I would be curious as well. I would like to run the cable myself and then terminate it when I get into the house, but not sure if PD would let me in at frame stage.
Browse Forums Building A New House Re: Where did you terminate your Network? 21Apr 04, 2009 7:05 pm jamesb Out of curiosity for those of you that built with Porter Davis how much did they charge to run the cables at frame stage? I would be curious as well. I would like to run the cable myself and then terminate it when I get into the house, but not sure if PD would let me in at frame stage. Re: Where did you terminate your Network? 22Apr 04, 2009 9:20 pm zammasaurus jamesb Out of curiosity for those of you that built with Porter Davis how much did they charge to run the cables at frame stage? I would be curious as well. I would like to run the cable myself and then terminate it when I get into the house, but not sure if PD would let me in at frame stage. Thats what I would have liked to do to. But as far as I know they wont let anybody other than there contractors/tradies to do work on there site for saftey insurance reasons. Damn. Re: Where did you terminate your Network? 23Apr 04, 2009 9:27 pm jamesb zammasaurus jamesb Out of curiosity for those of you that built with Porter Davis how much did they charge to run the cables at frame stage? I would be curious as well. I would like to run the cable myself and then terminate it when I get into the house, but not sure if PD would let me in at frame stage. Thats what I would have liked to do to. But as far as I know they wont let anybody other than there contractors/tradies to do work on there site for saftey insurance reasons. Damn. Should be able to drop a slab off for 10mins worth of additional labour. Re: Where did you terminate your Network? 24Apr 04, 2009 9:51 pm bigred Should be able to drop a slab off for 10mins worth of additional labour. Exactly what I was planning. Yet ill probably drink the slab before its in the tradies hands rofl Re: Where did you terminate your Network? 25Apr 04, 2009 10:35 pm jamesb bigred Should be able to drop a slab off for 10mins worth of additional labour. Exactly what I was planning. Yet ill probably drink the slab before its in the tradies hands rofl No doubt. Re: Where did you terminate your Network? 26Apr 05, 2009 10:28 am wakeboardandy Mine will all terminate in the garage. All it will have is a switch and a router. I will have my server in another room, as the server can just plug into any network point throughout the house. Also you don't need a central location for most houses. If you want a wireless router then you can just put one on another network point throughout the house. That's a wireless access point (WAP). A router needs to have either a modem built in (a modem router) or can be standalone, but will then need the modem plugged in to it. All the network connections will need to be connected to the router at some point. You can do this with a dumb switch connected to the router or the router will have a switch also built in. You can't just plug a router into a single network point unless that network point only goes to the modem. Re: Where did you terminate your Network? 27Apr 05, 2009 11:50 am digamma That's a wireless access point (WAP). Yes, sorry. Thats what I meant. Re: Where did you terminate your Network? 28Apr 05, 2009 7:08 pm bigred My study which will have a raised tile setup, housing 2 x 24RU racks. Wireless setup using 802.1X, EAP-TLS setup. 2 HP ProCurve switches in an 802.3ad (Link Aggregation) setup. Servers include: 2 x IBM xSeries 335 2 x IBM pSeries Storage includes: 1 x IBM 3583 Tape Library (4 x LTO2 drives) (IBM Tivoli Storage Manager Enterprise managing it under AIX 5.3 on one of the pSeries servers) 1 x NetApp DS14 array (FC) Networking: 1 x QLogic 8 Port FC Switch 1 x Cisco PIX 525 2 x HP ProCurve 2810 That is some serious gear!! DAMN! Surely you cant dont utilise all of it lol. You also might as well throw away the pSeries servers and just keep the 335's. A NetApp DS14? Where on earth did you pick that up for a reasonable price? 