Browse Forums Building A New House 1 Apr 15, 2024 8:17 pm Re: What is an allowable amount of movement? 2Apr 15, 2024 8:36 pm No, you have some serious movement. First which state are you in? How old is the home? do you have more images of the same area, but standing back about 2-3m facing 45 deg to the house looking along the wall, toward the front then toward the back and then a long shot down the yard showing the ground/grass area with the wall in the shot but to the side, say parallel to the house? that would help We are Expert Consultant's, and we are here to help. Re: What is an allowable amount of movement? 3Apr 15, 2024 8:40 pm BuildingandLegal No, you have some serious movement. First which state are you in? How old is the home? do you have more images of the same area, but standing back about 2-3m facing 45 deg to the house looking along the wall, toward the front then toward the back and then a long shot down the yard showing the ground/grass area with the wall in the shot but to the side, say parallel to the house? that would help In Victoria, Gippsland. Home was built in 2016. No more photos just now but ill try get some this week. Re: What is an allowable amount of movement? 4Apr 15, 2024 8:56 pm Not exactly sure how your home warranty works down there, but i would say you are out of time on hitting the builder. But, if you can get the pictures and either post them or email me I can advise you We are Expert Consultant's, and we are here to help. Re: What is an allowable amount of movement? 5Apr 17, 2024 9:42 am BuildingandLegal No, you have some serious movement. First which state are you in? How old is the home? do you have more images of the same area, but standing back about 2-3m facing 45 deg to the house looking along the wall, toward the front then toward the back and then a long shot down the yard showing the ground/grass area with the wall in the shot but to the side, say parallel to the house? that would help Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Re: What is an allowable amount of movement? 7Apr 17, 2024 9:30 pm Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ OK, The orange lines on bricks are where I can see cracking to the motar joints, but further up you can also see cracking through brick work. it takes a lot of stress to crack through rather than around bricks! Your other question was related to sealing of Abelflex, Yes you need to seal these joints to prevent moisture getting down and ponding next to the footings. The concrete at the door. See where the concrete butts up against the bricks under the door (on the right side) no dark gap but the orange circle left side, shows a dark gap of about 20mm, that is showing me that part of the path falls to that little garden section near the fence. That is creating a very wet "Abnormal moisture pocket" right next to your footings. Thats a problem! Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ In addition to this you have some BIG thirsty trees within a few meters of the dwelling. This would be the reason for a "P" on a soil test. As a plumber (loooooooong time ago) my boss use to say "Look at the width of the tree's canopy, times that width by 3 and thats the extent of its roots". Those roots are up against your home & under your home, and they are taking water out of the ground (more importantly 'out of the clay'). This creates abnormal moisture conditions. Think of the ground around the trunk as a dart board, the tree will take up 90% of the rain hitting the ground within the first 1m ring, 80-90% in the next 1m ring, 65-80% in the next ring etc etc etc. Not exact percentages! but it helps to explain what effect a tree root system has on the clays. The clay is shrinking the most around the tree ring #1, a little bit less in the next ring and so on and so on etc etc. This means on a horizontal plane the clays are shrinking abnormally like a slope toward the tree trunk. Then you have the path sending water to that garden next to the fence. If you zoom in on the brick sill of the door you can see green mossy darker mortar on the left and lighter cream mortar to the right, this is showing you have more moisture to the left than the right. The problem you have is the abelflex "no Sealant' = Not ideal. The moisture in the garden = Not ideal, and is adding to the problem. Dig out the section of garden seen in the image and get some bags of concrete mix and concrete it. Fill the Abelflex joints with Sika External grade sealant. Let the concrete cure for about 1x week then get some Bondall pathing clear waterproofing solution and spray all of the slab, you want the treat the slab with a hydrophobic clear treatment. this will move the water out to the edge of the slab and away from the house. I'm guessing the trees are a park? (council?) Get an inspector to do a dilapidation report of the side angled external wall. It will cost about $2-3k. Don't go shopping for a cheap inspector aka a builder/chippy that now looks at houses and charges $600-$800 with photos. They mostly have no idea unless a defect falls on them or they fall over one. (yes my rant) Keep the report and monitor the side wall for 6 months see if it is getting worse, if you approach the council/owner and ask them how they are going to fix there trees problem. Around the door, just get some quad or DAR and fix it around the door jambs to make the home weatherproof. Hope this helps Craig We are Expert Consultant's, and we are here to help. Re: What is an allowable amount of movement? 