Browse Forums Building A New House Re: Site Costs with Henley 9Apr 01, 2007 1:30 pm Hi all,
We just completed our Tender with *****. We are also building on a P class slab (which fortunately for us is very level). Site costs came back to be approx $4618, which we are happy about - as we braced ourselves for the worst (approx $10k). Site Costs - Henley 10Apr 01, 2007 3:30 pm Hi Stewie,
Thanks for sharing your experience and your costing (despite the Compaction Test thing), which have allowed us to breathe a brief sigh of relief, though site costs from lot to lot can still vary greatly. I anticipate that our site (which also returned a P-Class soil test) will cost a bit more than yours. We are fairly level, but do have a slope of around 900mm to 1 meter, which will require a cut & fill. If we are between $6K and $10K at this point, I'll be pretty happy. If we are above $15K we'll have to rethink a few things to say the least. Sorry I can't be of much help, but I'm rather perplexed re: your Compaction Test clause as well. From the sounds of it, there wasn't much of an explanation from your tender presenter beyond, you need to provide this, but if you can't find it, don't worry about it. Not sure what he/she means by that. Sounds fairly important to me and if it does alter the slab recommendation and costs, it would be pretty darn important! I would try to get more clarification if I were you, either by calling your Admin. person or even trying your original Sales Consultant, or both. If I might ask, how much did you pay for your deposit and what is your lot like? I ask this because you stated that it's "more than 8 years old," but is it a cleared lot (ready to build) or a demolition site, where you demolished a previous existing building? Our situation is this: We are demolishing the home I'm sitting in currently and because of that we had to pay a deposit of $1000 (as opposed to Henley's usual deposit of $500 for a cleared lot). This deposit covers 1 site survey and 2 soil tests (one prior to the demolition and one after) to see if the second soil test reveals any changes to soil, reactivity, etc. which could alter the slab recommendation and cost (but I have been 'told' usually it doesn't affect it too much). So, there are some similarities to your 'compaction test clause' but only because we're a demo site and we knew about the 2nd soil test etc. up front. Please keep us posted as to anything you find out regarding your compaction test thingy as you have us quite intrigued. I take it you signed your tender and are now between the tender and contract stage? We have our tender appointment tomorrow with Henley and will certainly post the outcome when we return. Best of luck with the rest and thanks for the info so far! B&CB Re: Site Costs with Henley 11Apr 01, 2007 6:30 pm B&CB,
You're right, we are in between Tender and Contract - apparently there is a 4 week wait for our contracts to come through the mail. WE were happy with our tender process - it went very smoothly on the day (helps if you know what you want). Our block is a clear site, and has never been built upon previously. We paid $550 for our initial deposit (in November 06) - this covered our soil testing and survey. All the best with your appointment tomorrow. Hope your site costs stay low. Stewie Re: Site Costs with Henley 12Apr 02, 2007 12:25 am Hi Stewie,
We also have a P site and we had to supply the compaction report, but it was not enough they also wanted the supervised report as well. Our compaction report came with the land but it did not have a the supervised report with it saying if it was level one supervised, and without this the builder was going to charge 30,000 for our site costs even though they had built across the road from us and only charged 6,000 site cost, we had lots of arquements and many wasted months, then we changed builders. You can look at my other posts. I would ask them if they need the compaction report to also have the supervised level with it, then contact agent that sold you the land or the owner of the land and they should be able to tell you how did the compaction report. What area are you in? Good luck Di compaction test 13Apr 02, 2007 3:26 pm Hello Everyone,