4 x LTO drives?? lol Our Blog! http://cityplantation.blogspot.com | Building the Havana 485 with Plantation Homes (Henley) Re: Where did you terminate your Network? 29Apr 05, 2009 9:38 pm bigred My study which will have a raised tile setup, housing 2 x 24RU racks. Wireless setup using 802.1X, EAP-TLS setup. 2 HP ProCurve switches in an 802.3ad (Link Aggregation) setup. Servers include: 2 x IBM xSeries 335 2 x IBM pSeries Storage includes: 1 x IBM 3583 Tape Library (4 x LTO2 drives) (IBM Tivoli Storage Manager Enterprise managing it under AIX 5.3 on one of the pSeries servers) 1 x NetApp DS14 array (FC) Networking: 1 x QLogic 8 Port FC Switch 1 x Cisco PIX 525 2 x HP ProCurve 2810 ......that's how big BigReds eRichard is evidently! Re: Where did you terminate your Network? 30Apr 05, 2009 10:05 pm Gester bigred My study which will have a raised tile setup, housing 2 x 24RU racks. Wireless setup using 802.1X, EAP-TLS setup. 2 HP ProCurve switches in an 802.3ad (Link Aggregation) setup. Servers include: 2 x IBM xSeries 335 2 x IBM pSeries Storage includes: 1 x IBM 3583 Tape Library (4 x LTO2 drives) (IBM Tivoli Storage Manager Enterprise managing it under AIX 5.3 on one of the pSeries servers) 1 x NetApp DS14 array (FC) Networking: 1 x QLogic 8 Port FC Switch 1 x Cisco PIX 525 2 x HP ProCurve 2810 That is some serious gear!! DAMN! Surely you cant dont utilise all of it lol. You also might as well throw away the pSeries servers and just keep the 335's. A NetApp DS14? Where on earth did you pick that up for a reasonable price? 4 x LTO drives?? lol You can get all of that under $20,000 easily. 3583 with 4 LTO 2 tape drives for $600.00 AUD NetApp DS14 (FAS920) for $3500.00 AUD QLogic 8 Port FC Switch for $3200.00 AUD Cisco PIX 525 - $400.00 AUD 2 x IBM pSeries (7046-B50) - $3000.00 AUD Switches I don't have pricing on just yet. Tivoli Storage Manager will require 2 or more drives to perform activities such as Space Reclamation, Move Data etc.. There's 2 additional mount points for more efficient backup, but TSM will be configured appropriately to utilize only 3 mount points leaving a remaining drive for restore. I can't get rid of the pSeries servers, they're a necessity. xSeries servers are cheap as chips, pick up a 335 for under $1000.00 Cheers, Big Red P.S: Nice call with "eRichard". Re: Where did you terminate your Network? 31Apr 05, 2009 10:27 pm bigred Gester bigred My study which will have a raised tile setup, housing 2 x 24RU racks. Wireless setup using 802.1X, EAP-TLS setup. 2 HP ProCurve switches in an 802.3ad (Link Aggregation) setup. Servers include: 2 x IBM xSeries 335 2 x IBM pSeries Storage includes: 1 x IBM 3583 Tape Library (4 x LTO2 drives) (IBM Tivoli Storage Manager Enterprise managing it under AIX 5.3 on one of the pSeries servers) 1 x NetApp DS14 array (FC) Networking: 1 x QLogic 8 Port FC Switch 1 x Cisco PIX 525 2 x HP ProCurve 2810 That is some serious gear!! DAMN! Surely you cant dont utilise all of it lol. You also might as well throw away the pSeries servers and just keep the 335's. A NetApp DS14? Where on earth did you pick that up for a reasonable price? 4 x LTO drives?? lol You can get all of that under $20,000 easily. 3583 with 4 LTO 2 tape drives for $600.00 AUD NetApp DS14 (FAS920) for $3500.00 AUD QLogic 8 Port FC Switch for $3200.00 AUD Cisco PIX 525 - $400.00 AUD 2 x IBM pSeries (7046-B50) - $3000.00 AUD Switches I don't have pricing on just yet. Tivoli Storage Manager will require 2 or more drives to perform activities such as Space Reclamation, Move Data etc.. There's 2 additional mount points for more efficient backup, but TSM will be configured appropriately to utilize only 3 mount points leaving a remaining drive for restore. I can't get rid of the pSeries servers, they're a necessity. xSeries servers are cheap as chips, pick up a 335 for under $1000.00 Cheers, Big Red P.S: Nice call with "eRichard". Haha, when I saw this post I had to tell my wife, see i'm not that bad! Sorry to all the non techies but bigred has unleashed my inner geek - all others please ignore the below . I've been asking for a rackmount p520 for ages! Get rid of those xseries and pickup a few more pseries . My co-workers keep laughing saying i'd have a raised floor at home, I always tell them i'm not that bad . If you don't mind me asking, where did you get your 3583 from? When I hunt all I can seem to find are single lto2 drives selling for $200-300, but never full libraries at reasonable prices - would love to move from using disk storage pools to proper tape backups (other then my 4mm drive). Nav Re: Where did you terminate your Network? 