8Apr 18, 2024 8:23 pm BuildingandLegal Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ OK, The orange lines on bricks are where I can see cracking to the motar joints, but further up you can also see cracking through brick work. it takes a lot of stress to crack through rather than around bricks! Your other question was related to sealing of Abelflex, Yes you need to seal these joints to prevent moisture getting down and ponding next to the footings. The concrete at the door. See where the concrete butts up against the bricks under the door (on the right side) no dark gap but the orange circle left side, shows a dark gap of about 20mm, that is showing me that part of the path falls to that little garden section near the fence. That is creating a very wet "Abnormal moisture pocket" right next to your footings. Thats a problem! Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ In addition to this you have some BIG thirsty trees within a few meters of the dwelling. This would be the reason for a "P" on a soil test. As a plumber (loooooooong time ago) my boss use to say "Look at the width of the tree's canopy, times that width by 3 and thats the extent of its roots". Those roots are up against your home & under your home, and they are taking water out of the ground (more importantly 'out of the clay'). This creates abnormal moisture conditions. Think of the ground around the trunk as a dart board, the tree will take up 90% of the rain hitting the ground within the first 1m ring, 80-90% in the next 1m ring, 65-80% in the next ring etc etc etc. Not exact percentages! but it helps to explain what effect a tree root system has on the clays. The clay is shrinking the most around the tree ring #1, a little bit less in the next ring and so on and so on etc etc. This means on a horizontal plane the clays are shrinking abnormally like a slope toward the tree trunk. Then you have the path sending water to that garden next to the fence. If you zoom in on the brick sill of the door you can see green mossy darker mortar on the left and lighter cream mortar to the right, this is showing you have more moisture to the left than the right. The problem you have is the abelflex "no Sealant' = Not ideal. The moisture in the garden = Not ideal, and is adding to the problem. Dig out the section of garden seen in the image and get some bags of concrete mix and concrete it. Fill the Abelflex joints with Sika External grade sealant. Let the concrete cure for about 1x week then get some Bondall pathing clear waterproofing solution and spray all of the slab, you want the treat the slab with a hydrophobic clear treatment. this will move the water out to the edge of the slab and away from the house. I'm guessing the trees are a park? (council?) Get an inspector to do a dilapidation report of the side angled external wall. It will cost about $2-3k. Don't go shopping for a cheap inspector aka a builder/chippy that now looks at houses and charges $600-$800 with photos. They mostly have no idea unless a defect falls on them or they fall over one. (yes my rant) Keep the report and monitor the side wall for 6 months see if it is getting worse, if you approach the council/owner and ask them how they are going to fix there trees problem. Around the door, just get some quad or DAR and fix it around the door jambs to make the home weatherproof. Hope this helps Craig WOW you are spot on. Those trees are on council land and have already caused significant problems. A few years ago the builder had to come back and install a root barrier on the path beside the property to prevent further damage. Re: What is an allowable amount of movement? 10Apr 23, 2024 6:25 pm Pedro4137 How will you determine if tree roots causing problem Floor levels , footing probes and boreholes with moisture or suction samples. Are they stumps or screw piles ? How much fill is there, is the site a class "P" ? A "H2" site is not supposed to have stumps it is supposed to have grid beams according… 1 8141 House movement is always a potential problem and there is a cause. Yes you should have it inspected by a competent and experienced building consultant 2 9541 Ground movement due to stormwater discharge from disconnected downpipe in combination of lack of isolation joints between the external pavement and building. This is from… 2 1846 |