 30sqm (just over 3sq) for a cost of approximately 2k which I thought was reasonable. Do you have it in writing anywhere that you'd be getting it to the alfresco?? That will help your cause to fight for it to be included. Thanks Joles, I don't have anything in writing.. But like i said the area is included in the total floor area of the house. Did your alfresco area was under the roof too.. and was included in the total area of the house? Cheers Re: Shocker before the tender appointment 19Apr 25, 2009 8:20 pm DARING2Build Did your alfresco area was under the roof too.. and was included in the total area of the house? Cheers Yes, ours is included in the total floor area because it is under the roof line. I leave you to fend for yourself, figure things out yourself. Terrence Malick Re: Shocker before the tender appointment 20Apr 25, 2009 8:21 pm DARING2Build Not just that.. Re soil test/ rocks.. The soil test says that they are able to dig till 800mm/ 1200mm at 5 point and then cant dig further. They will dig 450mm for H class and piers due to some cut and fill too.. Now if they can dig till say 800 mm and will actually dig 450 for slab/piers.. where is the question of rocks.. I was told that the tests were done ONLY at 5 points.. but still may find rocks in any other areas..(what is the purpose of doing test then.. if 5 points are not good enough) Also - I was under the impression that the rock issue will be over once the slab has been poured. I am told that they finalize the site costs only when the house is complete.. as they may find rocks while placing a pipe that connects to storm water once the house is complete. Is the strom water pipe connected after the house is complete? Thanks for any feedback/ advise. Cheers Hi, We also got stuck with paying provisional costs for rock but ours was only $1900 inclduing builders margin and they too drille din 5 spots but could not drill below 1200mm but i figure we get it back at the end of the build anyway. They always only do their variations ie. return of money owed to purchaser 'us' at completion 2nd build here we come in Whittlesea! https://forum.homeone.com.au/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=92617 1st Build - Henley - Cooper in Doreen! (2009) https://forum.homeone.com.au/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=17354 Hey. Head to a metal and decide on which profile you will use first. Profiles with larger corrugations can greatly change the appearance of the color in different… 0 3384 I am in the same situation, would you be able to give some insights in to this? I am in SA 8 17052 Ardo That is so funny! I wonder how many people know who Larry Haun is these days. 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