32Apr 06, 2009 12:40 am Nav Haha, when I saw this post I had to tell my wife, see i'm not that bad! Sorry to all the non techies but bigred has unleashed my inner geek - all others please ignore the below . I've been asking for a rackmount p520 for ages! Get rid of those xseries and pickup a few more pseries . My co-workers keep laughing saying i'd have a raised floor at home, I always tell them i'm not that bad . If you don't mind me asking, where did you get your 3583 from? When I hunt all I can seem to find are single lto2 drives selling for $200-300, but never full libraries at reasonable prices - would love to move from using disk storage pools to proper tape backups (other then my 4mm drive). Nav Who would have thought that HomeOne is now far superior than Overclockers/Whirlpool for Technology? Heh, p520 would be nice but so expensive. For the Tape Library, shop around at Gray's Online, often they have rediculously cheap bargains. As you said, the xSeries should go but if I ever get that p520, i'll need to use one as the HMC Tape backups are the way to go, even better if you have software like TSM. Setup something simple like: DISK_POOL - Disk staging area TAPE_POOL - Onsite volumes OFFSITE_POOL - Offsite volumes Setup a stack of AIX scripts to perform administrative tasks. Wake up each morning before heading to work, open up the I/O door and remove. Place offsite volumes in your drawer at work The new version of TSM just came out recently too, haven't played with it yet but hopefully I'll get a chance sometime this week to. Gray's Online is good, Ebay is good. If you can't find much there, there's a few suppliers that'll stock 3583's, will be more expensive but it'll be worth it. Even LTO1 setup would be fine. 3582 Tape Library's are also cheap, only 2 tape drives but man, good enough really. Especially if you use TSM, because of it's progressive backup methodology, the amount you backup each night will be minimal. I believe NetBackup can also immitate a progressive backup method, not 100% sure though. In about 12 months time I'll be in my house, I'll setup a VPN server so you can have some fun with it Of course you can always setup TSM without a tape library by just creating a VTL Anyways, feel free to shoot me a PM. Cheers, Big Red Re: Where did you terminate your Network? 33Apr 06, 2009 10:02 am bigred Who would have thought that HomeOne is now far superior than Overclockers/Whirlpool for Technology? Heh, p520 would be nice but so expensive. For the Tape Library, shop around at Gray's Online, often they have rediculously cheap bargains. As you said, the xSeries should go but if I ever get that p520, i'll need to use one as the HMC Tape backups are the way to go, even better if you have software like TSM. Setup something simple like: DISK_POOL - Disk staging area TAPE_POOL - Onsite volumes OFFSITE_POOL - Offsite volumes Setup a stack of AIX scripts to perform administrative tasks. Wake up each morning before heading to work, open up the I/O door and remove. Place offsite volumes in your drawer at work The new version of TSM just came out recently too, haven't played with it yet but hopefully I'll get a chance sometime this week to. Gray's Online is good, Ebay is good. If you can't find much there, there's a few suppliers that'll stock 3583's, will be more expensive but it'll be worth it. Even LTO1 setup would be fine. 3582 Tape Library's are also cheap, only 2 tape drives but man, good enough really. Especially if you use TSM, because of it's progressive backup methodology, the amount you backup each night will be minimal. I believe NetBackup can also immitate a progressive backup method, not 100% sure though. In about 12 months time I'll be in my house, I'll setup a VPN server so you can have some fun with it Of course you can always setup TSM without a tape library by just creating a VTL Anyways, feel free to shoot me a PM. Cheers, Big Red I have hunted on grays and ebay for the past 3 years hoping to see a bargain lto library, haven't had much luck. I'm very familar with TSM though - was a tsm admin/sybase dba/aix admin for my first job, in the past 2-3 years i've stopped touching tsm and work only with AIX. Anyways, going way off topic now - just was impressed to see someone at homeone building a raised floor. Nav Re: Where did you terminate your Network? 