I went through that all and this was the story. While we were still taking to the builder without signing anything (were in process of bying the land), our slaes consultant went on site and asked us about compaction certificate. What is that? Because our sales lady noticed that the land has been filled she said the compaction would harden the soil. So we went to our lawyers and they were arranging for us this compaction certificate. They have contacted the developer of the land. The best is to look for a civil engineer which is responsible for an approval of the house plans in compliance to the covenance. Our engineer was really helpful. So we got it... and the builder had to do another test anyway but this one deeper. And they got back to us with bad news. Everything depends on what is underneath this compacted soil. If the soil underneath is clay your site cost will blow up your budget. On the other hand, please monitor very carefully how they are building and what solutions they choosing. thanks kate Re: Site Costs with Henley 14Apr 06, 2007 8:10 am bry&cbear Hello Everyone, We we will be demolishing our existing dwelling and given some of the posts in regards to site costs, just called and found that our soil test classification is a "P-Class" which is not the most encouraging news. I have seen figures ranging from $10K to over $30K on this site, but the majority of those were for site costs with PD. Any help or information anyone can provide will be greatly appreciated. We'll certainly keep you posted as to what happens with our tender appointment! How did you go with the tender appointment? Did you get your site costs? Ours are above $30,000! Re: Site Costs with Henley 16Apr 06, 2007 11:56 am Stewie Pootle How did you go with the tender appointment? Did you get your site costs? Ours are above $30,000! Why so high Pootle? And are you also building with Henley? No, we're building with m'con. Various factors in the price: P grade slab, setback of 9m, block is 1000m, sewer pipe is 4m deep, current building is awaiting demolition, etc! They have to do more tests after demolition so we're praying they don't add any more costs on - it's way more than we'd budgeted for. Re: Site Costs with Henley 17Apr 06, 2007 3:24 pm Our site costs were fairly steep too with Carlisle Homes.
The saleman told us to expect around $8000 however I did my own investigation prior to the tender and we budgeted $20,000. Good thing too! Slab (m type) $6840 Cut and Fill $5619 Retaining Wall $4539 Suspension of rear half of Slab $4140 Re-establishment survey $698 Guardrail for safety $224 Double handling of materials due to site access $935 Termite protection $Free Total $22295.00 The site has a 2.2m front to rear fall and a 800mm right to left fall. Luckily for us the soil tests came back for an M class slab otherwise it would have been really scary!! Matt Site Costs - Henley 18Apr 07, 2007 8:31 pm Hello again all,
Sorry for the dealy, busy week at work after the appointment this past Monday, Easter Weekend, blah, blah, blah. So, our site costs were quite a bit more than what we had hoped for, but they were explained very well and there are some provisions that we hope we'll be refunded for so that could help keep the costs a bit more to our liking. Our Site costs came to $16,680. Here's the breakdown for you: New connection to stormwater drains: $1,268 (Our connection is either old or in poor condition and the new house and works will need sufficient drainage to the stormwater. This cost is high because of additional considerations, such as; breaking open the footpath, disturbance of the nature strip & reinstatement, additional council road opening permit fee & supply of crushed rock to protect drains & ensure public safety). Additional single phase underground power connection: $72 (Up to 12 meters is included and based on our lot, the sitting of the new house an the positon of the power, they have estimated a couple extra meters being needed to reach the meter box). Temporary fencing for duration of works: $332 Additional drainer allowance for sewer point trenches between 1500mm & 3100mm in depth as required by OH&S: $645 Concrete slab type "M" to suit foundation material class "P" as per Soil Report: Included (Note, 'M' Class slab to be confirmed on Engineer's slab design. We are obviously hoping/praying it remains an 'M' slab after demolition. We have been told it's highly likely it will). Total cost of Earthworks for building platform: $1,322 Agricultural drains to base of cut greater than 300mm deep: $390 Riser pipe to front of garage: $35 (This is for necessary drainage) Silt pit to be connected from agricultural drains to stormwater: $103 Timber sleeper walls retaining walls as required by council and per site plan: $2,654 (They admittedly charge an extensive amount for retaining walls. Our tender presenter kindly hinted that the flatter the land is at the time they are ready to do 2nd soil test and start work, the more likely it would be that we could avoid retaining wall costs, so we are going to try to level it as best as possible before they begin). Brick retaining wall (opposite side of house), waterproofing & agricultural drains as required by council: $1,557 Garage located 1.0 meters away from inspection shaft to sewer line, cost for surveyor to site inspection shaft etc: $130 Reticulated termite treatment system: $825 Rock removal provisional allowance - services & foundations (charged @ $192 per cubic meter): $3,840 (This is provisional, as stated and will be refunded if they do not dig up any rock. We should be OK here because the initial soil test did not hit any rock and given some recen works in the area, we know neighbors etc. have not hit rock. If they do hit rock, they have to show us the rock they have discovered as well as a report detailing the size, amount, etc). 25% builders margin on provisional allowance for rock removal: $960 (Henley charges 25% on top of the removal charge and they are up front about it, also provisional, so again if we don't hit rock and we are not charged, this cost naturally drops away as well). Material handling charge due to limited site access: $688 (This is a charge we and our tender presenter find a bit rediculous. Despite paying a $7,500 zone charge for Henley to build in our area, there is an additional charge for having to hand carry materials from the front to the back. They are trying to get this removed for us). Re-establishment Survey: $905 Asset protection fee: $115 Second soil test, post demolition: $350 Guardrail to single storey section of house due to OH&S: $286 (We may get some of this back as well if they don't need to use a guardrail on one part of our house. They need to have 6 meters of clear ground below in order to forfeit the need for the guardrail). Stormwater pollution prevention required to comply with council: $1,028 (These are a number of little provisions built into this cost so that we have a 'clean' site as required by most council's. Apparently ours aren't too bad as some can be rediculously strict). So there you have our costs for Connections, Foundations & Footings. All of that should come to $16,680 if I have added it up correctly, which is much higher than we had originally anticipated. HOWEVER, if you take into the account that we hopefully should be reimbursed for the rock provision, can get our land level enough prior to start so as not to warrant the need for retaining walls (one or both), as well as the silly material handling cost, the total will then be $6,981! That would be about what we were told originally, so we'll keep you posted as we move closer to 2nd soil test and the construction moves through. Once we are done, we'll know what we ended up being in for! If you have any questions, etc. feel free to ask. B&CB[/i] Site costs sloping block 19Apr 29, 2007 6:38 pm Wow, great thread. Thanks for for providing lots of detail.
We are wanting to knock down and rebuild. We are on stumps at the moment on a sloping elevated block (ie on top of a small hill). The front goes up very quickly and then there is only a modest slope front to back (200mm) left to right is more like 600mm. The soil is M class and no rock found in previous soil tests. The salesperson said that because it has been built on before, it would be treated as H class. Also, as an established area, we have long set back - around 8m. We haven't had a quote yet, but the salesperson said allow $30K (excluding demolition / removal, which we need to arrange ourselves). It seems like an unbelieveable amount. Its also higher than most of the others on this thread. Do you think they were being conservative? Re: Site Costs with Henley 20May 16, 2007 10:12 pm Doesn't look like anyone has posted for a while so I am unsure if this will help.
I also had a P site with an M-D slab, but as I built with a local builder I wasn't aware of any additional costs over and above, but have since learnt, probably the hard way My neighbour has given me the website address of a guy that gave him some infomation on these connection costs and slab costs and that, he has just finished building with m*******. He (neighbour) said it came in handy becasue he didn't know what he was looking at when it came to that sort of thing. Anyway, hope that it helps. www.residentialinformationsolutions.com.au I haven't checked the site et so I hope that it is o.k. I am not sure whether Perth has its own way of doing things in regards to this. Most of Perth has class A (sandy soil), except for some areas near rivers or hills. 2 8256 Is anyone building with Mojo and have a recent site cost tender 0 12210 Would any one know if Henley Homes is a good Builder to use I seen many reasonable but also many poor reviews With so many builder going bust I thought they would be a… 0 314 |