Browse Forums Building A New House 1 Mar 12, 2007 9:28 am Hi All,
I've been lurking around this excellent forum for a while now, and I've learnt lots of great things, and I read some stories that have scared the crap out of me! Thanks to everyone - expecially the building and construction professionals who take the time to help out the inexperienced. In a couple of weeks we will be heading into a tender meeting with Porter Davis, and I'd like to be as prepared as possible - hence the reason for the post. We are buying some land in the Geelong (Vic) area. We have paid out $600 deposit and the soil test was arranged by PD with "Structural Works". After I'd seen that the core holes have been drilled on out block, I phoned PD to ask about the results of the test. I was told that the site was classed as "P". I asked for a copy of the report, and they agreed to fax me a copy. The report indeed says P class, but says this is to "account for the abnormal moisture conditions caused by trees on this site and adjacent sites, as per AS 2870-1996." The report goes on the say: "A minimum slab freeboard of 150mm is recommended" "A waffle footing system suitable ot an "M" site reactivity (310mm overall depth 225mm boxes, 85mm slab) may be appropriate for an articulated brick veneer dwelling. Refer AS-2870 1996 Fig 3.4. On fill side, where the depth of rolled compacted fill exceeds 300mm, the waffle footing system shall be supported on piers founded into firm natural B Horizon CLAY as noted in borelogs" There's a fall on the block over the site of the house of approx 1 metre (I measured it), and as a result we allowed $15k for the site costs, before the soil report came back. I'm interested in opinions of people who have had a similar soil report come back, or professionals who know about these things... 1. Would removal of the trees make an difference to the classification of the soil? 2. In the recommendation above, it sounds like "supported on piers" is the use of screw piles, similar to some of the other people on the forum who are using Porter Davis. Is that the case? My feeling is that whenever a soil report suggest screw piles, the site costs head higher than you can jump over. 3. Has anyone building with Porter Davis been able to organise their own earthworks? I have a feeling that removal of trees and cut-and-fill with a small retaining wall is going to be charged by PD at an outrageous amount - like everything they do. There's a picture of the site on our blog... it's a work in progress. http://www.perryr.com/homeblog/index.html Thanks for reading! Perry Re: Porter Davis Site Costs 3Mar 15, 2007 12:21 pm Hi esem,
We haven't had our Tender appointment yet - I'm expecting that they will come back with a ridiculous figure. If they try and tell us the site costs are $30k, then we won't be building their house. I'm getting the feeling that some of these builder have fixed price home, however they cream their profit on the site costs and the extras. Which house are you building? Perry Re: Porter Davis Site Costs 4Mar 15, 2007 3:39 pm Hi guys - we are building with PD with a somewhat similar situation..we also have approx 1m of fall over the house site and require piering on the fill side - ie - half the house! Site costs about 9k with a credit of around 1k to come as they have allowed for a longer electricity run than needed. So it might not be as bad as you think!!
We made PD give us a site cost before tender due to a bad experience with a previous block - we were able to pull out as had purchased subject to soil test! Re: Porter Davis Site Costs 5Mar 15, 2007 3:57 pm Quote: Hi guys - we are building with PD with a somewhat similar situation..we also have approx 1m of fall over the house site and require piering on the fill side - ie - half the house! Site costs about 9k with a credit of around 1k to come as they have allowed for a longer electricity run than needed. So it might not be as bad as you think!! We made PD give us a site cost before tender due to a bad experience with a previous block - we were able to pull out as had purchased subject to soil test! Hi Vanderlay, That makes me feel a little better - we've put an allowance in for $15k, so if it falls within that then I'll be satisfied. I guess there's not much I can do until the tender appointment... were PD very forthcoming about the site costs before you went for the tender appointment? I suspect that they won't want to give us that information. Perry Re: Porter Davis Site Costs 6Mar 15, 2007 4:05 pm they wern't too bad - we just said we would need to know after the experience with the last block and they were able to give the soil test and site survey to one of their estimators and come back with an approx cost.