34Apr 06, 2009 11:39 am sdabel Cabling is not expensive to get done before the walls go on- a couple of hundred dollars in our case. Better (cheaper) to cable early on and then terminate after you move in. Worst case is that you will have cables that you don't use. Can it easily be done though? I'm assuming the builder has to do it? Or can you bring in a 3rd party to do it while it's in the frame stage? And this is just the cabling, correct? (so it just sits in the wall) And then after lockup, you'd just have to get it connected to the wallplates etc etc. Re: Where did you terminate your Network? 35Apr 06, 2009 4:37 pm Yes, it is relatively easy to do, if you know what you are doing. Depending on the type of cabling, but for most data cabling, you need to know how to keep it separate from power cabling, minimum bend radii, how to terminate and the right tools etc to terminate. Running the cable is the easy part, knowing how to do it correctly requires more knowledge. Plus, regulations require any cabling that is going to be connected to a public telecommunications network must be installed by a qualified cabler. I'm sure it is done all the time by home handymen and women and then they simply pay the sparky some cash on the side to check it all before it gets ticked off. There are ways of reducing cost without doing it illegally. As for if you can get someone else to come in and do it during frame stage will be up to the builders, usually. Some don't like anyone who is not one of their people coming on site. Some say it is for insurance reasons, but it most likely has to do with people protecting their own etc, nepotism. You get the idea. Re: Where did you terminate your Network? 36Apr 06, 2009 6:38 pm digamma the other alternative way is to decide where you are likely to want cables and have conduit put in with a draw wire and then get your own people in after handover. In our case , we've had to do this because a )the builder wasn't interested in offering network cabling and wouldn't allow anyone in during the build to do it and b) since we have a double brick house with external wall insulation and internal brick walls there were no cavities to cable into later. Re: Where did you terminate your Network? 37Apr 07, 2009 2:10 pm I just wanted to see people's thoughts on this. We will have a phone point in the study for our ADSL connection/modem. From the study, I want the builder to run LAN cables to the rumpus and living room. Does this mean I will have two LAN sockets in the study for the wires that go to the rumpus and living room? I'm thinking of just placing a wireless modem in the study instead of running lan cables. Is there any advantage to laying LAN cables? Re: Where did you terminate your Network? 38Apr 07, 2009 2:22 pm reaver From the study, I want the builder to run LAN cables to the rumpus and living room. Does this mean I will have two LAN sockets in the study for the wires that go to the rumpus and living room? Sure does......at a minimum. You may want to contemplate running a couple of cables to each room......depends on your geek factor. reaver Is there any advantage to laying LAN cables? Speed.......at this stage at least. Depending what gear you have hanging off the cables at either end, you can get 1Gb per second (and before all the nerds chip in, yes I know you can team/ether channel etc and go for 10Gb, but let's be realistic). Wireless isn't quite at that pace yet. Re: Where did you terminate your Network? 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