Browse Forums Building A New House 1 Jun 04, 2024 8:33 pm As per the topic title, can I install a Heat pump HWS system instead of a water tank in Victoria. My gas supply has been abolished and the Ausnet (Gas company) website estimates $3k to $ 5k to connect gas line to property plus plumber so I want to go electric only Re: New home build: Heat pump HWS instead of Rainwater tank 2Jun 04, 2024 9:35 pm If you provide documentation to your building surveyor that a heat pump can outperform a solar HWS, he should sign off on a heat pump. Also accessing the BOM long term weather records of cloudy and rain days per year will help. If you also have PV supplying the heat pump, you should be ok. See VBA documentation below. https://www.vba.vic.gov.au/__data/asset ... Nov-22.pdf 3in1 Supadiverta. Rainwater Harvesting Best Practice using siphonic drainage. Cleaner Neater Smarter Cheaper Supa Gutter Pumper. A low cost, siphonic, eaves gutter overflow solution. Re: New home build: Heat pump HWS instead of Rainwater tank 3Jun 04, 2024 10:06 pm This is interesting: Where reticulated gas supply from a gas company is NOT available then under clause 11 the SWH can be either: • an electric boosted SWH, or • a heat pump water heater connected to mains electricity. I would have to check with the building surveyor on the meaning of "NOT available". I have no reticulated gas supply conected to home-the entire supply line from the mains not just the meter was abolished afer the house was demolished, so I would say a reticulated gas supply from a gas company is not available. Re: New home build: Heat pump HWS instead of Rainwater tank 4Jun 04, 2024 11:23 pm There is a difference in meaning between "available" and "connected" but the whole thing is ridiculous as the Victorian regulations bizzarely preference gas, not electricity. My thoughts are that "available" generally means that the gas supply infrastructure exists and can be accessed while "connected" obviously means that the gas supply is physically connected to the property. It's a bit like the interpretation between "should" and "shall" in many regulations and elsewhere where the bureaucrats who write the regulations seem to not know the difference nor the consequences of their ignorance. The building surveyor is the one who signs off and who will know, from practical experience, the interpretational liberties. In all likelyhood, the interpretation is carte blanche which makes a mockery of the current antiquated (an oxymoron lol) regulations. A late thought: If push comes to shove, it could be argued that the cost of connecting to the "available" gas supply is not financially viable, therefore not considered "available" in practical terms. 3in1 Supadiverta. Rainwater Harvesting Best Practice using siphonic drainage. Cleaner Neater Smarter Cheaper Supa Gutter Pumper. A low cost, siphonic, eaves gutter overflow solution. Re: New home build: Heat pump HWS instead of Rainwater tank 5Jun 05, 2024 9:54 pm Thanks you for your detailed reply and the link The cost factor is a big one. For the cost of a gas line line ( no HWS) rainwater tank I could get a heat pump HWS, an induction cook top and split air con. Of course I';m reading that a heat pump HWS might not be as effective in cooler weather in Melbourne. Re: New home build: Heat pump HWS instead of Rainwater tank 6Jun 05, 2024 10:55 pm The reason for the gas or electricity boosting SWH in Melbourne is because of the high number of cloudy days. I would think that would affect a SWH moreso than a heat pump. If so, it should present a strong case for having a heat pump approved. I am not sure why the thread is headed- "New home build: Heat pump HWS instead of Rainwater tank". Shouldn't you be comparing a heat pump to SWH in order to have a heat pump approved? Have you been refused permission to have an electric boosted SWH? The Victorian pro gas regulatory mandate is flawed. https://www.premier.vic.gov.au/new-vict ... ctric-2024 3in1 Supadiverta. Rainwater Harvesting Best Practice using siphonic drainage. Cleaner Neater Smarter Cheaper Supa Gutter Pumper. A low cost, siphonic, eaves gutter overflow solution. Re: New home build: Heat pump HWS instead of Rainwater tank 7Jun 05, 2024 11:10 pm My understanding is solar hot water requires a back up system and gas seems to be preferred over electric...which means a gas line Also the cost and complexity/reliability of solar hot water is why I chose a rainwater tank over SHW But looking at heat pump HWS, their cost and energy use, I calculated it might be heat pump might best choice overal, especially if I could get away with no water tank. Re: New home build: Heat pump HWS instead of Rainwater tank 8Jun 05, 2024 11:19 pm It always astounded me that PV systems were not included in the 6 star standard. Below is notice of discussion about including heat pumps. https://www.energy.nsw.gov.au/sites/def ... tation.pdf The next doc should interest you as it states on page 2 "where a reticulated gas supply is available for connection" https://www.vba.vic.gov.au/__data/asset ... y-2024.pdf 3in1 Supadiverta. Rainwater Harvesting Best Practice using siphonic drainage. Cleaner Neater Smarter Cheaper Supa Gutter Pumper. A low cost, siphonic, eaves gutter overflow solution. Re: New home build: Heat pump HWS instead of Rainwater tank 9Jun 06, 2024 9:18 am Fantastic-that second doc may be exactly what I'm looking for: Effective from 28 November 2023, there is no longer a restriction on the energy source for SWH installed in a new Class 1 dwelling to comply with Victoria's variations to Part 2.6 and Part 3.12 of the 2019 version of the Building Code of Australia (BCA), Volume Two. This means that, where reticulated natural gas supply is available for connection, the SWH installed in a new Class 1 home can be a: • heat pump water heater; • gas boosted solar water heater; or • electric boosted solar water heater Re: New home build: Heat pump HWS instead of Rainwater tank 10Jun 06, 2024 11:41 am Also at the bottom of page 4... ...and from 28 November 2023 a heat pump water heater, gas boosted solar water heater or electric boosted solar water heater can be installed in a new Class 1 dwelling where reticulated natural gas supply is available for connection. At the start, I tried to find a later doc instead of the one I first posted but couldn't find one. I'll have another look later for a clean skin when I have time. 3in1 Supadiverta. Rainwater Harvesting Best Practice using siphonic drainage. Cleaner Neater Smarter Cheaper Supa Gutter Pumper. A low cost, siphonic, eaves gutter overflow solution. Grate, thank you! RexChan if thats the reason i could sleep well without thinking about additional cost. But 1st i'll need to read about NRV cleaning/replaing stuff. I… 7 33368 Plumbers are not trained in rainwater harvesting best practice, they just copy each other. Using a cut down milk crate is a good option as it has a perforated base. If… 13 2220 Family of 4. Had 1x 315L Sanden Eco Plus for 4 years. Never ran out of water, even with guests staying. 4 1056 |