The first block we had we did the same - but with a P classification and a quote of $22k for site costs we cancelled the land contract! Re: Porter Davis Site Costs 7Mar 15, 2007 10:28 pm perryr PD very forthcoming about the site costs before you went for the tender appointment? I suspect that they won't want to give us that information. We asked for it up front before we signed anything (& before we were at tender...this was back when the sales rep was drawing up a quote for us) & they gave it to us. It was pretty much the same at tender...in fact, it went down a wee bit. Just ask & they should tell you. No point in getting a big surprise when it comes time for tender. Re: Porter Davis Site Costs 10Mar 19, 2007 1:09 pm Just don't sign the Tender and pay the deposit if you're not happy with the site costs. You can still pull out at that stage and only lose the $600 deposit you paid.
Did they not quote you a rough estimate for the site costs when you did the walk-through? [sneakersss] Re: Porter Davis Site Costs 12Mar 19, 2007 2:08 pm in fairness to Porter Davis, we are not building in an estate where they know they soil quality etc.
We put in a rough number ($15k, at my suggestion) at the quote stage, but they aren't prepared to guesstimate the actuals until they see some survey / engineer recommendations. According to the CSR, those reports won't be available until just before Tender Appointment. I won't be backwards in pulling out of the contract if I think I'm being ripped off! Thanks everyone. Perry Re: Porter Davis Site Costs 13Apr 02, 2007 7:55 pm Well folks - site costs came in today at 24k. Ouch!
In fairness, the person at PD who went through the costs with us explained exactly where the expense is - in summary because of our block, there's cut and fill, and long (about 20m) retaining wall which is 1m in height. Combine that with some other factors and out pops out the number. I'll put more info on the blog when I get some time soon! Perry Re: Porter Davis Site Costs 15Apr 03, 2007 11:29 am Bummer indeed. The siutation is pretty much take it or leave it. The biggest issue is that we have a 2 metre retaining wall to be built, 1 metre high. If you take into consideration the additional cost, then the retaining wall comes in at about $400 per metre....
We've decided to go ahead - we can finance the extra 10K, and the additional payments won't be too bad. Sigh. At least we are coming close to knowing the actual cost now! Perry Re: Porter Davis Site Costs 16Apr 03, 2007 11:47 am Well, I feel better about $8k now!
At least you know now, and everything else you add to the cost will be your decision from here on! (Unless you do anything that changes the 5 star rating) Good luck! Built Porter Davis "Dromana" 2007. Re: Porter Davis Site Costs 17Sep 17, 2009 3:50 pm Site 'S' Classification: Site Classification: The site is classified as "S" in accordance with AS2870-1996. Based on the area geology, soil profile as encountered during this limited investigation and normal seasonal soil moisture conditions*, an estimated characteristic seasonal surface movement (Ys) of between 0mm and 20mm can be anticipated. Wind Speed: N2 Footing Recommendations: Waffle Pod Footing System: Where fill Does Not Exceed 300mm Where fill Exceed 300mm and the requirements of AS2870-1996. Piers/screw piles will be required where fill is not compacted and/or exceeds the requirements of AS2870-1996. Above is the priliminary Soil Test, anybody there to interpret pleae. I think Poter Davis Send same pre-formatted Soil test report to customre. After then when people turn up in the tender appoinment, Surprises htere. I am not sure how much my site cost will be, its 612sqm lot. Please share you experience with S classification and porter davis builder's site cost issues. Kind regards Tania Deba Re: Porter Davis Site Costs 18Sep 17, 2009 4:02 pm Hi ours is a H class waffle slab $12800 close to 38 sq house includes piering and concreting the portico and alfresco. excavation $3700 services $5740 due to large block 2000 sq mts including 3 phase power due to distance from electicity pit. We had been told by the sales staff to expect this amount. D Henley should give you some indication of site costs. Too many variable to give you any reasonable accuracy 1 9725 Hi El Forgo From what you are describing, I would be budgeting at least $6,000-7,000/sqm at an absolute minimum, possibly even $8,000. This factors in: 1. The sheer… 4 10984 Hi, I am in the process of planning to start a kitchen vinyl wrapping business in Auckland, and I am seeking information regarding the average costs for the installation… 0 10141 |