Browse Forums Building A New House 1 Dec 29, 2008 1:40 pm We have a guy from ABC Seamless, one of the gutter/leaf guard company to give us a quote for a leaf guard for our gutters the other day. I noticed in his folder there were some information about the following 2 news articles about some major problem with the "high-front gutters" design. And they claim to be only one in the industry that manufactures the "high-back gutters"
The 2 articles with quite shocking information are as below, like to know if this has been discussed before and how you feel about it. http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/gre ... ntentSwap2 http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/gov ... 47718.html My main concern is, is it true that insurance company won't be covering the cost if there's any problem. Mentioned in the 1st article: "People think it's just a matter of a simple roof leak, which they can then claim through their insurance," "But these homes will not be repaired by insurance companies if the original work was non-compliant. This guttering is not only a breach of legislation but an act of unwitting deceit, potentially causing health and financial stress to consumers. Then they pursue us, and we face litigation for non-compliance." reply 2Dec 29, 2008 1:42 pm I wouldnt know what this is about! You may remember me as "pringles", on such websites as Homeone. Building Atlantique Mk2 with Carlisle. At completion stage. Regards Re: Are you aware of the "high-front gutters" prob 3Dec 29, 2008 1:43 pm ahuang We have a guy from ABC Seamless, one of the gutter/leaf guard company to give us a quote for a leaf guard for our gutters the other day. I noticed in his folder there were some information about the following 2 news articles about some major problem with the "high-front gutters" design. And they claim to be only one in the industry that manufactures the "high-back gutters" The 2 articles with quite shocking information are as below, like to know if this has been discussed before and how you feel about it. http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/gre ... ntentSwap2 http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/gov ... 47718.html My main concern is, is it true that insurance company won't be covering the cost if there's any problem. Mentioned in the 1st article: "People think it's just a matter of a simple roof leak, which they can then claim through their insurance," "But these homes will not be repaired by insurance companies if the original work was non-compliant. This guttering is not only a breach of legislation but an act of unwitting deceit, potentially causing health and financial stress to consumers. Then they pursue us, and we face litigation for non-compliance." Boxed Gutters Allan, I would never have them Internal and External Building and Colour Consultant Online - Worldwide http://www.denovoconcepts.com Re: Are you aware of the "high-front gutters" problem? 4Dec 29, 2008 1:44 pm probably not a problem here in melbourne since we haven't had rain for about 5 years!!! Re: Are you aware of the "high-front gutters" prob 5Dec 29, 2008 1:53 pm Michelle Boxed Gutters Allan, I would never have them Michelle, I am not convinced this article is about box gutters. It seems to be about gutters that clip on to the outside of buildings, rather than box gutters which rather worryingly for those of us who have them in our design, actually live directly above the habitable rooms..... Unfortunately we really have to have them to comply with a heap of restrictions on our site, where flood overlays are pulling us one way and rescode another way.... Yours terrifiedly JB Re: Are you aware of the "high-front gutters" problem? 6Dec 29, 2008 1:57 pm More guttering to look into….great, just when you think you know it all, more stuff comes out!
JB…..keep those gutters cleaned at all times. Internal and External Building and Colour Consultant Online - Worldwide http://www.denovoconcepts.com Re: Are you aware of the "high-front gutters" prob 7Dec 29, 2008 1:59 pm Michelle Boxed Gutters Allan, I would never have them No Michelle, from what I read in the article, this is not about the boxed gutters. I think it's about about (1) there should be a gap between the gutter and the bricks, (2) the gutters should have overflow "slots" - which from my understanding, means little horizontal holes around the gutter. As an example: this one has the slots as standard: http://www.bluescopesteel.com.au/go/pro ... sland-only While in this one from Stratco, it's optional: http://www.stratco.com.au/products/gutt ... d/quad.asp Re: Are you aware of the "high-front gutters" problem? 8Dec 29, 2008 2:00 pm Michelle JB…..keep those gutters cleaned at all times. Michelle, are any perceived problems with box gutters leaking into the rooms below eliminated by cleaning the gutters? Because if they are I shall be up there twice a day! JB Re: Are you aware of the "high-front gutters" prob 9Dec 29, 2008 2:05 pm ahuang Michelle Boxed Gutters Allan, I would never have them No Michelle, from what I read in the article, this is not about the boxed gutters. I think it's about about (1) there should be a gap between the gutter and the bricks, (2) the gutters should have overflow "slots" - which from my understanding, means little horizontal holes around the gutter. As an example: this one has the slots as standard: http://www.bluescopesteel.com.au/go/pro ... sland-only While in this one from Stratco, it's optional: http://www.stratco.com.au/products/gutt ... d/quad.asp These look good...... Internal and External Building and Colour Consultant Online - Worldwide http://www.denovoconcepts.com Re: Are you aware of the "high-front gutters" problem? 10Dec 29, 2008 2:13 pm James Bond Michelle JB…..keep those gutters cleaned at all times. Michelle, are any perceived problems with box gutters leaking into the rooms below eliminated by cleaning the gutters? Because if they are I shall be up there twice a day! JB No…..but for me and my thinking all the less blockage in any way means water flowing freely! And that’s true with the standard guttering as well. We had a blocked storm water, like REALY blocked! My plumber was prepared to just leave the downpipes on until he got back to look at the storm water problem. I made him unhook one of the downpipes….why, because of back flow into the house and down the walls. Even he agreed with me on that one. Anyway….everyone should keep their gutters clean, boxed gutters even more so. You may never have a problem JB, just be aware of what CAN happen, but it doesn’t always mean it DOES happen. Internal and External Building and Colour Consultant Online - Worldwide http://www.denovoconcepts.com Re: Are you aware of the "high-front gutters" problem? 11Dec 29, 2008 3:38 pm I've noticed this problem for quite some time as on my old house the gutters allways overflowed backwards down the facia. Eaves gutters (which is what this style of gutter is called regardless of whether you have eaves or not) are allways designed to overflow in heavy storms. Generally they are designed for a 1 in 20 year rainfall intensity and if it happens to rain very hard for a short period or you have a blocked downpipe then they will overflow. Sometimes they will overflow in the internal corners where the valley gutter is or it will be a matter of poor design where there isn't enough fall towards the nearest downpipe.
Boxed gutters on the other hand are designed for a 1 in 100 year storm and they should have a minimum of 2 downpipes per section and overflow pops. The problem with these gutters is many builders and architects do know how to design them properly or fail to provide adequate overflow. They really should be designed by a civil engineer to make sure they will work adequately. The overflow slots are a good idea particularly if you have gutter guards as some of the designs I've seen can prevent the gutter overflowing effectively. Rather interstingly I've noticed that the brickwork on new houses is done after installing the facia and does not meet the top of the facia. So if the top edge of the gutter clips over the facia then the water will spill over down between the facia and the bricks or on top of the bricks and down the inside wall. Amazing to think the building industry is okay with this design. Re: Are you aware of the "high-front gutters" problem? 13Sep 06, 2009 8:35 am 3win I found this old thread. I guess it's still relevant and worth checking. We ended up changing design so we didn't have box gutters - we kept the contemporary look of box gutters and hung the gutters over the side, hopefully this will give the best of both worlds. The house is not leaking at the gutters at all at this stage thank goodness! Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ JB Thanks mate. Yeah good points! Leaning towards Option 3 to get a bit extra space in the cabinets but not going too crazy high (and expensive). Would require a mini… 13 39691 It will be neat but you won't have much freeboard. At least they are not weep holes. Are you in a high intensity rainfall region? The regulatory slope is only required… 3 8265 2 5840 |